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Hillary totally into UFO's and stuff (1 Viewer)

There was a rumor in the 90s that this was going to be a Clinton defense.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Clinton was going to claim Lewinsky was an alien and he did not in fact commit perjury.

His advisors decided it would cause more damage to his credibility and thus did not use this defense.

 
There was a rumor in the 90s that this was going to be a Clinton defense.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Clinton was going to claim Lewinsky was an alien and he did not in fact commit perjury.

His advisors decided it would cause more damage to his credibility and thus did not use this defense.
24hr FFA ban for this one

 
timschochet said:
She's a ####### nutcase all right?
If she were a Republican you would've started the thread about it.
What exactly is wacky about the possibility we've been visited by aliens?

This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky. I find aliens far more probable.

 
timschochet said:
She's a ####### nutcase all right?
If she were a Republican you would've started the thread about it.
What exactly is wacky about the possibility we've been visited by aliens?This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky. I find aliens far more probable.
It's implausible for reasons we have discussed before. Distance alone is a huge barrier. Not to mention it is only the 80-90 years we've been giving off any signal data to indicate there might be sentient life here. Unlikely that those signals have reached anyone. There is no reason to come to what appears to be a fairly common system in a distant part of a fairly common galaxy. Why would any civilizations expend the resources necessary to come here?

 
timschochet said:
She's a ####### nutcase all right?
If she were a Republican you would've started the thread about it.
What exactly is wacky about the possibility we've been visited by aliens?This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky. I find aliens far more probable.
It's implausible for reasons we have discussed before. Distance alone is a huge barrier. Not to mention it is only the 80-90 years we've been giving off any signal data to indicate there might be sentient life here. Unlikely that those signals have reached anyone. There is no reason to come to what appears to be a fairly common system in a distant part of a fairly common galaxy. Why would any civilizations expend the resources necessary to come here?
Distance from what? Might not some aliens be omnipresent? Why would aliens need to receive signals from us to know we're here? Might not some aliens be omniscient? No reason to come to earth in whose opinion? Might not some aliens take interest in us because they are omnibenevolent?

If you can rule out all of those possibilities, it seems that you've ruled out God as well.

I think cstu's statement is provably correct as a matter of statistical law. The set of all possible aliens includes God. It necessarily follows that the chance that we've been visited by aliens is at least as great as the chance that we've been visited by God.

 
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timschochet said:
She's a ####### nutcase all right?
If she were a Republican you would've started the thread about it.
What exactly is wacky about the possibility we've been visited by aliens?This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky. I find aliens far more probable.
It's implausible for reasons we have discussed before. Distance alone is a huge barrier. Not to mention it is only the 80-90 years we've been giving off any signal data to indicate there might be sentient life here. Unlikely that those signals have reached anyone. There is no reason to come to what appears to be a fairly common system in a distant part of a fairly common galaxy. Why would any civilizations expend the resources necessary to come here?
Distance from what? Might not some aliens be omnipresent? Why would aliens need to receive signals from us to know we're here? Might not some aliens be omniscient? No reason to come to earth in whose opinion? Might not some aliens take interest in us because they are omnibenevolent?

If you can rule out all of those possibilities, it seems that you've ruled out God as well.

I think cstu's statement is provably correct as a matter of statistical law. The set of all possible aliens includes God. It necessarily follows that the chance that we've been visited by aliens is at least as great as the chance that we've been visited by God.
Given that God would make the universe infinitely more complex I find him or her as implausible as I would any theorized omnipresent or omniscient alien visitation.

And while we believe FTL travel is theoretically possible the resources it would require are pretty intense. You need a lot more than what the heck as a reason to use them.

 
And while we believe FTL travel is theoretically possible the resources it would require are pretty intense. You need a lot more than what the heck as a reason to use them.
I don't think it's theoretically possible for rocket ships (not only because the energy requirements would be too great even if we harnessed controlled fusion or antimatter fuel, but also due to drag -- space isn't literally a vacuum; you'll find an atom or two every few cubic centimeters). But "theoretically possible" is too limiting. Who needs theory when miracles are on the table? After all, no Christian posits that Yahweh got here in a rocket ship. So I think cstu's point still stands.

 
comfortably numb said:
There was a rumor in the 90s that this was going to be a Clinton defense.

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Clinton was going to claim Lewinsky was an alien and he did not in fact commit perjury.

His advisors decided it would cause more damage to his credibility and thus did not use this defense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rS0O7UKH4Y

I wonder how many times the Clintons will see this on a TV during the campaign. Would Bill move back into the White House or would he stay in New York or wherever he lives? Assuming he would, the question is going to get asked more than a few times...all that free time as the 1st Gentleman of the United States, he might bag an intern a week with that kind of freedom.

I'm looking forward to Bill guided tours for us citizens

"And over here folks, let me show you where I did that cigar stunt"

 
And while we believe FTL travel is theoretically possible the resources it would require are pretty intense. You need a lot more than what the heck as a reason to use them.
I don't think it's theoretically possible for rocket ships (not only because the energy requirements would be too great even if we harnessed controlled fusion or antimatter fuel, but also due to drag -- space isn't literally a vacuum; you'll find an atom or two every few cubic centimeters). But "theoretically possible" is too limiting. Who needs theory when miracles are on the table? After all, no Christian posits that Yahweh got here in a rocket ship. So I think cstu's point still stands.
I have to disagree. I think there are some very interesting ideas out there on how to do it. And your narrow definition of God using only the Christian version doesn't take into account Xenu for example. He used spaceships to get here. Or the Aztecs whose pictographs suggest their dieties used some kind of ship. Heck even the Bible talks about an obvious space ship in Ezekiel. So I find your whole God component unconvincing.

 
And while we believe FTL travel is theoretically possible the resources it would require are pretty intense. You need a lot more than what the heck as a reason to use them.
I don't think it's theoretically possible for rocket ships (not only because the energy requirements would be too great even if we harnessed controlled fusion or antimatter fuel, but also due to drag -- space isn't literally a vacuum; you'll find an atom or two every few cubic centimeters). But "theoretically possible" is too limiting. Who needs theory when miracles are on the table? After all, no Christian posits that Yahweh got here in a rocket ship. So I think cstu's point still stands.
I have to disagree. I think there are some very interesting ideas out there on how to do it. And your narrow definition of God using only the Christian version doesn't take into account Xenu for example. He used spaceships to get here. Or the Aztecs whose pictographs suggest their dieties used some kind of ship. Heck even the Bible talks about an obvious space ship in Ezekiel. So I find your whole God component unconvincing.
cstu wrote: "This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky." I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about Xenu.

 
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And while we believe FTL travel is theoretically possible the resources it would require are pretty intense. You need a lot more than what the heck as a reason to use them.
I don't think it's theoretically possible for rocket ships (not only because the energy requirements would be too great even if we harnessed controlled fusion or antimatter fuel, but also due to drag -- space isn't literally a vacuum; you'll find an atom or two every few cubic centimeters). But "theoretically possible" is too limiting. Who needs theory when miracles are on the table? After all, no Christian posits that Yahweh got here in a rocket ship. So I think cstu's point still stands.
I have to disagree. I think there are some very interesting ideas out there on how to do it. And your narrow definition of God using only the Christian version doesn't take into account Xenu for example. He used spaceships to get here. Or the Aztecs whose pictographs suggest their dieties used some kind of ship. Heck even the Bible talks about an obvious space ship in Ezekiel. So I find your whole God component unconvincing.
cstu wrote: "This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky." I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about Xenu.
Fairy tales are fairy tales.

 
Anyway, Hillary was agnostic on the subject:

We don’t know for sure
But she thinks we have been visited. One who believes is not agnostic or doesn't pretend to be. But leave it to Hillary to claim both agnosticism and faith in the same breath.
To be fair that is an OK position on the subject. That is why I have used the word implausible not impossible. We have to allow that there is a slightly greater than zero chance that we have been visited if we are being objective.

 
Anyway, Hillary was agnostic on the subject:

We don’t know for sure
But she thinks we have been visited. One who believes is not agnostic or doesn't pretend to be. But leave it to Hillary to claim both agnosticism and faith in the same breath.
To be fair that is an OK position on the subject. That is why I have used the word implausible not impossible. We have to allow that there is a slightly greater than zero chance that we have been visited if we are being objective.
Fair enough, she did say "may have been." Not "have been."

 
timschochet said:
She's a ####### nutcase all right?
If she were a Republican you would've started the thread about it.
What exactly is wacky about the possibility we've been visited by aliens?

This is a country where 87% of the people believe there's a...wait for it...an invisible man in the sky. I find aliens far more probable.
You make a fair point, except Christians don't believe that God is invisible nor do they believe that he lives in the sky.

 

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