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Bracie Smathers
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One obvious aspect that has to be pointed out is that the game last night was played in monsoon-like conditions and the field was sloppy so a big back, like Hillis, would have a big advantage when paired with a fullback like Laurence Vickers as his lead blocker so take that into consideration. Also the other obvious factor is that rookie RB Monterio Hardesty sat out lastnight's game and he hasn't gotten his shot to prove what he can do in a real game setting but Peyton is getting rave reviews.Some reports on Peyton's nice night for those who may have missed it, go to links for full stories:
Peyton's nice night- 1st story
Peyton's nice night - 2nd story
On one rush, he carried six or seven Rams on his back for nine yards.Mangini ---(On the spark Peyton Hillis brought)- “Oh yeah, definitely. He’s known for running over guys. Peyton is a tough back to bring down. We had great blocking up front. That’s one thing that (Coach) Mangini emphasizes with running the ball. Run the football effectively, it’s showing things we’re trying to work on during these preseason games. Last week was something else, this week was running the ball.”
Hillis has been most impressive catching the ball out of the backfield.
Last week, in the Browns first preseason game, he caught three balls for (I think) 34 yards. Last year the Browns QBs were horrible leading backs coming out of the backfield preventing any shot for respectable RAC (Run After Catch) yardage.
Harrison appears to be the starter and I anticipate Hardesty will be the number-two RB but that Hillis will play an important role catching the ball out of the backfield and possibly nudge his way into more PT if he has another solid night as he did last night.
I do think that the conditions played a factor in his big night but the Browns OC, Ryan Daboll, probably took note and Hillis might be used more in adverse weather condititions as they present themselves during the year and Cleveland is known to have incliment weather later in the year so he's a guy that could get a shot and he seems to take advantage of his opportunities so...
MAC_32
Footballguy
He's been buzzed about all camp, he is not behind Hardesty - right now he's the #2.
daveR
Footballguy
When he's healthy, Hardesty will be ahead of him.
Rovers
Footballguy
Hillis surely looked like Mike Alstott plus 2. Maybe a hair less power, but a whole lot quicker. Hillis would be on my radar, but Mangini, as far as I am concerned, is not a coach who puts his best players on the field all the time. His playing time decisions have often confounded me. One thing Hillis has going for him is that Holgren and Mangini traded for him. If not for that, I don't think Hillis would ever see the field in a regular season game. Mangigni, while a D coach, has never made a FB an important part of the O, outside of the blocking role. I was near shocked to see Hillis lined up at tail back at all.
Csonka4life
Footballguy
He lined up and excelled as a tailback in Denver. I still maintain he is a better back than Moreno.
Chaka
Footballguy
Maybe but I don't think Hardesty is such a special talent to make that statement a guarantee. One thing about Hillis is that he seems to always produce when he gets the opportunity, if he holds up physically there is every reason to think he could hold onto the #2 spot.
Coaches don't generally like to give starting spots to rooks but a backup spot, that's different. For backups, one of the often over-looked things is their number of reps in practice and coaches are going to lean the rooks way in that regard. Aside from injury, I would imagine Hardesty has to fail and/or inclement weather comes to town for Hillis to get the nod here over Hardesty.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
BIG OL' 
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Peyton Hillis has lead the Browns in rushing and receiving this preseason.He's working with the starters.BIG OL'
And he is now being tauted as a possible starter.
Peyton Hillis possible starting tailback
Jerome Harrison has had a recent issue with fumbles in the last two preseason games. Harrison had trouble gaining the confidence of the last two coaching staffs and even after he stepped up at the end of last year the Browns traded for Peyton Hillis and they also traded back up into the bottom of the second round for Monterio Hardesty so the staff probably wasn't/isn't 100% sold on Harrison as the uncontested feature back. If anything the plan was to cut down or split some of his carries.Hardesty missed his entire rookie training camp and he has missed the first three preseason games.
I don't see how he could possibly have demonstrated the vital ability to pick up the blitz without getting that crucial work.
The plan by Brown's OC Ryan Daboll was to use Hillis as a third-down pass catching RB but when he also the primary back in jumbo goal-line packages but then when he got the opportunity to shine as the feature back he produced better than anyone anticipated.
Their is a thread about Kareem Huggins and he had 3 carries for a minus two yards in his last preseason game and their are zero stories about him working with the starters and yet we hear virtually nothing about Peyton Hillis.
Peyton Hillis has already sown up the third down an goal line roles in the Browns offense and he's making serious noise about getting more time as the feature back. Oh and he's 6'2 235lbs and only 24 years old. If Toby Gerhart or Monterio Hardesty or even Kareem Huggins had as solid of a preseaon and had already locked up third down pass catching and goal line roles and were contending to start the pool would be in a feeding frenzy.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
You have to expect Hillis to, at the very least get all the carries inside the 10. Then again, Mangini is not brightest bulb...
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Hillis is just like the other 2 guys that come from the Arkansas backfield in that he can't stay healthy. He should be as effective as anyone Cleveland has when he is though.
5 digit know nothing
Footballguy
Any reason this guy is missing from FBG's VBD Excel sheet?
AngryGorilla
Footballguy
just because I didn't see it mentioned...Harrison has 3 preseason fumbles. How is Hillis not their best back at the moment?
tombonneau
Footballguy
Peyton Hillis has lead the Browns in rushing and receiving this preseason.He's working with the starters.BIG OL'
And he is now being tauted as a possible starter.
Peyton Hillis possible starting tailback
Jerome Harrison has had a recent issue with fumbles in the last two preseason games. Harrison had trouble gaining the confidence of the last two coaching staffs and even after he stepped up at the end of last year the Browns traded for Peyton Hillis and they also traded back up into the bottom of the second round for Monterio Hardesty so the staff probably wasn't/isn't 100% sold on Harrison as the uncontested feature back. If anything the plan was to cut down or split some of his carries.Hardesty missed his entire rookie training camp and he has missed the first three preseason games.
I don't see how he could possibly have demonstrated the vital ability to pick up the blitz without getting that crucial work.
The plan by Brown's OC Ryan Daboll was to use Hillis as a third-down pass catching RB but when he also the primary back in jumbo goal-line packages but then when he got the opportunity to shine as the feature back he produced better than anyone anticipated.
Their is a thread about Kareem Huggins and he had 3 carries for a minus two yards in his last preseason game and their are zero stories about him working with the starters and yet we hear virtually nothing about Peyton
Peyton Hillis has already sown up the third down an goal line roles in the Browns offense and he's making serious noise about getting more time as the feature back. Oh and he's 6'2 235lbs and only 24 years old. If Toby Gerhart or Monterio Hardesty or even Kareem Huggins had as solid of a preseaon and had already locked up third down pass catching and goal line roles and were contending to start the pool would be in a feeding frenzy.
You're spot on in that if this were Huggins or Hardesty everyone would be going mental. Tough to get too jazzed about that offense, but might try to make room for the guy. Worth a shot. If only to out snake the Browns homer in my league.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Good point yet the Bucs offense is even less exciting and I think the Huggins thread has gone into orbit.One of the biggest knocks on the Browns offense is that people are down on Jake Delhomme and if you only look at the last part of his Carolina career you would be justified in being down on the guy but check out what he'd done with the Browns so far.In three preseason games, Delhomme has completed 38 of 48 attempts for a 79% completion percentage.He's thrown for 345 yards, 2 touchdown passes and no interceptions, for an overall passer rating of 110.5.Not too shabby.And he's done that with Jerome Harrison only averaging 3.1 yards per carry this preason and with a very conservative offense that has only attempted two deep balls of over 20 yards all preseason. The Browns offense is humming and they have done this without showing a deep threat to back up the safeties, with their primary rusher struggling with fumbles and hoovering around the 3 ypc mark, and without unleashing the Wildcat package. Peyton Hillis has been installed in the third down package and the jumbo/goal-line package. Ryan Daboll has been using zone blocking which works well with Hillis' running style and I think that he will see more work than people believe and that he will be effective especially with 250lb Pro Bowl FB Laurence Vickers clearing the path for him. He's really been effective and he's also been under the radar of many who are looking for a viable RB option.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I kept him for a 16th rounder in one league and drafted him for $1 in a $250-cap auction league. Why the heck not?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
ESPN is asking whether or not Peyton Hillis should start the opener for the Browns.
ESPN ... Should Hillis start the opener?
I think he'll get used a lot but Monterio is getting his very first look tonight so his performance could impact how much Peyton Hilliis is used by the Browns.
ESPN ... Should Hillis start the opener?
Tonight Monterio Hardesty gets his shot.If Hardesty doesn't impress then their would be more validity in asking whether or not Peyton Hillis should start for the Browns.
I think he'll get used a lot but Monterio is getting his very first look tonight so his performance could impact how much Peyton Hilliis is used by the Browns.
