Hoarding players at a position (1 Viewer)

[SofaCoach]

14 team redraft league, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1Def. 15 man rosters.

I waited on QB's at the draft and took Favre and Roethlisberger fairly late. I picked up Bradford for Favre's week 4 bye. I would have probably cut Bradford (or Favre) the following week except for the following:

One of my main rivals (and best friend) chose to only draft 1 QB (Flacco). He used the extra roster space for high-upside flyers with the idea of picking up a free agent QB for Flaccos bye week which is week 8. I play this team in week 8. In this 14 team league the waiver wire is pretty thin. That's why I didn't want to let him get Favre or Bradford to use against me. He tried to get Kitna but another owner had earlier rights on the wire, so he settled for Henne. Here's where it gets dicey; another team dropped Stafford last night. I quickly picked him up, not because I needed a 4th QB, but to keep my buddy from getting him and using him against me.

The devil on one shoulder is high-fiving me for shafting my rival, while the angel on the other shoulder is shaming me for screwing my best friend. Of course it could backfire on me and Henne could go off this week.

I really think this is good strategy and gamesmanship. He took the risk by only rostering 1 QB, and gained advantage by having room on his roster for guys like Blount who's starting to pay off or Britt who someone dropped a few weeks ago.

What do you guys think?

 

[Concept Coop]

I think you have to make that move, and expect that he would do the same. As you said, you didn't dictate that he could only roster one QB; he did that to himself.

And you are not screwing anybody over. You are playing a game and trying to win, within the rules.

 

[comfortably numb]

14 team redraft league, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1Def. 15 man rosters.

I waited on QB's at the draft and took Favre and Roethlisberger fairly late. I picked up Bradford for Favre's week 4 bye. I would have probably cut Bradford (or Favre) the following week except for the following:

One of my main rivals (and best friend) chose to only draft 1 QB (Flacco). He used the extra roster space for high-upside flyers with the idea of picking up a free agent QB for Flaccos bye week which is week 8. I play this team in week 8. In this 14 team league the waiver wire is pretty thin. That's why I didn't want to let him get Favre or Bradford to use against me. He tried to get Kitna but another owner had earlier rights on the wire, so he settled for Henne. Here's where it gets dicey; another team dropped Stafford last night. I quickly picked him up, not because I needed a 4th QB, but to keep my buddy from getting him and using him against me.

The devil on one shoulder is high-fiving me for shafting my rival, while the angel on the other shoulder is shaming me for screwing my best friend. Of course it could backfire on me and Henne could go off this week.

I really think this is good strategy and gamesmanship. He took the risk by only rostering 1 QB, and gained advantage by having room on his roster for guys like Blount who's starting to pay off or Britt who someone dropped a few weeks ago.

What do you guys think?

Of course it is.Not like your picking up and dropping, just to lock a player.

You will be rostering the player you pick up and adding potential value to your team

 

[PolishNorbi]

It seems like no waiver time? If there was drop favre for stafford. You still only have 3 qbs, and favre will be claimed afterwards.

 

[LittlePhatty]

This has been discussed in the past if you search.

It is simple though - every team in your league has the same roster size limits. If you "hoard" at one position you have to drop other players to the wire. And every team has the same ability to pick up players or make waiver claims. In my view, anything within the limits of your league's rules is absolutely fair game.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Absolutely brilliant move. Never bush league *as long as* it is logical. For instance, hoarding RBs always makes sense. Hoarding QBs doesn't make sense in a 10-team league where they get 4 point passing TDs.

I love to hoard RBs and it always pays off.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I would do the same thing if I had the room on my bench. In fact this week I tried to put Blount on my team in case my buddy forgot to try for him on waivers. I play him this week, but he remembered to put his waiver bid in and he won him. Good for him, as he was on the ball, but if he hadn't been I would have scooped a RB from him - and I had room for Blount on my bench.

 

[Doug B]

Not like your picking up and dropping, just to lock a player.

You will be rostering the player you pick up and adding potential value to your team

Also, the OP (presumably) takes on some risk by being without the player who was cut to pick up Stafford.

 

[gandalas]

Not so sure that I would start Stafford over Henne this week anyway. Stafford is in his first game back, and Henne is against the Patriots, who have given up some passing yards this season.

If I were you, I would have dropped Favre and HOPED that he would have grabbed him over Henne. I would much rather face a team starting Favre this week than Henne...

 

[The_Fonz]

Last week I picked up Todd Heap. Dropped him to waivers on Sunday because I was going to be away from my computer and wasn't sure if Gates would be playing the late game. Sunday I dropped him for a late game replacement so if gates was a no-go I could still keep him in and swap out at the last minute. While I felt stupid for dropping heap, i kept another owner from his huge numbers last week...part of the game as far as I am concerned.

 

[Jayrod]

Pick up and drop to set the waiver clock back is bush. Everything else is cool, IMO.

In my dynasty league I've had 3 QB's all year due to uncertainty of who would emerge as a viable starter (Cutler, Kolb & Stafford). I then added Cassel last week because my opponent didn't have an active QB and I wasn't sure Stafford would be back this week. Well, he picked up Matt Moore who put up over 20 pts. I still won, though.

 

[SwampDawg]

All part of the gamesmanship although to do it I have to feel like I'm not hurting my team along the way, 15 man rosters and you hold 4 QB's to keep him from getting Bradford coming off an Injury and force the play of Henne...if you cut anyone you could use as a bye week filler that then got grabbed up I don't like it.

 

[dagwood]

No worries. Your buddy will fine.

Henne will do ok this week.

 

[Nemesis]

Let me guess.....your waiver wire order is set up for "worst to first" priority?

This is why I hate Waiver wires like that............Blind Bid makes it more interesting.......Blocking moves like you did would cost you $$.

Now.....with that said......I don't see anything wrong with what you've done.......and I would have done the same.

 

[footballnerd]

I think you have to do "scratch and claw" moves like this because if you can hold 4 QBs on your team, the rest of your squad is not very deep.

 

[massraider]

Heck, you should be picking up Stafford anyway. Top 10 numbers rest of the year, I think.

 

[Da Guru]

14 team redraft league, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1Def. 15 man rosters.

I waited on QB's at the draft and took Favre and Roethlisberger fairly late. I picked up Bradford for Favre's week 4 bye. I would have probably cut Bradford (or Favre) the following week except for the following:

One of my main rivals (and best friend) chose to only draft 1 QB (Flacco). He used the extra roster space for high-upside flyers with the idea of picking up a free agent QB for Flaccos bye week which is week 8. I play this team in week 8. In this 14 team league the waiver wire is pretty thin. That's why I didn't want to let him get Favre or Bradford to use against me. He tried to get Kitna but another owner had earlier rights on the wire, so he settled for Henne. Here's where it gets dicey; another team dropped Stafford last night. I quickly picked him up, not because I needed a 4th QB, but to keep my buddy from getting him and using him against me.

The devil on one shoulder is high-fiving me for shafting my rival, while the angel on the other shoulder is shaming me for screwing my best friend. Of course it could backfire on me and Henne could go off this week.

I really think this is good strategy and gamesmanship. He took the risk by only rostering 1 QB, and gained advantage by having room on his roster for guys like Blount who's starting to pay off or Britt who someone dropped a few weeks ago.

What do you guys think?

Hello.......You play to win the game.

 

[Novice2]

You should have let him get Stafford. Henne is gonna kill you.

 

[solorca]

I wouldn't make the move, because I know my luck...and I would be guaranteeing that Henne would go off and Stafford would have a bad game.

 

[thriftyrocker]

I drafted Gates and Dallas Clark in a 1TE league. When Keller broke out, I was like "should I block people by adding him." I did. Then Clark got hurt. Now I'm glad I have Keller.

 

[Resident A]

I'd rather face Stafford this week than Henne.

But hoarding QBs is fair game.

 

[Angry Beavers]

Fair move.. besides.. who is to say you can't move a QB for another part you need?

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

If it's within the rules and your power to do so, why not? You're of course taking your own risks by dropping talent to make roster space, but you play every advantage the rules give you.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I realize part of your post might be to get a pat on the back for your move, but I agree with the above poster that the real shark move here would have been to drop Favre and roster both Stafford and Henne....

Karma is a ##### and Henne will probably go nuts while Favre sits out his first game in 19 years or some ####.......

you left a crack in the door that you could have slammed shut.........

 

[The_U]

All is fair in love and war, my good board mate.

That said, I'd rather face a guy who's been off for the better part of 7+ weeks than Chad Henne who I actually think is a fairly solid FF QB2.

Sometimes the best move to make is no move at all...

ETA: I agree that cutting Favre was probably the move to make as others have mentioned.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

after I posted I started thinking how the heck was Henne even available......?

14 team league

no "flex" starter

I realize it's only 15 man rosters, but if Henne was available, there has to still be a bunch of other guys out there to get..........Fitz, Freeman, Hasselbeck, etc.....?

 

[BoltBacker]

Pick up and drop to set the waiver clock back is bush. Everything else is cool, IMO.

I agree. Locking out guys that are dropped is just a problem in the rules. If there's such a shortage at any particular position that someone CAN hoard the position then the position is at such a premium that the hoarder is simply being smart by making sure he's not the guy trying to sift through the waiver wire in case of injuries.

 

[2Squirrels1Nut]

Pick up and drop to set the waiver clock back is bush. Everything else is cool, IMO.

I agree. Locking out guys that are dropped is just a problem in the rules. If there's such a shortage at any particular position that someone CAN hoard the position then the position is at such a premium that the hoarder is simply being smart by making sure he's not the guy trying to sift through the waiver wire in case of injuries.

Your league rules should prohibit that.

 

[Kuz]

Of course it's fine. I have Brees & Ryan in one league & play my buddy who just lost Romo. I didn't need a QB but put a claim in on Kitna so he couldn't grab him.

 

[ponchsox]

A team in my league grabbed Kitna off the ww to prevent the team with Romo to get a QB. He now owns 4 QB in a 1 QB league (Favre, Bradford, McNabb, and Kitna). The team who lost Romo is now stuck with Gradkowski at QB and was a playoff contender. Bush league or smart? I think its a good move strategically. You may not make many friends this way.

 

[BoltBacker]

A team in my league grabbed Kitna off the ww to prevent the team with Romo to get a QB. He now owns 4 QB in a 1 QB league (Favre, Bradford, McNabb, and Kitna). The team who lost Romo is now stuck with Gradkowski at QB and was a playoff contender. Bush league or smart? I think its a good move strategically. You may not make many friends this way.

I vote © Neither. It's dumb for the team with Romo to have no backup and to blame others for his lack of foresight is even more dumb. Maybe the team with Romo and no backup QB was hoarding RB or TE or something else. That's his choice but I don't feel any pity for him when it comes back to bite him.

 

[Go deep]

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Last year i was in an online league with strangers and i did something similar, but worse.

After waivers bids cleared on Wednesday it was FCFS. My opponent that week only had 1 QB and he was on a bye. There were only 4 QB's available that were going to be starting that week avaiable on the waiver wire. The rules also stated after a player has been picked up and dropped, he had to wait until the following weeks waivers to be claimed. Im sure you all knew what happened next.

 

[amphibianbri]

LOL. I need a defense this week and an owner in my league is cycling picking up D's to try and snake me. He's cycled through 4 already and has 4 on his roster, then even has the guts to try and get me to trade Mike Williams for one. He's just putting more $$ in the pot, so it doesn't bother me. If he gets through all of them, I'll take the fine for the 0 or I'll overpay a different owner a bit to get one. What a dope!

 

[qimqam]

That strategy always backfires

When Henne throws for 200 plus and 2-3 tds you will have wasted roster space for weeks and you could have picked a player that could have been useful to you.

 

[SofaCoach]

Karma is a ##### and Henne will probably go nuts

Yes, I think that is probably the case.

if Henne was available, there has to still be a bunch of other guys out there to get..........Fitz, Freeman, Hasselbeck, etc.....?

He is stuck with Henne because he is the best of whats left. Fitz and Hass are taken. Others available are Freeman, Max Hall, Moore, McCoy. Yes, there are no shortages of opinions as to who will have the better week between Stafford, Favre, Henne, Bradford or those others available. The original post was more about the fact that I KNEW he would want Stafford and and I took him just to screw him. And he is kinda miffed.

 

[esuolb]

That strategy always backfiresWhen Henne throws for 200 plus and 2-3 tds you will have wasted roster space for weeks and you could have picked a player that could have been useful to you.

I think Henne will do fine for your rival lol

 

[road warrior]

It's a perfectly fine move. Hope he doesn't owe you any money.

 

[Judge Smails]

14 team redraft league, start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 1K, 1Def. 15 man rosters.

I waited on QB's at the draft and took Favre and Roethlisberger fairly late. I picked up Bradford for Favre's week 4 bye. I would have probably cut Bradford (or Favre) the following week except for the following:

One of my main rivals (and best friend) chose to only draft 1 QB (Flacco). He used the extra roster space for high-upside flyers with the idea of picking up a free agent QB for Flaccos bye week which is week 8. I play this team in week 8. In this 14 team league the waiver wire is pretty thin. That's why I didn't want to let him get Favre or Bradford to use against me. He tried to get Kitna but another owner had earlier rights on the wire, so he settled for Henne. Here's where it gets dicey; another team dropped Stafford last night. I quickly picked him up, not because I needed a 4th QB, but to keep my buddy from getting him and using him against me.

The devil on one shoulder is high-fiving me for shafting my rival, while the angel on the other shoulder is shaming me for screwing my best friend. Of course it could backfire on me and Henne could go off this week.

I really think this is good strategy and gamesmanship. He took the risk by only rostering 1 QB, and gained advantage by having room on his roster for guys like Blount who's starting to pay off or Britt who someone dropped a few weeks ago.

What do you guys think?

Totally legit. I've picked up second defenses a week early so the guy I'm playing 2 weeks from now can't pick them up and play them against me. Each person is responsible for managing their available roster slots to give them the best chance to win. Sometimes, playing keepaway is a great way to do that.

 

[emge]

No worries. Your buddy will fine.Henne will do ok this week.

Actually Henne is a top 10 QB this week, you are only hurting yourself there...Ben > Henne > Stafford > Favre > Bradford

 

[Mello]

Nothing unethical about the strategy. It's not good one though. Guy should be fine with Henne. On average, the guy with 1 QB who has used all of his available roster spots to improve his squad throughout the year will be better off than the guy who's hoarding QBs for week 8. This is the type of strategy I would only try in a league where a position is extremely thin, like a 2 QB league.