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[Raider Nation]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

I was just thinking about how bad she is. The scene where she tells her dad she is going home was laughable.

BUT SHE WON AN EMMY!!!

 

[Apple Jack]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

 

[Apple Jack]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

I was just thinking about how bad she is. The scene where she tells her dad she is going home was laughable.

This. But again, I don't think it's her fault. I think that's how she's being directed to play it.

 

[Marvin]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

I was just thinking about how bad she is. The scene where she tells her dad she is going home was laughable.

This. But again, I don't think it's her fault. I think that's how she's being directed to play it.

It's also something I just don't think she can help. Something about her voice and how it cracks/warbles makes it hard to take her seriously.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

 

[Apple Jack]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

 

[identikit]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

A person with bipolar disorder being current on their medication doesn't guarantee rational behavior and consistently good choices.

 

[Marvin]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

 

[Wrighteous Ray]

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

Is she supposed to be an analytical genius? I never got that impression.

 

[jonboltz]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

Yah...that is bipolar.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Wonder if Carrie will do any nooded scenes? Bipolar or not I wanna see those wanna be B cups.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

I hate the daughter. Always has the same expression on her face... like she just found a pile of dog #### in her bed.

Perhaps you could introduce her to Walt Jr.

Perfect

 

[biggamer3]

not sure how reliable this is, but a report that Damien Lewis signed on for FIVE more seasons.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2216439/DAN-WOOTTON-Five-year-run-Damian-Lewis-Homeland.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

 

[biggamer3]

reading another thread, some good chatter about Brody video.

One guy said Brody could possibly explain away the video as something he was coerced to do while under captivity. But someone countered that with the fact that in the video Brody displayed an E7 Gunnery Sgt and when he was captured he was only an E5 Sgt

 

[pollardsvision]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episodes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

 

[biggamer3]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episodes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

 

[comfortably numb]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episodes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

A phone number he used to save his life with.It was a bit of a stretch to have him go out there to pick him up, but they did touch on that saying the tailor knew Brody and would be more likely to cooperate. Which didn't really happen as dude tried to kill Brody, assuming he feared he was gonna get killed at this safe house.

They probably also wanted to create more friction between his wife and him being inexplicably gone for hours did just that.

 

[biggamer3]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episodes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

A phone number he used to save his life with.It was a bit of a stretch to have him go out there to pick him up, but they did touch on that saying the tailor knew Brody and would be more likely to cooperate. Which didn't really happen as dude tried to kill Brody, assuming he feared he was gonna get killed at this safe house.

They probably also wanted to create more friction between his wife and him being inexplicably gone for hours did just that.

we will never know what was at the safe house but if they did intend to kill the tailor as he suspected there was no point in sending Brody out to take him there, they could have sent a goon to take him out at his shop

 

[comfortably numb]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episodes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

A phone number he used to save his life with.It was a bit of a stretch to have him go out there to pick him up, but they did touch on that saying the tailor knew Brody and would be more likely to cooperate. Which didn't really happen as dude tried to kill Brody, assuming he feared he was gonna get killed at this safe house.

They probably also wanted to create more friction between his wife and him being inexplicably gone for hours did just that.

we will never know what was at the safe house but if they did intend to kill the tailor as he suspected there was no point in sending Brody out to take him there, they could have sent a goon to take him out at his shop

Possible.He definitely feared for his life upon seeing Brody seemingly arguing on the phone with someone.

Perhaps he feared they would want to bring him in, interrogate him to see if he has talked to anyone?

Either way, he seemed like he didn't trust the whole safe house bit

 

[pollardsvision]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

 

[comfortably numb]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

You don't see value if let's say Joe Bidden was a direct informant for Osama Bin Laden?

 

[El Floppo]

So amidat all of that, nobody else laughed at the coincidence of falling dpwn in a forest onto a metal apike?

 

[pollardsvision]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

You don't see value if let's say Joe Bidden was a direct informant for Osama Bin Laden?

Not if the CIA knows about it.

 

[Billy Bats]

So amidat all of that, nobody else laughed at the coincidence of falling dpwn in a forest onto a metal apike?

That's the least of our issues! . When I first seen blood I thought they were being followed and he was shot, then it was oh, just a stump.

 

[biggamer3]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

I guess they might be going down Brody vs Nazir and Brody turns to the CIA before they come to him, but once he has lost contact with Nazir he is useless to them. A Cheesy way to have Brody not be arrested is if the shady VP finds out about his potential running mate being a terrorist and knows that means he is a dead duck in the election so he orders the CIA to stand clear of Brody until after election.

Just spitballing here, what crimes has Brody actually committed so far? He killed the sniper dude last season, he sent classified information from the CIA safe and the text tipoff. What else am i missing?

Assuming they cant get him on the murder charge and Nazir ceases communication with him, all they could get him on is the text message at this point.

 

[shadyridr]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

I guess they might be going down Brody vs Nazir and Brody turns to the CIA before they come to him, but once he has lost contact with Nazir he is useless to them. A Cheesy way to have Brody not be arrested is if the shady VP finds out about his potential running mate being a terrorist and knows that means he is a dead duck in the election so he orders the CIA to stand clear of Brody until after election.

Just spitballing here, what crimes has Brody actually committed so far? He killed the sniper dude last season, he sent classified information from the CIA safe and the text tipoff. What else am i missing?

Assuming they cant get him on the murder charge and Nazir ceases communication with him, all they could get him on is the text message at this point.

ummm treason

 

[pollardsvision]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

I guess they might be going down Brody vs Nazir and Brody turns to the CIA before they come to him, but once he has lost contact with Nazir he is useless to them. A Cheesy way to have Brody not be arrested is if the shady VP finds out about his potential running mate being a terrorist and knows that means he is a dead duck in the election so he orders the CIA to stand clear of Brody until after election.

Just spitballing here, what crimes has Brody actually committed so far? He killed the sniper dude last season, he sent classified information from the CIA safe and the text tipoff. What else am i missing?

Assuming they cant get him on the murder charge and Nazir ceases communication with him, all they could get him on is the text message at this point.

He stole the CIA's intel on Nazir's target cities out of Estes' safe and he just killed the tailor.He's an accomplice or conspirator or something in the murder of the lady Walker killed to get Brody inside the building.

I can't recall anything else.

 

[El Floppo]

So amidat all of that, nobody else laughed at the coincidence of falling dpwn in a forest onto a metal apike?

That's the least of our issues! . When I first seen blood I thought they were being followed and he was shot, then it was oh, just a stump.

A stump made of metal. In the middle of the forest. Right where Brody tackles the tailor.Also- honey... when are you going to get here?

- durka durka

- shhhhhhhhhh

- what? what is that?

... hmmmm- can't tell my wife I need to call her right back or walk away somewhere behind a tree... guess I'm only really left with the option of killing this guy to shut him up.

 

[El Floppo]

I give them a pass on this episode. Seemed like filler and the Brody/tailor thing was terrible, but they just had 2 fantastic episoydes to start the season. They had to let up a little.

There's also still the possibility that the Brody/tailor thing was because Nazir is trying to kill Brody, and will try again. I kind of think that's most likely path. Brody's exposed. Nazir knows. I'm not sure there is another option.

That might also be the best path to save the show. As awesome as it was they took the risk of Saul finding the video in episode 2, it was still a risk that could sink the entire show.

If this is the path they are going they will lose all credibility they built up in season one. Nazir finally has someone as high up as a traitor can go and lets not forget this person just saved your life, and now you will take him out because the Gov't has some evidence tying him to you? Even in a worst case scenario for Nazir and the CIA had the tapes and got to Brody, he has nothing to give them to tie to you besides for the reporter. I dont think Brody has anything more than a Phone Number for Nazir.

If this was his worry, he should kill off the reporter chick instead of Brody, since she ties directly to you presumably and Brody is just your high end errand boy.

Gus Fring would slit his throat for less.What value is Brody to Nazir anymore?

There's no reason to kill the girl. She's not exposed and still useful.

A guy careful enough to stay hidden from the CIA for a decade probably doesn't leave loose threads around.

And I suspect you're overrating Nazir's loyalty.

I guess they might be going down Brody vs Nazir and Brody turns to the CIA before they come to him, but once he has lost contact with Nazir he is useless to them. A Cheesy way to have Brody not be arrested is if the shady VP finds out about his potential running mate being a terrorist and knows that means he is a dead duck in the election so he orders the CIA to stand clear of Brody until after election.

Just spitballing here, what crimes has Brody actually committed so far? He killed the sniper dude last season, he sent classified information from the CIA safe and the text tipoff. What else am i missing?

Assuming they cant get him on the murder charge and Nazir ceases communication with him, all they could get him on is the text message at this point.

He stole the CIA's intel on Nazir's target cities out of Estes' safe and he just killed the tailor.He's an accomplice or conspirator or something in the murder of the lady Walker killed to get Brody inside the building.

I can't recall anything else.

He killed Walker. Twice.

 

[Apple Jack]

Why would Nazir need to kill Brody? If he suspects the CIA is onto him, just sever ties and move, which I'm sure he's already done countless times since Brody last knew his location. Going after him just runs the risk of the person getting caught and tortured into giving up all he knows about Nazir's whereabouts and plans.

 

[identikit]

So amidat all of that, nobody else laughed at the coincidence of falling dpwn in a forest onto a metal apike?

That's the least of our issues! . When I first seen blood I thought they were being followed and he was shot, then it was oh, just a stump.

A stump made of metal. In the middle of the forest. Right where Brody tackles the tailor.Also- honey... when are you going to get here?

- durka durka

- shhhhhhhhhh

- what? what is that?

... hmmmm- can't tell my wife I need to call her right back or walk away somewhere behind a tree... guess I'm only really left with the option of killing this guy to shut him up.

 

[pollardsvision]

Why would Nazir need to kill Brody? If he suspects the CIA is onto him, just sever ties and move, which I'm sure he's already done countless times since Brody last knew his location. Going after him just runs the risk of the person getting caught and tortured into giving up all he knows about Nazir's whereabouts and plans.

Clearly, I'm in the minority on this, but I think there are a couple of possible reasons.The reporter lady is the most obvious.

That's a valuable, well-planted, long-term asset of Nazir's. Seeing as she wasn't rushed to a safe house, we can assume she wasn't exposed by the Beirut intel.

Brody is one of the few people that could give her up (only one the audience knows of).

We can also assume there are other assets that go down when the reporter lady does.

I'm pretty sure protecting the reporter lady asset is reason enough to kill Brody. Again, he has no further value, so any liability means he has to go.

I don't know what other info Brody can give the CIA, but it makes sense that he saw/heard things while in captivity that could be helpful. He spent a great deal of time with Nazir and he lied a about a few things upon return (presumably because they would help the CIA's cause).

If it's just to protect the reporter asset, that's the exact same reason Walker was killed. Nazir could have just cut off all ties, but Walker knew of a valuable asset (Brody). And hell, Walker is the one who actually went through with plan, while Brody backed out. Walker still had some value. Brody does not.

I really don't know why it feels like I'm going out on a limb when I say that when you are a mole working for the world's most dangerous terrorist and your cover is blown, he probably wants to kill you, but apparently, I am.

 

[Marvin]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

Yah...that is bipolar.

And yet one of the main plot points of the show (at least the first season) was that when she was on her meds her bi-polar symptoms were not obvious. If they were obvious she would have been drummed out of the CIA. They made that point clear numerous times in the first season.

 

[Marvin]

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

Is she supposed to be an analytical genius? I never got that impression.

Maybe "genius" is too strong of a word but they don't just let anybody into the CIA especially those people that are out in the field.

 

[Apple Jack]

Claire Danes is such a great actress. Her reaction when Estes asked her "You didnt think this would be your ticket back to the CIA, did you?" was phenomenal. Like a "Noooooo" aww shucks kind of reaction as if she did kind of think it would.

It's all too simple-minded for somebody who is supposed to be that bright. Like....OHHHHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH I GET TO BWEEF!!!! I WILL BWEEEEEFF DEM THEN DEY WIW ASK ME BACK!!!!

She's supposed to be bright but she's also supposed to be bipolar. I don't think it's out of character for her to perceive unrealistic scenarios as plausible. That's a big part of the show.

Being bi-polar and emotionally unstable when off her medication is a big part of the show. Being an idiot while taking her medication is a different story.

Even when they show her on her meds and not manic (or whatever) she comes off as too flighty and emotional.Maybe not fair but compare her to Saul. Hell compare her to any other similar female character...Scully from X-Files, Benson from Law and Order etc. She's never convinced me that she is some sort of analytical genius or even a competent CIA field operative.

Yah...that is bipolar.

And yet one of the main plot points of the show (at least the first season) was that when she was on her meds her bi-polar symptoms were not obvious. If they were obvious she would have been drummed out of the CIA. They made that point clear numerous times in the first season.

Yeah, I'm not sure I've seen a point missed that badly here.

 

[Jewell]

Lebanese government to sue producers of TV drama Homeland because 'it portrays Beirut as full of terrorists'

Tourism leaders in Lebanon want to sue the producers of US drama 'Homeland' claiming the latest episode was full of 'lies' and wrongly depicts Beirut as harbouring terrorists.

Lebanese Tourism Minister Fadi Abboud is so upset about the show's 'damaging' portrayal of the city that he's consulting lawyers about legal action he can take - and is demanding an apology. Mr Abboud is particularly upset about the second episode of the second series, which he says shows the city to be a 'non secure zone'. He said: 'This kind of film damages the image of Lebanon – it is not fair to us and it’s not true, it is not portraying reality.' 'We want to take action, we want to write to the filmmakers and producers and demand an apology. 'And we are planning to raise a lawsuit against the director and the producer', he told Executive magazine.

The award-winning show, based on the Israeli series 'Prisoners of War,' is about a U.S Marine named Nick Brody who was a POW for years in the Middle East.  The federal government and the public see Brody as a war hero, but a CIA operative played by Claire Danes believes he was turned by the enemy and is now a threat to the U.S. In the episode 'Beirut is Back', which aired on Channel 4 last Sunday, Danes is aiming to take out a senior figure affiliated with Lebanon’s Shiite Hezbollah organisation. The organisation is portrayed as a movement allied with Al-Qaeda in the series.

The scene is supposed to be set in Hamra Street, West Beirut but Mr Abboud said the street is not violent and dirty but a lively, safe, neighbourhood packed with cafes, book shops and pubs. He said the episode wrongly depicted the city as strong-hold for terrorists and a place where foreigners can easily fall victim to random attacks. Mr Abboud, who is trying to revive the city's reputation as the Paris of the Middle East, insisted the city was more secure than London or New York and feared foreigners would be put off.

Twentieth Century Fox Television, which produces the Showtime drama, has refused to comment.

Mr Abboud is also concerned about the fact the Beirut scenes were actually shot in Tel Aviv, the Israeli metropolis about 150 miles south of Beirut. The two nations are technically at war. Jaffa, a popular mixed Jewish and Arab neighbourhood of Tel Aviv, allowed the creators of 'Homeland' to present a plausible version of Beirut.

Ghada Jaber, a 60-year-old housewife, said Israel should never stand in for Lebanon. It is very insulting. Israel destroyed our country. Israel invaded and occupied our country.'

However, Hamed Moussa, an engineering student at the American University of Beirut, said it was not a problem that Israelis are portraying Lebanese. He said Lebanese often play Israeli characters in Lebanese soap operas.

Ariel Kolitz, a childhood friend of Gideon Raff, the Israeli co-creator of 'Homeland,' said the producers didn't have the option of shooting in Beirut, where Raff and other Israelis are not allowed to visit.

Many Lebanese cannot forget the massive destruction Israel inflicted on Beirut during the 1982 invasion when it succeeded in routing the Palestine Liberation Organization from the country. They resent the 18-year occupation of south Lebanon that followed, and their leaders reject the existence of the Jewish state. But to Israel, Lebanon has been a staging ground for missile strikes and other attacks on Israel, more than justifying the massive Israeli operations there that have occurred in every decade since the 1970s.

Eytan Schwartz, a spokesman for Tel Aviv's mayor, said the Lebanese should be pleased at the TV show's choice for a stand-in. 'If I were Lebanese, with all due respect, I'd be very flattered that a city, and a world heritage site, thanks to its incredible architecture, and residents who were named among the top 10 most beautiful people in the world (ranked by Traveler's Digest magazine in 2012) could pass as Lebanese,' he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220040/Lebanese-government-sue-Homeland-producers-portrays-Beirut-terrorists.html

 

[otb_lifer]

Claire Danes

 

[pollardsvision]

Lebanese government to sue producers of TV drama Homeland because 'it portrays Beirut as full of terrorists'

Tourism leaders in Lebanon want to sue the producers of US drama 'Homeland' claiming the latest episode was full of 'lies' and wrongly depicts Beirut as harbouring terrorists.

Lebanese Tourism Minister Fadi Abboud is so upset about the show's 'damaging' portrayal of the city that he's consulting lawyers about legal action he can take - and is demanding an apology. Mr Abboud is particularly upset about the second episode of the second series, which he says shows the city to be a 'non secure zone'. He said: 'This kind of film damages the image of Lebanon – it is not fair to us and it’s not true, it is not portraying reality.' 'We want to take action, we want to write to the filmmakers and producers and demand an apology. 'And we are planning to raise a lawsuit against the director and the producer', he told Executive magazine.

The award-winning show, based on the Israeli series 'Prisoners of War,' is about a U.S Marine named Nick Brody who was a POW for years in the Middle East.  The federal government and the public see Brody as a war hero, but a CIA operative played by Claire Danes believes he was turned by the enemy and is now a threat to the U.S. In the episode 'Beirut is Back', which aired on Channel 4 last Sunday, Danes is aiming to take out a senior figure affiliated with Lebanon’s Shiite Hezbollah organisation. The organisation is portrayed as a movement allied with Al-Qaeda in the series.

The scene is supposed to be set in Hamra Street, West Beirut but Mr Abboud said the street is not violent and dirty but a lively, safe, neighbourhood packed with cafes, book shops and pubs. He said the episode wrongly depicted the city as strong-hold for terrorists and a place where foreigners can easily fall victim to random attacks. Mr Abboud, who is trying to revive the city's reputation as the Paris of the Middle East, insisted the city was more secure than London or New York and feared foreigners would be put off.

Twentieth Century Fox Television, which produces the Showtime drama, has refused to comment.

Mr Abboud is also concerned about the fact the Beirut scenes were actually shot in Tel Aviv, the Israeli metropolis about 150 miles south of Beirut. The two nations are technically at war. Jaffa, a popular mixed Jewish and Arab neighbourhood of Tel Aviv, allowed the creators of 'Homeland' to present a plausible version of Beirut.

Ghada Jaber, a 60-year-old housewife, said Israel should never stand in for Lebanon. It is very insulting. Israel destroyed our country. Israel invaded and occupied our country.'

However, Hamed Moussa, an engineering student at the American University of Beirut, said it was not a problem that Israelis are portraying Lebanese. He said Lebanese often play Israeli characters in Lebanese soap operas.

Ariel Kolitz, a childhood friend of Gideon Raff, the Israeli co-creator of 'Homeland,' said the producers didn't have the option of shooting in Beirut, where Raff and other Israelis are not allowed to visit.

Many Lebanese cannot forget the massive destruction Israel inflicted on Beirut during the 1982 invasion when it succeeded in routing the Palestine Liberation Organization from the country. They resent the 18-year occupation of south Lebanon that followed, and their leaders reject the existence of the Jewish state. But to Israel, Lebanon has been a staging ground for missile strikes and other attacks on Israel, more than justifying the massive Israeli operations there that have occurred in every decade since the 1970s.

Eytan Schwartz, a spokesman for Tel Aviv's mayor, said the Lebanese should be pleased at the TV show's choice for a stand-in. 'If I were Lebanese, with all due respect, I'd be very flattered that a city, and a world heritage site, thanks to its incredible architecture, and residents who were named among the top 10 most beautiful people in the world (ranked by Traveler's Digest magazine in 2012) could pass as Lebanese,' he said.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2220040/Lebanese-government-sue-Homeland-producers-portrays-Beirut-terrorists.html

It sounds like the Israel issue might be the vast majority of what's upsetting them. The city officials of Baltimore weren't pleased about The Wire, but it was better than the alternative of filming in Philadelphia and calling it Baltimore. And I'm assuming that Baltimore folk don't hate Philly folk to the same degree that the Lebanese hate Israel.

 

[Mario Kart]

http://news.yahoo.com/explosion-rocks-central-beirut-witnesses-120610495.html

BEIRUT (Reuters) - A huge car bomb exploded in central Beirut during rush hour on Friday, killing eight people, wounding about 80 and raising fears of renewed sectarian violence in a country still scarred from a long civil war.

The explosion did not appear to target any political figure in Lebanon's divided community but it occurred at a time of heightened tension between Lebanese factions on opposite sides of the conflict in neighboring Syria.

It ripped through the street where the office of the anti-Damascus Christian Phalange Party is located near Sassine Square in Ashrafiyeh, a mostly Christian area.

Phalange leader Sami al-Gemayel, a staunch opponent of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and a member of parliament, condemned the attack.

"Let the state protect the citizens. We will not accept any procrastination in this matter, we cannot continue like that. We have been warning for a year. Enough," said Gemayel, whose brother was assassinated in November 2006.

The war in Syria, which has killed 30,000 people in the past 19 months, has pitted mostly Sunni insurgents against Assad, who is from the Alawite sect linked to Shi'ite Islam.

Lebanon's religious communities are divided between those supporting Assad and those backing the rebels trying to overthrow him.

The blast occurred during rush hour, when many parents were picking up children from school, and sent black smoke billowing into the sky.

Eight people were killed and at least 78 were wounded, the state news agency said, quoting civil defense officials.

Several cars were destroyed and the front of a multi-storey building was badly damaged, with tangled wires and metal railings crashing to the ground.

In the aftermath, residents ran about in panic looking for relatives while others helped carry the wounded to ambulances. Security forces blanketed the area.

In scenes reminiscent of the dark days of Lebanon's civil war, ambulances ferried the wounded to several hospitals, where doctors, nurses and students waited for casualties at the doors. At one hospital, an elderly woman sat in the emergency room with blood staining her blouse.

The hospitals put out an appeal for blood donations.

An employee of a bank on the street pointed to the blown-out windows of his building.

"Some people were wounded from my bank. I think it was a car bomb. The whole car jumped five floors into the air," he said.

Michael Fish, 25, a British musician visiting Beirut, said he was in his hotel a street away when the explosion happened.

"At first I thought it was an earthquake. It shook the whole hotel for a second. I ran down and started filming on my iPhone."

Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati said in a statement the government was trying to find out who carried out the attack and said the perpetrators would be punished.

The prospect that Syria's war might spread to Lebanon has worried many people here, and fighting broke out in February between supporters and opponents of Assad in the northern city of Tripoli.

Syria has also played a major role in Lebanese politics, siding with different factions during the 1975-1990 civil war. It deployed troops in Beirut and parts of the country during the war and stayed until 2005.

In Damascus, Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoabie told reporters: "We condemn this terrorist explosion and all these explosions wherever they happen. Nothing justifies them."

Tension between Sunnis, Shi'ites and Christians in Lebanon has continued after the civil war but has increased since the Syria conflict erupted.

Sunni-Shi'te rivalry hit a peak when former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, a Sunni, was killed in 2005. Hariri supporters accused Syria and then Hezbollah of killing him - a charge they both deny. An international tribunal accused several Hezbollah members of involvement in the murder.

Hezbollah's political opponents, who have for months accused it of aiding Assad's forces, have warned that its involvement in Syria could reignite the sectarian tension of the civil war.

The last bombing in Beirut was in 2008 when three people were killed in an explosion which damaged a U.S. diplomatic car.

Maybe Homeland has it more right than wrong.

 

[biggamer3]

http://news.yahoo.com/explosion-rocks-central-beirut-witnesses-120610495.html

BEIRUT (Reuters) - A huge car bomb exploded in central Beirut during rush hour on Friday, killing eight people, wounding about 80 and raising fears of renewed sectarian violence in a country still scarred from a long civil war.

The explosion did not appear to target any political figure in Lebanon's divided community but it occurred at a time of heightened tension between Lebanese factions on opposite sides of the conflict in neighboring Syria.

It ripped through the street where the office of the anti-Damascus Christian Phalange Party is located near Sassine Square in Ashrafiyeh, a mostly Christian area.

Phalange leader Sami al-Gemayel, a staunch opponent of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad and a member of parliament, condemned the attack.

"Let the state protect the citizens. We will not accept any procrastination in this matter, we cannot continue like that. We have been warning for a year. Enough," said Gemayel, whose brother was assassinated in November 2006.

The war in Syria, which has killed 30,000 people in the past 19 months, has pitted mostly Sunni insurgents against Assad, who is from the Alawite sect linked to Shi'ite Islam.

Lebanon's religious communities are divided between those supporting Assad and those backing the rebels trying to overthrow him.

The blast occurred during rush hour, when many parents were picking up children from school, and sent black smoke billowing into the sky.

Eight people were killed and at least 78 were wounded, the state news agency said, quoting civil defense officials.

Several cars were destroyed and the front of a multi-storey building was badly damaged, with tangled wires and metal railings crashing to the ground.

In the aftermath, residents ran about in panic looking for relatives while others helped carry the wounded to ambulances. Security forces blanketed the area.

In scenes reminiscent of the dark days of Lebanon's civil war, ambulances ferried the wounded to several hospitals, where doctors, nurses and students waited for casualties at the doors. At one hospital, an elderly woman sat in the emergency room with blood staining her blouse.

The hospitals put out an appeal for blood donations.

An employee of a bank on the street pointed to the blown-out windows of his building.

"Some people were wounded from my bank. I think it was a car bomb. The whole car jumped five floors into the air," he said.

Michael Fish, 25, a British musician visiting Beirut, said he was in his hotel a street away when the explosion happened.

"At first I thought it was an earthquake. It shook the whole hotel for a second. I ran down and started filming on my iPhone."

Lebanese Prime Minister Najib Mikati said in a statement the government was trying to find out who carried out the attack and said the perpetrators would be punished.

The prospect that Syria's war might spread to Lebanon has worried many people here, and fighting broke out in February between supporters and opponents of Assad in the northern city of Tripoli.

Syria has also played a major role in Lebanese politics, siding with different factions during the 1975-1990 civil war. It deployed troops in Beirut and parts of the country during the war and stayed until 2005.

In Damascus, Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoabie told reporters: "We condemn this terrorist explosion and all these explosions wherever they happen. Nothing justifies them."

Tension between Sunnis, Shi'ites and Christians in Lebanon has continued after the civil war but has increased since the Syria conflict erupted.

Sunni-Shi'te rivalry hit a peak when former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri, a Sunni, was killed in 2005. Hariri supporters accused Syria and then Hezbollah of killing him - a charge they both deny. An international tribunal accused several Hezbollah members of involvement in the murder.

Hezbollah's political opponents, who have for months accused it of aiding Assad's forces, have warned that its involvement in Syria could reignite the sectarian tension of the civil war.

The last bombing in Beirut was in 2008 when three people were killed in an explosion which damaged a U.S. diplomatic car.

Maybe Homeland has it more right than wrong.

Or Maybe the the guy was right and this "video" of Episode two created chaos and the eventual bombing as a direct result of it.

 

[Marvin]

Claire Danes

She has a weird nose.

 

[babydemon90]

I'm digging it so far this season. We saw at the end of this last episode what happened, but we are made to believe that Saul will know the truth and reveal it to those at Langley. Right? Yeah, I doubt that. He gets captured or sits on it to verify or something. No way they 'out' Brody already for good. If they did or killed off Brody, as a few here have suggested, they don't really have much of a backup for the main plot and this show would die a dismal death far too early.

 

[Billy Bats]

Well that happened a lot sooner than I expected. I couldn't tell if Saul and the new guy were ok with her going up to the room and bringing him down like that.

 

[pollardsvision]

Big, big hairy balls this show has.

 

[sporthenry]

Well that happened a lot sooner than I expected. I couldn't tell if Saul and the new guy were ok with her going up to the room and bringing him down like that.

Yeah, they didn't seem to care much about her going in. Not sure how they continue with him in prison but they can't just let him out either. Is he going to convince him that he did it while captive as someone posted earlier? He seemed to say a few damning things in the room although I'll have to watch again to make sure. And how detailed was the video? Did it have facts that wouldn't have been known months or years before? I'm interested to see where this goes, I just don't know how much longer this show has. I didn't think it had a long shelf life to begin with because you can only keep this back and forth up so long, but there doesn't seem to be any way back that is realistic.And if Lewis signing the 5 year deal is true, I don't see how they keep Danes as well. I just don't know how Lewis gets out of this. Perhaps I'm wrong and I can't wait to see how it plays out but I have a feeling it will jump the shark and be just completely unrealistic.

 

[biggamer3]

I'm done nitpicking for a while, this episode was amazing from beginning to end. Like the show runner said, they will always spring whatever the audience expects way sooner than we would think.

 

[pollardsvision]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how he could be arrested at this point. Is Guantanamo closed in 'Homeland' world?

I don't remember, but does the video actually say what he's planning?

I guess the crime could be conspiracy to commit a terrorist act or something (no idea if such a law exists or what it'd be called), but that's a little hard to stick when the act wasn't actually committed, even though he had the perfect opportunity.

I'm probably missing/overlooking something, but I'm not sure how he ends up in prison.

Estes and Saul already alluded to the VP not wanting this to come to light. It seems like a Brody trial would be thrown out of court with the public now knowing of the drone strike on the school that the VP has worked so hard to hide.

My guess is the next phase involves Brody stepping aside quietly and with the CIA watching him.

Either way, it'll be exciting to watch.

 

[Billy Bats]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how he could be arrested at this point. Is Guantanamo closed in 'Homeland' world?I don't remember, but does the video actually say what he's planning? I guess the crime could be conspiracy to commit a terrorist act or something (no idea if such a law exists or what it'd be called), but that's a little hard to stick when the act wasn't actually committed, even though he had the perfect opportunity. I'm probably missing/overlooking something, but I'm not sure how he ends up in prison. Estes and Saul already alluded to the VP not wanting this to come to light. It seems like a Brody trial would be thrown out of court with the public now knowing of the drone strike on the school that the VP has worked so hard to hide.My guess is the next phase involves Brody stepping aside quietly and with the CIA watching him. Either way, it'll be exciting to watch.

Well after watching the video, Estes wanted to arrest him right away. And he's the boss so I'm assuming they have enough to go on. And Saul also told him about the plot in detail, suicide vest in the bunker so I guess the video explained the whole thing, that's also something I wasn't sure of. If they don't throw him in jail, they can't just let him walk away. And I find it hard to believe they would trust him to be a double agent to help take down Nazir. Definitely will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

 

[pollardsvision]

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how he could be arrested at this point. Is Guantanamo closed in 'Homeland' world?I don't remember, but does the video actually say what he's planning? I guess the crime could be conspiracy to commit a terrorist act or something (no idea if such a law exists or what it'd be called), but that's a little hard to stick when the act wasn't actually committed, even though he had the perfect opportunity. I'm probably missing/overlooking something, but I'm not sure how he ends up in prison. Estes and Saul already alluded to the VP not wanting this to come to light. It seems like a Brody trial would be thrown out of court with the public now knowing of the drone strike on the school that the VP has worked so hard to hide.My guess is the next phase involves Brody stepping aside quietly and with the CIA watching him. Either way, it'll be exciting to watch.

Well after watching the video, Estes wanted to arrest him right away. And he's the boss so I'm assuming they have enough to go on. And Saul also told him about the plot in detail, suicide vest in the bunker so I guess the video explained the whole thing, that's also something I wasn't sure of. If they don't throw him in jail, they can't just let him walk away. And I find it hard to believe they would trust him to be a double agent to help take down Nazir. Definitely will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

Yeah, I was wondering about those things.I'll try to re-watch, but did Estes say "arrest" or "pick-up" (for questioning)?When Saul mentioned the vest, I wasn't sure if the video specifically stated it or if he was going off of assumptions (Carrie had predicted vest months earlier)?It's clear he's going to do something that ends in suicide and that he's angry with the VP, but we don't see just how close he comes to saying, "hey, I'm going to strap this here bomb to my chest and blow up the VP, along with half the Cabinet". Not that I have any idea how much it matters how close he came to spelling it out.

 

[Apple Jack]

What exactly do they have on him? I don't remember the episode when he made the video well enough to recall how detailed he was. There is certainly nothing in what they've showed us this season in the clips Saul, Carrie and Estes have watched to convict him of anything. And with his profile, you can't just make him disappear. And of course the show can go on without Brody. They have writers and the nucleus of the show is the CIA...they keep busy.