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Homeland (2 Viewers)

'Tuco said:
'belljr said:
'Tuco said:
I renewed my Showtime subscription 2 weeks into this season and they still haven't run the first two episodes again. So F'n mad that I have all these episodes saved on my DVR but can't watch them until the first couple air again.Dexter did a re-run right away of all this seasons episodes. :ptts:
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on demand?showtime app?
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DirecTV:ptts:
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:confused: Channel 1545 down? Has all of season 1 and episodes 1-9 from season 2
 
'JerseyToughGuys said:
I started watching the show about 3 weeks ago. Completely caught up. Completely agree that this thing has a noticeable downward trajectory. Seeing it in an abbreviated time frame probably enhanced the effect. And I don't think it is fixable. The premise just doesn't lend itself to a drawn out, long form series. This will be horrible next season, unless they blow it up and start it over with new characters and a new story arc (novel approach that will never happen).
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That's part of my issue, is that basing it with the CIA does lend itself to keep it going and they're still blowing it. This Brody arc has become a cartoon. All of them have become cartoons.
 
I think, in retrospect, I would have preferred if the bomb went off in season 1. That season story arc would have been about Carrie being right, but not being able to convince anyone else. Could have ended it with Saul and David figuring it out just as the bomb went off. Could have even made it a cliffhanger - with the VP injured but not killed.

Season 2 opens with the aftermath of the bombing - CIA chasing Nazir - probably in Europe or the Middle East for a change of scenery. Maybe some new suspect in the US, and the CIA skirts some laws trying not to let another domestic incident happen, because of their reluctance to suspect Brody. Season 2 ends by foiling a Nazir plot, but Nazir escapes.

Season 3 is the final season and is a cat-and-mouse game ending in Nazir's death in an old house in Pakistan.

 
'Jojo the circus boy said:
'Wingnut said:
'biggamer3 said:
was watching the episode in passing, was doing other things while it was on. Wasnt sure about a few things.

1) was that Arabic dude trying on a bomb filled jacket and what was in the package? assuming it was a jacket.

The Arabic guy in the back of the show store made the bomb jacket, Brodie tried it on and wrapped it up and took it with him (that was the package)

2) What was the color code representing exactly?

Abu Nazir's timeline. Carrie color coded events/documents according to when they happened. The yellow period info is scarce because thats when Nazir' son was killed in the bomb and he was in mourning (and perhaps revenge plotting mode)

3) How did the daughter have video of her dad standing outside all day, was it filmed by accident?

Helper elves.
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HTH
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also order of the rainbow - ROYBGV
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This is wrong. Correct order of the rainbow is ROYGBIV
 
Started watching this series last week, just got caught up and tonight will the first one I watch live. I read parts of this thread as I was watching the episodes - I get why people think it's gone downhill, is too unrealistic, etc. but I still like it. I loved 24 for its whole run, and a lot of the same complaints applied to that show too. I'm willing to accept a lot in the name of entertainment, I guess. :shrug:

 
I really don't want to join in on the #### parade. I love the show, I really do.

But Abu Nazir in a freaking Langley gas station? He doesn't have someone else to run in and grab a pack of smokes?

Somehow, that bothered me more than let's remote detonate the VPOTUS' pace maker.

And Saul, when you know your CIA boss and the VP have a secret worth killing over, don't let them know you are on to them.

The Nazir-Carrie scene was worth it though.

 
I'm sure I'll be in the minority but I enjoyed this episode, at least more so than more recent ones. I don't think this show will ever regain its former swagger but they sort of brought it upon themselves with the bluntness of not drawing anything out. But the end was at least exciting.

 
'pollardsvision said:
I really don't want to join in on the #### parade. I love the show, I really do.But Abu Nazir in a freaking Langley gas station? He doesn't have someone else to run in and grab a pack of smokes?Somehow, that bothered me more than let's remote detonate the VPOTUS' pace maker.And Saul, when you know your CIA boss and the VP have a secret worth killing over, don't let them know you are on to them.The Nazir-Carrie scene was worth it though.
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pace maker is actual plausible, so I will give them that...http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/08/defcon-excuse-me-while-i-turn-off-your-pacemaker/...Brody's phone wasn't tapped?Blackberry's have front facing cameras?Abu Nazir is going to yell at Brody in a thick accent while he talks to him on speakerphone?Once they realized Carrie was missing they should have been paying closer attention to Brody.I guess it is what it is.
 
Top notch show tonight. Only thing that should not have happened is Carrie going back into the mill.

Guess we know where Brody stands, no?

 
I've written a lot about this season about how the character work on "Homeland" of late has been outpacing the plot. But rarely was the gap starker than in "Broken Hearts," where the scenes where the characters were just talking to one another about who they were and what they believed in were terrific, while the ones where they had to take action often required a suspension bridge of disbelief.So on the positive side, you had the epic beard-off between Saul and Dar Adal — and between Tony Winner Mandy Patinkin and Oscar Winner F. Murray Abraham — in which two old, weary, smart men (played by two wily ol' character actors) talked about their experiences and their philosophical differences. And you had a similar debate between Carrie and Abu Nazir, as they clashed over which side was both more righteous and more committed to their cause. Outside of the Isa flashback episode last season, Nazir has largely existed on the show as a bogeyman, and it was very satisfying to get at least a few minutes with him interacting with someone not part of his organization and not broken from years of torture.But as for the plot — both the story of the episode and Nazir's Plan B once the CIA seized his explosives and most of his American terror cell — I spent a lot of the episode scratching and/or shaking my head.I recognize that 1)the CIA just put a big crimp into Nazir's operation, and 2)he really wants Walden dead (for killing Isa and for the drone strikes in general), but the pacemaker scheme strikes me as more of a supervillain scheme than that of a man whose terror aesthetic — as Carrie has told us over and over and over again — involves mass casualties of civilians in a symbolic way that will both inflict maximum psychological damage and make it absolutely clear he was the man responsible. Killing Walden in this complicated, stealthy way eliminates a man Nazir wants to kill, but not in a way that accomplishes any of his other goals.And blackmailing Brody in this way to get him to do it felt like one of the many, many "24" instances where Jack was forced to turn on CTU, his partners, his government, etc., because the bad guys were holding one of his loved ones hostage. Now, I liked "24." At times I loved it. But "Homeland" is a different kind of show — or feels like it should be. It's a thriller about government agents battling terrorism, but our heroine is an analyst, not a trained killer, and it's a show driven by words and not action. And though events on both shows are implausible, the tone of "Homeland" is much more down-to-earth — there's a greater illusion of plausibility. Carrie getting t-boned and turned into bait to force Brody to murder the vice-president feels like it fits in the older show and not in this one.And I hate to say it, but I really didn't like Damian Lewis' performance in much of this episode.Lewis is a great actor. He was a worthy Emmy winner last year, and if he wins again next year on the back of, say, "Q And A," I'll have no complaints. But he's much better at internalizing emotions than externalizing them, which makes a nice contrast with the performance Claire Danes is giving. But when Brody was be the one making with the bug eyes and grimaces and idle threats as he's reacting to this terrible situation Nazir has placed him in, it just didn't play — not that this isn't how Brody might react under that circumstance, but that for the first time of the series, I was watching Damian Lewis and not Nicholas Brody. It wasn't the whole episode — the moment when Brody drops the mask and gets to tell the dying Walden what he really thinks of him was quite nice — but enough that, when you add it together with Nazir's new scheme, Brody having the run of the VP's residence, etc., it was an episode where, for once, the flaws outweighed the strengths, and left me questioning the action more than usual.I wouldn't question Brody's desire to save Carrie, and also the recognition that he'd also kinda like Walden dead, but at the same time this wasn't a "24" situation where Nazir had eyes on him the whole time, because he had no resources. Brody could've told the CIA, they could've tried triangulating the call, etc. I'm not saying he had to do that, but it was at least something I was thinking about.And then there's Carrie not telling Saul and the others to protect Walden. I imagine they'll deal with this next week, and we'll find that Carrie wanted to protect Brody's reputation and future more than the VP's life, but it doesn't even seem to be a consideration for her when she's on the phone.In both cases, you have characters working under a ("24"-like) ticking clock scenario, and with no one they can really talk to, but at the same time they're making big damn decisions that the show is just racing through because it has to, and hoping that the actors will be good enough to tell you what their characters aren't saying aloud.At least Saul all but inviting Estes to detain him felt entirely in character. Saul is, as Dar Adal noted, too sensitive, and too willing to believe in the goodness of of others. (As Bill Hader-as-Saul said in the "SNL" parody, "She's only let me down every time I've trusted her. Give me one reason not to trust her again.") I believe that he would openly poke and prod Estes — a man whom he knows has gone to very illegal lengths to cover up that drone strike — never for a moment contemplating that David would resort to using similar tactics on him. Then again, we'll see what's waiting for him in that interrogation room next week.We're approaching the end game not only of this season, but Abu Nazir and maybe Brody himself, barring the writers having a surprising but convincing reason to keep him in play for additional seasons. For much of the season, the show has tip toed up to the edge of problem territory, and occasionally (the stealth ninja attack, for instance, or Roya risking Brody's cover to deal with the tailor) crossed over; "Broken Hearts" is the first episode that felt like it took place primarily on the wrong side of that line.Some other thoughts:* Last we heard about Galvez, he was basically so close to death that neither Saul nor Quinn could stomach the idea of even going to visit him. And now he's just moving about as part of the Estes team again, without any comment at all? Huh?* I know Dana has become everyone's favorite target of complaint this season, and I certainly haven't loved a lot of what they've done with that character. But Chris Brody, frankly, is a lot more distracting to me, even though he's around much less. With Dana, at least, they've put the work in to establish who she is, how she thinks, and what her relationship with her father and mother are like. Chris is just... there (or off at karate), so any scene where he's in the middle of the tension between Brody and Jessica, or Brody and Dana, or Dana and Jessica, becomes oddly distracting, because he barely even qualifies as a character on a show that usually distinguishes itself with how specifically everyone is written.
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What a godawful episode. Dana continues to soak up screen time just to scowl, the plot becomes 24 for no reason at all. I love how Nazir was able to perfectly time Carries capture all by himself.

I can't believe the show "unkilled" Valdez for no reason at all; we were fine with his death, why make it super unrealistic that only the characters on the show were able to survive an assault in Gettysburg?

Also the scene where Brody gets the call from Nazir and has to leave asap and disappoint his son, that should have been Dana at least since we knew they were on fragile ground already, Chris is no different than an alien at this point

 
'biggamer3 said:
What a godawful episode. Dana continues to soak up screen time just to scowl, the plot becomes 24 for no reason at all. I love how Nazir was able to perfectly time Carries capture all by himself.

I can't believe the show "unkilled" Valdez for no reason at all; we were fine with his death, why make it super unrealistic that only the characters on the show were able to survive an assault in Gettysburg?

Also the scene where Brody gets the call from Nazir and has to leave asap and disappoint his son, that should have been Dana at least since we knew they were on fragile ground already, Chris is no different than an alien at this point
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More Brady Bunch than Brody Bunch.
 
I read this on another board and i can't stop laughing....

Chris: are we going to finish the game of Hearts?

Brody: go f yourself Chris

 
'pollardsvision said:
'Raider Nation said:
'pollardsvision said:
The Nazir-Carrie scene was worth it though.
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Ehhhh. They should have left her tied up and gagged. For the remainder of the series.That was a supremely stupid episode.
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It was a bad episode, but that scene was good.And I'm not a "why watch if you just want to complain" guy, but seriously, if you don't like Carrie, it really doesn't make much sense to watch the show.
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She and the writers have lost the thread of her character. She just looks lost trying to play her at this point. The "hey!" between her and Brody when she called was funny. And the attention to detail on this show is non-existent. Zero. Never more obvious than the Carrie/Nazir scene where she could have easily slid one of her hands out, or at least pulled the thing off her mouth. And that seldom-used tactic of having the captor exit the room so that you can find the hack saw blade that is right there but uh oh, he's back!I change my mind, I might actually watch this again next season. It's so bad it's good.

 
THIS LEAD PIPE WILL STOP HIM!!!!!

I didn't mind the episode too much until that but I have now accepted this is the new 24, which I'm ok with but was not anticipating it going that direction so quickly

 
Please make Jack Bauer the next vice president somehow, that's just as plausible as a first time congressman with one year experience being asked to be vice president

 
'biggamer3 said:
Please make Jack Bauer the next vice president somehow, that's just as plausible as a first time congressman with one year experience being asked to be vice president
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Maybe Dennis Haysbert could take time off his busy all-state schedule. He was only the greatest president ever
 
'Apple Jack said:
Never more obvious than the Carrie/Nazir scene where she could have easily slid one of her hands out, or at least pulled the thing off her mouth. And that seldom-used tactic of having the captor exit the room so that you can find the hack saw blade that is right there but uh oh, he's back!
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See, I'm ok with this kind of stuff to a point. It can't ever be perfectly realistic, because we want drama, we want tension, we want the good guys to seem like they can't possibly win, but then have them win anyway... To acheive all those ends you usually need to stray from perfect realism, you need to use some convenient (and often unoriginal) plot devices, etc. If they wanted to make a show that was more realistic, Carrie would be dead, Brody would be dead, Quinn would be dead, Galvez would be dead, and no one would be watching. :shrug:But last night's episode was really bad. I held on longer than many of you it seems (likely due to the fact that I just watched all the episodes in succession in the span of about two weeks), but this was the first time my enjoyment of the show was completely overshadowed by my frustration at how stupid it was.
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'5 digit know nothing said:
The show is getting comical, anyone catch the title of next week's episode?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(season_2)I think the writers just gave up.
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I assume this means Chris is going to walk in on Nazir ####### his mom. He won't notice, though, since he'll be mesmerized by the giant TV on the wall.
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Notice how Chris hasn't said anything about the bad-### aquarium though? Stupid kid.
 
'Officer Pete Malloy said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'5 digit know nothing said:
The show is getting comical, anyone catch the title of next week's episode?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(season_2)I think the writers just gave up.
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I assume this means Chris is going to walk in on Nazir ####### his mom. He won't notice, though, since he'll be mesmerized by the giant TV on the wall.
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Notice how Chris hasn't said anything about the bad-### aquarium though? Stupid kid.
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He just thinks it's another TV, tuned to the Fish Channel 24/7.
 
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'Officer Pete Malloy said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'5 digit know nothing said:
The show is getting comical, anyone catch the title of next week's episode?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(season_2)I think the writers just gave up.
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I assume this means Chris is going to walk in on Nazir ####### his mom. He won't notice, though, since he'll be mesmerized by the giant TV on the wall.
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Notice how Chris hasn't said anything about the bad-### aquarium though? Stupid kid.
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He just thinks it's another TV, tuned to the Fish Channel 24/7.
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HEY MIKE! THE NEON TETRA SHOW IS ON AGAIN!
 
'Officer Pete Malloy said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'Officer Pete Malloy said:
'Ignoratio Elenchi said:
'5 digit know nothing said:
The show is getting comical, anyone catch the title of next week's episode?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeland_(season_2)I think the writers just gave up.
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I assume this means Chris is going to walk in on Nazir ####### his mom. He won't notice, though, since he'll be mesmerized by the giant TV on the wall.
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Notice how Chris hasn't said anything about the bad-### aquarium though? Stupid kid.
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He just thinks it's another TV, tuned to the Fish Channel 24/7.
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HEY MIKE! THE NEON TETRA SHOW IS ON AGAIN!
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QUICK HUG BUDDY?
 
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