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Really, I know you're Mr. PC here Tim, but who else would it realistically be? But looks like 2 police officers killed.

 
Instead of fighting Left/Right and dragging policy making into it, can we not all agree these SOBs whether you/me/we like it or not want to harm us? I'm OK with the fact we are all going to have differences in how to handle it but there seems to be at least a small group of folks who won't recognize we have a common enemy. And I'm not blaming one religion, just a particular brand(TERRORIST/TERRORISM) that covers ISIS/AQ/Hamas, those groups are not Muslim, you have to be human first and they don't qualify.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Instead of fighting Left/Right and dragging policy making into it, can we not all agree these SOBs whether you/me/we like it or not want to harm us? I'm OK with the fact we are all going to have differences in how to handle it but there seems to be at least a small group of folks who won't recognize we have a common enemy. And I'm not blaming one religion, just a particular brand(TERRORIST/TERRORISM) that covers ISIS/AQ/Hamas, those groups are not Muslim, you have to be human first and they don't qualify.
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When you say "us", if you mean innocent people everywhere, of any religion, ethnicity or creed, then of course I agree. 

 
I feel like we're addicted to any kind of terrorist situation these days. The news channels go into non-stop coverage.  Social media sites dominated by updates and chatter. Should we acknowledge that maybe we have a problem? 

Why is it that if a guy runs onto the field during a sporting event, they won't even show it.  The person is completely ignored by tv as to not give him the attention he/she craves and to not incite others to do the same. Yet when a mass shooting or terror attack happens we're shown the attacker's face incessantly.  We are told everything about the terrorist and their life. They become a celebrity, even a hero to those who share their ideology.  People with no lives, living in the shadows think they they too can become world famous if they kill a bunch of people and maybe their piddly little life will have had meaning.  Maybe if we stopped giving these people and these acts any attention at all the frequency of events like this would diminish greatly.  I just imagine the higher ups at cnn hi-fiving when something like this happens. Now they'll be able to charge the drug companies even more for diabetes medication adverts.

 
Willie Neslon said:
I feel like we're addicted to any kind of terrorist situation these days. The news channels go into non-stop coverage.  Social media sites dominated by updates and chatter. Should we acknowledge that maybe we have a problem? 

Why is it that if a guy runs onto the field during a sporting event, they won't even show it.  The person is completely ignored by tv as to not give him the attention he/she craves and to not incite others to do the same. Yet when a mass shooting or terror attack happens we're shown the attacker's face incessantly.  We are told everything about the terrorist and their life. They become a celebrity, even a hero to those who share their ideology.  People with no lives, living in the shadows think they they too can become world famous if they kill a bunch of people and maybe their piddly little life will have had meaning.  Maybe if we stopped giving these people and these acts any attention at all the frequency of events like this would diminish greatly.  I just imagine the higher ups at cnn hi-fiving when something like this happens. Now they'll be able to charge the drug companies even more for diabetes medication adverts.
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This has been a reasonable criticism since...well forever. Since Roman days I guess. But the news media only shows this stuff, and mass shootings, and police car chases, because it gets ratings. So how are you going to change human nature? 

 
timschochet said:
This has been a reasonable criticism since...well forever. Since Roman days I guess. But the news media only shows this stuff, and mass shootings, and police car chases, because it gets ratings. So how are you going to change human nature? 
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You started the thread.  Maybe the first step is looking in the mirror.

 
MaxThreshold said:
ISIS or al-Qaeda?  Oh boy, that means another lecture from the left about Guns is coming shortly.
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This argumemt was foolish with the attack on Turkey and as foolish with this.

Do lefties often argue gun control over attacks in other countries? 

Or just when someone with many red flags uses a legally purchased weapon to kill people in this country?

 
sho nuff said:
This argumemt was foolish with the attack on Turkey and as foolish with this.

Do lefties often argue gun control over attacks in other countries? 

Or just when someone with many red flags uses a legally purchased weapon to kill people in this country?
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And we're off & running .............

 
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say the people responsible are either Amish or Atheist. 

 
Dexter said:
This one is probably my fault too, huh?
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I believe that people like you in the US and the west who have publicly, vocally,  grouped all Muslims together with their most extreme elements are contributing to the growth of those extreme elements. Absolutely. 

 
timschochet said:
I believe that people like you in the US and the west who have publicly, vocally,  grouped all Muslims together with their most extreme elements are contributing to the growth of those extreme elements. Absolutely. 
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I read the FFA at work with the names/avatars off the screen, so I don't know who said what as I'm reading.  Honestly, when I read this quote, my first thought was, "what kind of a d-bag writes this?"

Congrats, Tim.

 
Jayrod said:
I read the FFA at work with the names/avatars off the screen, so I don't know who said what as I'm reading.  Honestly, when I read this quote, my first thought was, "what kind of a d-bag writes this?"

Congrats, Tim.
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Please take the time to read what I wrote again and then explain what is dirtbaggish about it, please. 

 
timschochet said:
I believe that people like you in the US and the west who have publicly, vocally,  grouped all Muslims together with their most extreme elements are contributing to the growth of those extreme elements. Absolutely. 
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Is the belief that gays should die and that by murdering them helps them get into heaven an extreme position? I would say it is, but to the vast majority of Muslims it's not.  Look I think you're a rational person and what should be normal is not normal to these people. Surly you can see this?

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Instead of fighting Left/Right and dragging policy making into it, can we not all agree these SOBs whether you/me/we like it or not want to harm us? I'm OK with the fact we are all going to have differences in how to handle it but there seems to be at least a small group of folks who won't recognize we have a common enemy. And I'm not blaming one religion, just a particular brand(TERRORIST/TERRORISM) that covers ISIS/AQ/Hamas, those groups are not Muslim, you have to be human first and they don't qualify.
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They are Muslim

Dexter said:
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say the people responsible are either Amish or Atheist. 
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They are Muslim

 
timschochet said:
I believe that people like you in the US and the west who have publicly, vocally,  grouped all Muslims together with their most extreme elements are contributing to the growth of those extreme elements. Absolutely. 
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Stopping short of interpreting Trump's proposed temporary ban on Muslims that way who has done that?

 
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timschochet said:
Please take the time to read what I wrote again and then explain what is dirtbaggish about it, please. 
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Yeah, you were answering his question.  You said it was his fault, "Absolutely".  Your explanation of why is a pretty shoddy theory.

And the D doesn't stand for dirt.

 
timschochet said:
I believe that people like you in the US and the west who have publicly, vocally,  grouped all Muslims together with their most extreme elements are contributing to the growth of those extreme elements. Absolutely. 
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You realize the majority of the people in the middle east are poor and can't get themselves a TV or in many cases even a computer, and therefore most of the news they get probably comes from a local internet cafe they spend a few hours in each week? And only have access to state run media or news they hear from members of a corrupt government or idiots in ISIS/Al-Qaeda? These entities are far more likely to invoke an inner Jihadi awakening than anything some Western schmuck on an Internet board or Western media outlet will ever say or think.

Do you really think if the Western governments started playing nice and everyday westerners started saying nice things about the middle east that suddenly all the Middle Eastern higher ups will start saying "wow what great people!"? Which would eventually spread down to the poor most likely to join these factions? That's what your line of logic sounds like to me. Which frankly sounds a bit naive. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
You realize the majority of the people in the middle east are poor and can't get themselves a TV or in many cases even a computer, and therefore most of the news they get probably comes from a local internet cafe they spend a few hours in each week? And only have access to state run media or news they hear from members of a corrupt government or idiots in ISIS/Al-Qaeda? These entities are far more likely to invoke an inner Jihadi awakening than anything some Western schmuck on an Internet board or Western media outlet will ever say or think.

Do you really think if the Western governments started playing nice and everyday westerners started saying nice things about the middle east that suddenly all the Middle Eastern higher ups will start saying "wow what great people!"? Which would eventually spread down to the poor most likely to join these factions? That's what your line of logic sounds like to me. Which frankly sounds a bit naive. 
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We already kiss their asses. At least the rich countries we do. We have a democratic president nominee who's campaign 25% funded by countries in the middle east.

I do agree with you the state funded news doesn't help, but the real problem IMHO is the religion itself. Don't get me wrong I'm not fond of any religion, but Islam is just sick and they haven't moved past the early growth states. It's like they've been stuck in the same backwards beliefs for 2000 years. At least Christianity has moved forward. Islam will burn the world to be king of the ashes.

 
Dexter said:
We already kiss their asses. At least the rich countries we do. We have a democratic president nominee who's campaign 25% funded by countries in the middle east.

I do agree with you the state funded news doesn't help, but the real problem IMHO is the religion itself. Don't get me wrong I'm not fond of any religion, but Islam is just sick and they haven't moved past the early growth states. It's like they've been stuck in the same backwards beliefs for 2000 years. At least Christianity has moved forward. Islam will burn the world to be king of the ashes.
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Islam hasn't been around for 2000 years.  

 
 
BBC Breaking News Verified account ‏@BBCBreaking 3h3 hours ago
Latest footage from scene of hostage crisis in Bangladeshi capital, Dhaka http://bbc.in/29bek7z
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Two police officers have been killed in a gun battle, a spokesman said, and about 30 others injured.

So-called Islamic State has said it carried out the attack.

A statement on the group's self-styled news agency Amaq said militants had attacked a restaurant "frequented by foreigners". It said that more than 20 people "of different nationalities" had been killed but this has not been confirmed.

Security forces say they are trying to negotiate the hostages' release.

Initial reports said that as many as 20 foreigners were among those taken captive.

Italian nationals are believed to be among them, a source at the Italian foreign ministry said, quoted by Reuters.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36687616
 
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Jayrod I never blamed Dexter or anyone like him for this or any other act of terrorism. I believe rhetoric like his contributes to the rise of extremism. Bigotry usually does. That is what I wrote and I stand by it. 

 
Henry Ford said:
In fact, at the same age that Islam is now, Christians were just coming out of the Dark Ages.
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Historically or figuratively?  Because it sounds like you're trying to say Christianity is a lot older than Islam and it's not.  They're the same generation with the same father.

 
Dexter said:
I'm going to take a wild guess here and say the people responsible are either Amish or Atheist. 
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I am guessing Hasidic---at least after reading Acer's thread, it is not out of the possibility.

 
Henry Ford said:
Um, what? Islam began in the 7th Century.
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In the history of religions the Abrahamic religions started close to the same time period with a common origin.  (Think of Islam as Christianity's little brother)  It's silly to think Islam hasn't grown up yet just because it's 600 years younger, they are both adults now.  

 
tonydead said:
In the history of religions the Abrahamic religions started close to the same time period with a common origin.  (Think of Islam as Christianity's little brother)  It's silly to think Islam hasn't grown up yet just because it's 600 years younger, they are both adults now.  
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It's not "just because." It's primarily because it's still primarily contained in an area of the world filled with underdeveloped nations and dictatorial / feudal / slave labor regimes much like Christianity in the 14th Century.  Where Islam has broken free of that mold, it has shifted drastically.

 
tonydead said:
In the history of religions the Abrahamic religions started close to the same time period with a common origin.  (Think of Islam as Christianity's little brother)  It's silly to think Islam hasn't grown up yet just because it's 600 years younger, they are both adults now.  
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The history is interesting, but Henry has somewhat of a point. After the conquest of Arabia by the Ottomans and their subsequent defeat, Islam is kind of in their dark ages. It matters not that their Golden Age was really the Golden Age of other cultures they conquered and converted, it was a golden age that has since disappeared, leaving them in a near-feudal situation. It is a pity that the riches that the Arabs are making off of oil isn't pulling them out, because when their oil is gone, they will fall on even harder times.

 
timschochet said:
When you say "us", if you mean innocent people everywhere, of any religion, ethnicity or creed, then of course I agree. 
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That would be "us" for sure. I'm getting tired after these attacks of feeling like I have to pick a side. After 9/11, at least for a little while the country was trying to work together, it united everyone. The Orlando attack did not unite, it only further divided, that's not good IMO.

 
Henry Ford said:
It's not "just because." It's primarily because it's still primarily contained in an area of the world filled with underdeveloped nations and dictatorial / feudal / slave labor regimes much like Christianity in the 14th Century.  Where Islam has broken free of that mold, it has shifted drastically.
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What about the numerous instances of American born and European born terrorists who were radicalized, in part, in European and American mosques?

One of the recent Istanbul airport terrorists was from Russia.  The CNN article on that Istanbul attack noted that: "Estimates of Russian fighters involved with ISIS range from 2,000 to 7,000, he said."

Even if it's true that Islam has shifted within developed nations, it's also true that there are a considerable number of mosques and Muslims in those developed nations with a more militant view of Islam and sympathies toward terrorists.

Given the prevalence of militant mosques and the terrorists and sympathizers they are producing, it makes sense to either take the French approach of shuttering those mosques or the Japanese approach of monitoring all mosques.

 
Let's steer the conversation towards money instead of religion because most of these folks blowing themselves up are pretty much brain washed by the top level losers in these organizations. There is a culture clash but I think it goes deeper than religion. 

They don't like Western values, period. You can scream Muslim/Islam, listen folks there are plenty of religions that are conservative and have not come around to 21st Century Western culture or European like societies. I think it's deplorable the way women are treated in the Middle East but look how long it took for women to have a voice in America and we still are scared to elect a female President (You bet your ### I just said that). 

You cannot expect everyone to adopt our way or standard of living. Whatever we do here, those are our beliefs as a society, it's not for us to say how others should behave in their own countries. I wish they were nicer and more progressive with their LGBT views but the fact is they kill them for sport in the Middle East. Act shocked, run around with your hands in the air but in the end it doesn't matter. You are not going to take these people and fast forward them 500-1,000 years into modern day America. 

And if you want to visit these countries, good luck with that and I wish you well in your travels. But please don't go there and then come back and do some journalist piece on the horrors going on there. A group of thugs and terrorists formed a triangle covering a large chunk of the desert from Syria to Iraq and there are a lot of moving pieces and you can't just point at one thing and say that's the problem. Saudi Arabia is supposed to be our friend but yet they seem to be responsible in part for 9/11 and treat human beings especially women and gays something horrific there. 

I meet Muslims in America, in general they are pretty nice folks. Rare I find one who is not pretty committed to America and our values/way of life. I know it's hard to not paint in a broad stroke or condemn Muslims but in a lot of ways we are falling into their trap and help their cause. I wish it weren't true but the more they can get wall to wall coverage with Paris...Orlando...Turkey...Bangladesh and I'm missing a bunch. And now we are wasting our time discussing it here on a Friday Night when we should be spending the time we have the folks we love and who love us. 

#### these ####s!!!

 
Here is a question for anyone on the Right/Left/Center

What do you do when something that is part of a religion or widely accepted as A-OK within the religion strikes against the moral code of many Americans? And I can expand that to world wide but we live here so I am simply saying America. I'll even pick a different religion, let's stay in the Middle East though and look at Judaism. Now within that religion is a way they kill animals known as kosher. I promise if you ever see an animal slaughtered "kosher style" you might not eat for a while. The rabbi literally reaches into the animal while it is still living, it's brutal. Just like a lot of American cattle ranches and the way the animals are butchered for food would make a lot of folks jump to PETA. 

But let's assume that citizens here felt it was animal cruelty...there really isn't much that could be done about it. 

And then we could go back to Muslim/Islam and let's talk about a woman who is stoned to death for sleeping with a man. What role does America play in stopping that from happening? Is there anything we should even do? Is stoning a woman for being accused of adultery an act of terrorism? 

 
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