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House Judiciary Impeachment Hearing (1 Viewer)

Nadler began his opening statement discussing the wrongdoing that Mueller uncovered.

He then transitioned into Trump's unprecedented obstruction of Congress.

Nadler outlined a pattern of behavior, then discussed the fact Trump welcomed election interference in 2016 and 2020.

 
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Chairman Nadler:

"Ladies and gentlemen, the storm in which we find ourselves today was set in motion by President Trump. I do not wish this moment on the country. But we have each taken an oath to protect the Constitution, and the facts before us are clear."

Nadler: "Never before in the history of the republic have we been forced to consider the conduct of a president who appears to have solicited personal, political favors from a foreign gov't. Never before has a president engaged in ... conduct ... that most concerned the Framers."

 
Bucky86 said:
Why can't this be discussed in the Impeachment thread? 
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No one was discussing it there and people might want to be review the discussion of testimony without waiting through other stuff.

Again, if the mods think it is redundant, they can merge it or if they wish I will mute this thread. 

 
squistion said:
No one was discussing it there and people might want to be review the discussion of testimony without waiting through other stuff.

Again, if the mods think it is redundant, they can merge it or if they wish I will mute this thread. 
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Not true. It's just opening statements.

 
Prof. Noah Feldman:

"President Trump has committed impeachable high crimes and misdemeanors by corruptly abusing the office of the presidency. Specifically, President Trump abused his office by corruptly soliciting President Volodymyr Zelensky to announce investigations."

 
Interesting that, per Prof. Feldman that “High” in “High Crimes and Misdemeanors” refers to high office, not degree of offense.

 
The GOP tactic so far seems to be to interrupt as often as possible with roll call votes, so as to make the impeachment hearing unwatchable. 

 
Prof. Pamela Karlan:

"Here Mr. Collins, I would like to say to you, sir, that I read transcripts of every one of the witnesses ... I would not speak about these things without reviewing the facts. I'm insulted by the suggestion that as a law prof I don't care about those facts."

 
Prof. Pamela Karlan:

 "The evidence reveals a president who used the powers of his office to demand that a foreign government participate in undermining a competing candidate for the presidency."

 
Prof. Pamela Karlan:

"Put simply, a candidate for president should resist foreign interference in our elections, not demand it. If we are to keep faith with the Constitution and our Republic, President Trump must be held to account."

 
Professor Pamela Karlan, 

"...drawing a foreign government into our election process is an especially serious abuse of power because it undermines democracy itself."

 
Professor Karlan of Stanford with a solid example:

"Say you live in Louisiana and a natural disaster strikes. Your governor goes to the POTUS to ask for disaster aid, and is told that Louisiana only gets the money if he brands the president's opponent a criminal."

 
squistion said:
Professor Karlan of Stanford with a solid example:

"Say you live in Louisiana and a natural disaster strikes. Your governor goes to the POTUS to ask for disaster aid, and is told that Louisiana only gets the money if he brands the president's opponent a criminal."
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That is not a solid example.

 
Prof. Michael Gerhardt:

"If Congress fails to impeach here, then the impeachment process has lost all meaning, and, along with that, our Constitution’s carefully crafted safeguards against the establishment of a king on American soil and therefore, I stand with the Constitution."

 
squistion said:
Prof. Michael Gerhardt:

"If Congress fails to impeach here, then the impeachment process has lost all meaning, and, along with that, our Constitution’s carefully crafted safeguards against the establishment of a king on American soil and therefore, I stand with the Constitution."
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Will you post quotes from Professor Turley?

 
squistion said:
Professor Karlan of Stanford with a solid example:

"Say you live in Louisiana and a natural disaster strikes. Your governor goes to the POTUS to ask for disaster aid, and is told that Louisiana only gets the money if he brands the president's opponent a criminal."
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And President Trump has already threatened states withholding fed  money because he dislikes them or they speak against him.  This is so on point.  

 
Prof. Jonathan Turley (for the GOP) complaining it is the shortest impeachment process ever and overlooking the WH obstruction by preventing witnesses to testify. 

 
Prof Turley:

No crime established. Also, moving too fast. Everyone's mad (even my dog) ...

"It's not wrong because Pres. Trump was right. His call was far from perfect." It's wrong because  impeaching hearings won't make us less mad.

 
NADLER:

What happens to the system of checks and balances when he orders all witnesses not to testify?

GERHARDT:

"When a president does that, separation of powers means nothing. The subpoenas that have been issued, of course, are lawful orders ... You comply with the law."

 
EISEN:

"Did President Trump commit the impeachable high crime and misdemeanor of abuse of power ... ?"

FELDMAN:

"The president did commit an impeachable abuse of office."

EISEN:

"Prof. Karlan, same question."

KARLAN:

"Same answer." ...

GERHARDT:

"We three are unanimous."

 
OMG those first two. Even you diehards have to admit this is not looking good. The optics of these two elitist eggheads lecturing us on their personal, partisan opinion that there is enough to remove this President is going to be deservedly mocked for months. 

 
squistion said:
EISEN:

"Did President Trump commit the impeachable high crime and misdemeanor of abuse of power ... ?"

FELDMAN:

"The president did commit an impeachable abuse of office."

EISEN:

"Prof. Karlan, same question."

KARLAN:

"Same answer." ...

GERHARDT:

"We three are unanimous."
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Why would anyone...ANYONE care what these 3 partisan hacks think?  

 
Prof. Pamela Karlan:

"If you don't impeach a president who has done what this president has done... then what you're saying is it's fine to do this again."

 
So these 3 anti-Trumpers think the Ds have enough to impeach. Great. Why is anyone on the fence going to care about these 3?

 
RBM said:
So these 3 anti-Trumpers think the Ds have enough to impeach. Great. Why is anyone on the fence going to care about these 3?
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They are respected law professors. They are establishing the Constitutional grounds for impeachment and it is the groundwork that has to be laid.

 
Prof. Pamela Karlan says that President Trump’s conduct when it comes to Ukraine constitutes impeachable bribery.

She goes on to makes a distinction between bribery in the impeachment clause and the bribery statute that wasn't created until decades later.

 
squistion said:
They are respected law professors. They are establishing the Constitutional grounds for impeachment and it is the groundwork that has to be laid.
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Respected by who?  They’re typical Trump-hating elitists that think they know what’s best for the electorate. How surprising that they think the Ds have enough. Really shocking. 

Never seen someone in need of a wedgie as bad as that first guy Feldman. 

 
Prof. Karlan:

"If we look like we're asking other countries to interfere in our election, if we look we're asking our countries to engage in criminal investigations of our president's political opponents, then we're not doing our job of promoting our national interests."

 
Prof Gerhardt:

If this (what Trump did in demanding dirt and self-serving investigations from a foreign power to help secure his re-election) is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable.

 
Prof. Feldman:

"If the president of the U.S. attempts to abuse his office, that is a complete impeachable offense. The possibility that the president might get caught in the process ... and then not able to pull it off does not undercut in any way the impeachability of the act."

 
EISEN:

"What's the danger if Congress does not respond to [Trump's] attempt?"

KARLAN:

"Well, we've already seen a little bit of it, which is he gets out on the White House lawn and says, 'China, I think you should investigate Joe Biden'."

 
Ds message to America:

”Look, these people who are so much smarter than you and know so much more than you are saying Trump should be impeached, so obviously you need to think that as well.”

 
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