How can Brady Quinn ever crack the starting lineup? (1 Viewer)

[Bracie Smathers]

A guy like Jamarcus Russell, taken with the FIRST PICK in last year's draft, widely considered to be the best QB prospect isn't anywhere ready to take over. A guy like Brady Quinn is already signed. He's been through an NFL training camp/preseason and will have a full season and off season under his belt and may even get some PT or possibly even a start should something befall Derek Anderson. Any potential trade discussion with the Vikes would have to 'start' with Minnesota's first round pick or DT/DE Kevin Williams.

The Vikes are loaded on their D-Line and Williams could be moved. A starting NFL QB for a DT/DE whom a team has gotten years of service for and who carries a hefty price tag for a bargain priced QB is an excellent return on investment, especially considering the Vikings could throw in their first or second round pick into the mix to seal the deal and still come away with a replacement for Williams in next year's draft AND also land a genuine starting caliber NFL QB. The grandiose talent of RB Adrian Peterson and the huge investment in that offensive line with Bryant McKinnie/Steve Hutchison, not to mention WR Sidney Rice, will all go to waste unless the Vikes get a genuine starting caliber NFL QB as thier trigger man. Tavarius Jackson isn't the guy and any rookie is subject to slow development meaning the Vikings wouldn't get any production from their QB position for another two years at best. Quinn came in as the most well-prepared rookie QB in ages. He can play right now. ANY team would be slathering to get production from a young QB instead of waiting years to hope and see IF they'll get any sort of return on their investment. Quinn is the real deal. No NFL team trades a talent like Brady Quinn on the cheap so the OPENING of trade talks would be the Vikes first rounder and/or Kevin Williams before they could progress.

The Vikings are not "loaded" on the d-line. In fact, their depth is quite thin. And they just signed both Williams to extensions. There is no chance they trade Kevin Williams. None.Of course the first rounder would have to be included.

They certainly have been drafting tons of playrs on the D-Line over the last few years:2003

1 9 Kevin Williams DE Oklahoma State

2004

1 20 Kenechi Udeze DE USC

3 88 Darrion Scott DE Ohio State

2005

1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri

2006

4 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue

2007

4 102 Brian Robison DE Texas

You're saying that only ONE of SEVEN draftees on the D-Line have panned out for the Vikings?

Also ask yerself this Q. How much impact has Kevin made compared to the impact of a potential franchise QB? The Browns cap hit compared to the hit the Vikes would take on KW is a wash especially considering the bargain price you'd have going forward.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

They certainly have been drafting tons of playrs on the D-Line over the last few years:

2003

1 9 Kevin Williams DE Oklahoma State

2004

1 20 Kenechi Udeze DE USC

3 88 Darrion Scott DE Ohio State

2005

1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri

2006

4 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue

2007

4 102 Brian Robison DE Texas

You're saying that only ONE of SEVEN draftees on the D-Line have panned out for the Vikings?

Also ask yerself this Q. How much impact has Kevin made compared to the impact of a potential franchise QB? The Browns cap hit compared to the hit the Vikes would take on KW is a wash especially considering the bargain price you'd have going forward.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Udeze and James have largely been busts. Mosley is gone and Scott is on IR due to an ACL. Robison has shown flashes but Edwards has just about disappeared in the last month.And while they've drafted often on the d-line, it's been at the end spot, not the tackle. There's no way they're trading K. Williams. None. I'm not even going to discuss it.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

for Quinn to get a start now Anderson would have to involved in a tragic blimp accident.

Note to Browns, keep Anderson 50 ft from Romeo at all times.As good as DA has been, he has some obvious limitations.1) He doesn't comprehend the whole offense. (but he's getting better.)2) He doesn't make reads very well at the LOS. (but he's getting better.)3) He locks on the #1 read way too much. (not getting any better yet.)4) He doesn't manage the game well. (but he's getting a little better.)5) He forces the ball too much. (this is the one that could kill him, he's gotten a little better, but a team with good DB's will kill him on #3 and #5)That being said, DA will most likely get the highest tender as a restricted FA next year. Unless he shows great improvement on his flaws, I think the Browns look to trade him in a year where a lot of teams are looking for QB's.

This is good stuff. The key here is the Browns FINALLY have a very nice offensive line. Anderson has a clean jersey after every game. A good OC (like the Browns currently have) can make a lot of quarterbacks look good when the QB can stand there and pick apart the defense. They can put him in a position to do the things he does best. But the same could be said for Quinn. Quinn wouldn't get hit behind this line, either. The Browns can put Quinn in the best position to succeed as an NFL QB behind that line. And the bottom line is that Brady Quinn is more talented than Anderson. The Browns should be able to take the offense up a few notches higher with Quinn.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

They certainly have been drafting tons of playrs on the D-Line over the last few years:

2003

1 9 Kevin Williams DE Oklahoma State

2004

1 20 Kenechi Udeze DE USC

3 88 Darrion Scott DE Ohio State

2005

1 18 Erasmus James DE Wisconsin

6 191 C.J. Mosley DT Missouri

2006

4 127 Ray Edwards DE Purdue

2007

4 102 Brian Robison DE Texas

You're saying that only ONE of SEVEN draftees on the D-Line have panned out for the Vikings?

Also ask yerself this Q. How much impact has Kevin made compared to the impact of a potential franchise QB? The Browns cap hit compared to the hit the Vikes would take on KW is a wash especially considering the bargain price you'd have going forward.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Udeze and James have largely been busts. Mosley is gone and Scott is on IR due to an ACL. Robison has shown flashes but Edwards has just about disappeared in the last month.And while they've drafted often on the d-line, it's been at the end spot, not the tackle. There's no way they're trading K. Williams. None. I'm not even going to discuss it.

Well if you think drafting D-Linemen is difficult wait till you try your hand with trying to find a franchise QB. The Browns run a 34, they can 'get by' with traditional 34 D-Linemen but the only guys they'd consider for a top dollar/talent acquistions is someone like KW. More than likely they will opt for a NT or 34 DE with their second round pick and they'll get it and they'll also get offers for Quinn which will be lofty and enticing but would have to exceed the huge cap hit and they are going to keep DA and will have to re-up him for the equivilent of Quinn's contract with the signing bonus. If the Vikes want in they can't get too attached to the only real player whom the Browns would be interested on their team.Oh and here is what you can look forward to in next year's draft.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2008.php

2008 Mock Draft: Round One

Last update: Friday, Oct. 19, 2007.

1. Miami Dolphins: Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU

Out of all the winless teams, the Dolphins are ranked the worst on my NFL Power Rankings Page (http://walterfootball.com/analysis.php).

Tough decision between Jake Long and Glenn Dorsey. I know some other mock drafts have the former going to South Beach, but the Dolphins have only given up 10 sacks this year. They also run the ball extremely well, as Ronnie Brown is ripping off 5.2 yards per carry. The main reason Miami is 0-6 is because it cannot stop anyone; while the offense is ranked 13th, the defense is 30th, surrendering 30.3 points per game.

Glenn Dorsey has dominated the line of scrimmage almost every game this year. The Dolphins' decrepit stop unit needs help everywhere, starting up front. Dorsey can instantly improve an eight-sack defense ranked 31st against the run.

2. St. Louis Rams: Jake Long, OT, Michigan

Orlando Pace is one of the top offensive tackles in the game, but he has missed significant time the past two seasons. Without Pace on the line, the Rams simply cannot score consistently. They need to do something about this, because as far as I'm concerned, Pace is unreliable at this stage of his career. St. Louis cannot allow Marc Bulger to be sacked six times per week. He's too good a quarterback for that to happen.

3. Atlanta Falcons: Andre' Woodson, QB, Kentucky

I really feel sorry for Atlanta fans. They go from having their best quarterback traded to Houston, to watching their current signal caller get thrown in prison for slaughtering dogs. Then, they have to decide between the piano-playing Joey Harrington and the cheeseburger-eating Byron Leftwich. Is there any doubt the Falcons won't be drafting a quarterback?

Well, there is a chance the Falcons could pass up on the two signal callers if someone special like Darren McFadden is available. Warrick Dunn is close to retirement, and I'm not convinced that Jerious Norwood can carry the load on his own. Atlanta could maintain one of the league's most potent rushing attacks and still acquire a franchise quarterback at the top of Round 2.

Actually, now that I think about it... Nah. The Falcons need a major upgrade at the signal-caller position and a true leader in the locker room. I'm on board with Web-site contributor Matt McGuire in thinking that Andre' Woodson will be the first quarterback taken. Given the way he's commanded his squad over the likes of LSU and Arkansas, GMs may become enthralled with his intangibles. It really hurts Brian Brohm that Louisville has underachieved this season. Plus, we've seen NFL coaches pass up on former collegiate players before, so this isn't a new phenomenon or anything.

4. New York Jets: Chris Long, DE/OLB, Virginia

The Jets are 1-5 because Chad Pennington sucks and they have only six sacks through six contests this season. Kellen Clemens will fix the first problem (hopefully), meaning New York will need to draft someone who can get to the quarterback in their 3-4 defense. Chris Long, son of former Raider and current FOX analyst Howie Long, currently plays in the 3-4 at Virginia. He's a top-10 prospect, so this seems like a perfect fit.

5. Buffalo Bills: Calais Campbell, DE, Miami

I know the Bills have a great defensive end in Aaron Schobel, while Chris Kelsay made a great play to score a touchdown against Dallas, but the fact remains that Buffalo has only four sacks through five games in 2007. That's just unacceptable. Instead or rotating three players at one position, I'd like to see the Bills go after a stout end who can be on the field on every single snap. Besides, given who's off the board, it's either Calais Campbell or Kenny Phillips at this juncture.

6. New Orleans Saints: Kenny Phillips, FS/SS, Miami

The Saints can't stop anyone because they can't apply pressure on opposing quarterbacks. They can't apply pressure on opposing quarterbacks because their secondary is garbage, prompting defensive coordinator Gary Gibbs to provide more help to a horrific secondary. Kenny Phillips is the real deal. Even though New Orleans needs a cornerback (or three) more than a safety, it cannot justify passing up on a player of Phillips' caliber.

7. Cincinnati Bengals: Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas

Another pick spent on a running back? Well, when you can't seem to develop any sort of ground game, you have to take one. Rudi Johnson has been getting more sluggish every year, seeing his yards-per-carry average drop to 3.0 this season. Darren McFadden could provide the Bengals with the spark they need at running back to make their offensive absolutely lethal. I know they need help on defense, but it's way too early for Dan Connor or Keith Rivers. Besides, we've all seen what Adrian Peterson has accomplished in Minnesota in just half a season.

8. Chicago Bears: Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

Rex Grossman has finally been benched, and as I've predicted, Brian Griese isn't much better. The Bears will need to spend one of their first two picks in the 2008 Draft on a quarterback. I don't know if Chicago will be in position to select Brian Brohm by season's end, but things aren't looking too promising right now.

9. Oakland Raiders: DeSean Jackson, WR, California

Al Davis loves speed, and if DeSean Jackson runs a low 4.3 or even a 4.2, as expected, Davis won't be able to contain himself. If Jackson's available when the Raiders are on the clock, I could see Davis tossing his walker aside and running on stage to submit his selection as quickly as possible. How sick would the combination of JaMarcus Russell's arm strength and Jackson's speed be?

10. Minnesota Vikings: Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College

Is there any doubt that the Vikings have the worst corps of quarterbacks in the NFL? Tarvaris Jackson has been a complete bust, Kelly Holcomb is nothing more than a career backup, while Brooks Bollinger probably wouldn't make any other roster at this point of his career. I'll go as far to say that Minnesota could really hurt itself by winning enough to place itself out of contention for Brian Brohm, Andre' Woodson or Matt Ryan, who is flying up draft boards.

http://www.fantasyinsideronline.com/view.a...D-E5E2EBE00421}

2008 NFL Mock Draft Vol. 0.1

Written by Adam Allen

Posted on 10/10/2007

1. MIAMI DOLPHINS – Jake Long, OT, Michigan (View Player Profile)

While the fans will cry for Brohm, Long makes more sense to this team. He can come in and sure-up a struggling offensive line which, in turn, would help build on the other young talent on offense. Also, factor in that the Dolphins selected QB John Beck with the 40th overall selection in the 2007 draft.

2. ST. LOUIS RAMS – Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville

If the Rams continue to spiral, they will be faced with some major decisions. While defensive help in this spot may make sense, it would be hard to pass on a future franchise QB. While Marc Bulger is pretty darn good, he has missed substantial time since 2004. Brohm could learn from Bulger, and at worst, the Rams would have an excellent #2 for the next few years.

3. NEW ORLEANS SAINTS – Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU (View Player Profile)

The Saints are a mess right now. They need some upgrades across the board, but one of their major holes is at defensive tackle. Dorsey, arguably the best player in the country, is a force inside, and has an intensity and a motor that doesn’t quit. This LSU product would have a short move to the Superdome and would give the Saints a spark.

4. NEW YORK JETS – Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas*

The Jets have a lot of needs on the defensive side of the ball. However, Darren McFadden is going to be the #1 player on everyone’s board. Sure, RB Thomas Jones is a nice option, but he is NOT Darren McFadden. McFadden is a special player who can compliment Jones for a while until he is ready to take the reigns himself.

5. ATLANTA FALCONS – Andre Woodsen, QB, Kentucky (View Player Profile)

No one needs a quarterback quite like the Falcons. Lucky for them, Woodsen is a stud. This strong-armed signal caller is the type of player to build around, and he has a great future in this league.

6. BUFFALO BILLS – Sam Baker, OT, USC

The Bills rank 20th in rushing and have given up 13 sacks already this season. The offensive line overhaul has helped a little, but not much. Jason Peters is turning into a stud at left tackle, however, the addition of Langston Walker doesn’t seem to be that promising. Baker is a very good player who can likely play RT and solidify things.

7. MINNESOTA VIKINGS – Calias Campbell, DE, Miami* (View Player Profile)

The Viking desperately need a quarterback, but at #7 (and past the “Big 2”) and with Brad Childress likely on the hot seat, look for them to bring in a vet. With that being said, Minnesota has not gotten any sort of production from their pair of former 1st Round ends (James and Udeze). So, as they say, third time’s a charm! Campbell, at 6’8”, 280 lbs, is a freak and in my opinion, looks better than both Gaines Adams and Mario Williams on film. If Campbell is somehow still on the board, it has to be a no-brainer for Minnesota.

You're run defense is rock solid. Sure you could use a pass rusher but KW has had injuries and the impact just isn't there from a DE compared to a franchise QB. Its just not. Also the synergy LOST from Mt. McKinny/Hutch/AP/Rice is real. Just look at the Brownies who FINALLY got return on investment from Braylon Edwards and company once a legit NFL QB took the helm. So don't think of what you lose, think of what you gain otherwise you can look forward to eight man stack boxes for AP and Sid Rice never cooking and losing all effectiveness from the investment of your O-line.

 

[Steeler43]

Should be a simple matter for the Browns to recoup that 1st rounder for Quinn. Probably could get a top 10 pick for him if they play their cards right.

Top 10 for a guy they drafted in the 20's? I've got news for you, most NFL GMs don't get carried away with preseason the way guys around here do. They'll end up getting a 2nd rounder at best if they move Quinn.

If I'm a team like the VIkings, I'd rather trade a top 10 for a guy with a year of experience, even if it was on the bench than any of the guys that are likely to be one of the first three selected in the upcoming draft (Ryan, Woodson, Brohm).And, once again, the only reason that Quinn fell is because a) so few teams were looking for a QB this year and b) the Dolphins were stupid.

Honest question: Do you really believe that you can evaluate players better than the TEAM of scouts that the Dolphins employee?And if you say "yes" than would you not agree that your advantage is negated by the fact that they have access to so much more info and private workouts and interviews than you?

They all make mistakes. Ginn was a horrible reach, close to 30 teams would agree on that.

 

[cartel]

The same way Phillip Rivers did........you trade Anderson like Brees was traded.

As was pointed out, Brees was not traded. Brees also was injured when he left in FA and he wasn't and never will be 6'6 230 lbs with a rocket arm and one of the quickest releases in the league. The Browns AREN'T going to trade Derek Anderson if he's healthy and playing the way he has been.

Channeling the gatekeeper at the Emerald City in the Wizard of Oz. "Not going to happen, NO WAY NO HOW."

NFL teams DO NOT trade away guys like DA who possess his physical skills at his age, 24, and who is producing at one of proffessional sports most demanding positions, NFL starting QB. He is on pace to shatter nearly every Browns ALL-TIME single season passing records. This with only a half a season of pro starts under his belt as he develops and improves on a weekly basis.

At first it was reasonable to be leery or to question or doubt DA but not now. Not the way he's been playing AND improving/developing before our very eyes. Some of the throws he's made are epic in the grand NFL scheme. Tight windows that few attempt let alone complete.

The two major weakness' I saw last year have faded.

1. I questioned DA's leadership along the lines of lacking the elusive 'IT' factor. Turns out the 'IT' factor can be over sold/bought and that measured doses of 'IT' work just as well as a guy steeped in 'IT', Frye, but who can't play/produce like DA. Take away Frye and DA suddenly has leadership question erased.

2. The other major weakness I saw last year was durabilty because DA only had three starts last year and ended up on IR by the time his third stat was over. DA's visit to the turf was a direct result of him going to the IR and his lack of an offensive line was a direct result of him eating turf. Offensive line fixed, DA's durabilty question erased.

Derek Anderson is NOT going to be traded kiddies, not if he continues playing as he has been. Also Brady Quinn isn't going to be moved unless someone offers an incredible package or a tremendous opportunity presents itself to the Browns. The salary cap hit would be significant since he got a signing bonus exceeding $8 million on top of whatever base salary he has. NFL teams need two decent QBs. Quinn 'could' be moved if the Browns are confident they can land a backup/developmental guy in FA or the draft but that is faaaaaaaaaaaar out into the future. DA has to continue producing/developing as he has AND stay healthy. Quinn 'hopefully' will get some PT later in the season in garbage time but neither of them are going ANYWHERE as things stand right now, ESPECIALLY Derek Anderson. Anyone who thinks a restricted FA QB who is playing like DA is now, with his physical abilities, is allowed to walk is out of their freaking minds or shouldn't be in the shark pool.

As per Minny and Quinn? Take a gander at today's wire story on the slow development of the QB taken as the first pick in last year's draft, Jamarcus Russell.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...eed=rss.raiders

... With a third straight loss and the 2-5 club sinking steadily in the AFC West, however, the waiting game officially has started on when rookie JaMarcus Russell will get his chance.

Coach Lane Kiffin repeatedly has said he'll play Russell when he thinks Russell gives the team the best chance to win of all his quarterbacks. Because the club has invested millions in its top draft pick, Kiffin was asked Monday how much weight he gives to preparing Russell for the future, that is, even though he might not be as effective immediately as Culpepper or Josh McCown.

Kiffin said planning for the future was a consideration, "but there's also protecting the future because I also believe if you put someone in, especially at that position, and he's not prepared the way he should be prepared ... it can go the other way."

The way his offensive line played Sunday in the 13-9 loss to the Titans, maybe it's just as well that Russell isn't expected to play soon. Otherwise, he might be running for his life just as Culpepper was, and Russell also might have known the frustration of having some of his best passes erased by false starts (Oakland had six) or holding penalties (three).

"Just because you play doesn't make you a better player," Kiffin said. "There are guys who can go through really bad experiences, and you have to deal with that."

A quarterback who can't make the right adjustments in the huddle, for instance, to call for extra pass protection would be vulnerable to even more sacks than Culpepper endured in Nashville (five), or he might be prone to interceptions, Kiffin said.

"Now all of a sudden, you've got to go rebuild him from a guy who has been successful his whole career. ... You've got to rebuild him from him doubting himself. It's a lot more valuable to play a guy when he's ready to play as opposed to just throwing a guy in and letting him make mistakes."

A guy like Jamarcus Russell, taken with the FIRST PICK in last year's draft, widely considered to be the best QB prospect isn't anywhere ready to take over. A guy like Brady Quinn is already signed. He's been through an NFL training camp/preseason and will have a full season and off season under his belt and may even get some PT or possibly even a start should something befall Derek Anderson. Any potential trade discussion with the Vikes would have to 'start' with Minnesota's first round pick or DT/DE Kevin Williams. The Vikes are loaded on their D-Line and Williams could be moved. A starting NFL QB for a DT/DE whom a team has gotten years of service for and who carries a hefty price tag for a bargain priced QB is an excellent return on investment, especially considering the Vikings could throw in their first or second round pick into the mix to seal the deal and still come away with a replacement for Williams in next year's draft AND also land a genuine starting caliber NFL QB. The grandiose talent of RB Adrian Peterson and the huge investment in that offensive line with Bryant McKinnie/Steve Hutchison, not to mention WR Sidney Rice, will all go to waste unless the Vikes get a genuine starting caliber NFL QB as thier trigger man. Tavarius Jackson isn't the guy and any rookie is subject to slow development meaning the Vikings wouldn't get any production from their QB position for another two years at best. Quinn came in as the most well-prepared rookie QB in ages. He can play right now. ANY team would be slathering to get production from a young QB instead of waiting years to hope and see IF they'll get any sort of return on their investment. Quinn is the real deal. No NFL team trades a talent like Brady Quinn on the cheap so the OPENING of trade talks would be the Vikes first rounder and/or Kevin Williams before they could progress.

Wow DA> Drew Brees I think we are getting way ahead of ourselves. Dudes played in 8 games so far many against very poor defenses---Rams, Bengals, Dolphins---let us see what he does the rest of the year before we induct into the hall of fame.

 

[cartel]

for Quinn to get a start now Anderson would have to involved in a tragic blimp accident.

Note to Browns, keep Anderson 50 ft from Romeo at all times.As good as DA has been, he has some obvious limitations.1) He doesn't comprehend the whole offense. (but he's getting better.)2) He doesn't make reads very well at the LOS. (but he's getting better.)3) He locks on the #1 read way too much. (not getting any better yet.)4) He doesn't manage the game well. (but he's getting a little better.)5) He forces the ball too much. (this is the one that could kill him, he's gotten a little better, but a team with good DB's will kill him on #3 and #5)That being said, DA will most likely get the highest tender as a restricted FA next year. Unless he shows great improvement on his flaws, I think the Browns look to trade him in a year where a lot of teams are looking for QB's.

This is good stuff. The key here is the Browns FINALLY have a very nice offensive line. Anderson has a clean jersey after every game. A good OC (like the Browns currently have) can make a lot of quarterbacks look good when the QB can stand there and pick apart the defense. They can put him in a position to do the things he does best. But the same could be said for Quinn. Quinn wouldn't get hit behind this line, either. The Browns can put Quinn in the best position to succeed as an NFL QB behind that line. And the bottom line is that Brady Quinn is more talented than Anderson. The Browns should be able to take the offense up a few notches higher with Quinn.

A line means a whole lot. Ask Bulger, Brees and Palmer

 

[BusterTBronco]

Does the name "Billy Volek" mean anything to you?

 

[TommyGilmore]

Does the name "Billy Volek" mean anything to you?

I think he's already been mentioned but I can't remember because there are so many Derek Anderson threads that my head is starting to spin.

 

[[scooter]]

Does the name "Billy Volek" mean anything to you?

Yep

 

[Fallerjw]

DA has been playing pretty well, but today's game showed me again why I'm not 100% sold on him. I still really believe that Quinn will end up being the better option in the long run.

The first pass of the game....what was he thinking? You can't stand in the pocket and throw the ball to a spot on the field that nobody is close to.

The first INT. Yes, Tim Carter needs to run a better route, but that was not a good pass.

The fumble. OK, you can't mess up a snap. Then when you try to recover it, you can't knock the ball to the other team.

The 2nd INT. He was triple covered for crying out loud!!

Under a minute to go, no time outs left....I think I'll scramble, and stay in bounds.

He did have plenty of good plays, but he also had other less obvious bad plays. I love that he's keeping the Browns competitive, but I think Quinn will end up as the long term starter in Cleveland.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

DA has been playing pretty well, but today's game showed me again why I'm not 100% sold on him.

For me its not a question of being 100% sold on him. I'm 100% sold on both guys already. I think Derek Anderson is a starting NFL QB. Possibly a very good one. I think Brady Quinn will be better. Both of these guys will be good. One has to nitpick to choose one over the other, but I don't think that can be confused with thinking one of them will be a bust.

 

[Fallerjw]

DA has been playing pretty well, but today's game showed me again why I'm not 100% sold on him.

For me its not a question of being 100% sold on him. I'm 100% sold on both guys already. I think Derek Anderson is a starting NFL QB. Possibly a very good one. I think Brady Quinn will be better. Both of these guys will be good. One has to nitpick to choose one over the other, but I don't think that can be confused with thinking one of them will be a bust.

OK, you said something closer to what I meant. I think DA is definitely a starter, but I think Quinn will be better. I think long term he'll be the Browns QB. I hope the Browns are able to keep DA also, but if they can't, I hope they get something for him.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

DA has been playing pretty well, but today's game showed me again why I'm not 100% sold on him.

For me its not a question of being 100% sold on him. I'm 100% sold on both guys already. I think Derek Anderson is a starting NFL QB. Possibly a very good one. I think Brady Quinn will be better. Both of these guys will be good. One has to nitpick to choose one over the other, but I don't think that can be confused with thinking one of them will be a bust.

OK, you said something closer to what I meant. I think DA is definitely a starter, but I think Quinn will be better. I think long term he'll be the Browns QB. I hope the Browns are able to keep DA also, but if they can't, I hope they get something for him.

In a strange sort of way I don't think its possible for the Browns to make a wrong move. Whichever one of these two QBs they pick will be successful. But I'd pick Quinn.

 

[Fallerjw]

DA has been playing pretty well, but today's game showed me again why I'm not 100% sold on him.

For me its not a question of being 100% sold on him. I'm 100% sold on both guys already. I think Derek Anderson is a starting NFL QB. Possibly a very good one. I think Brady Quinn will be better. Both of these guys will be good. One has to nitpick to choose one over the other, but I don't think that can be confused with thinking one of them will be a bust.

OK, you said something closer to what I meant. I think DA is definitely a starter, but I think Quinn will be better. I think long term he'll be the Browns QB. I hope the Browns are able to keep DA also, but if they can't, I hope they get something for him.

In a strange sort of way I don't think its possible for the Browns to make a wrong move. Whichever one of these two QBs they pick will be successful. But I'd pick Quinn.

I would too. I hope they can either keep both, or at worst, get a first round pick for the one they get rid of. Part of me is hoping Anderson goes somewhere for a 1st and 3rd rounder.....

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm hearing how Cleveland has a "good problem" having these 2 QBs on the roster.

I don't see it. If the Browns knew then what they know now about DA, would they still take Quinn? Doubtful. A player you NEED helping you at another position on the field trumps a guy you may or may not need who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

 

[Slinger]

who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Quinn is not taking a huge chuck/chunk of the cap space because he doesn't get paid unless he plays as stated in his contract.

 

[Raider Nation]

who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Quinn is not taking a huge chuck/chunk of the cap space because he doesn't get paid unless he plays as stated in his contract.

So basically, he's crying himself to sleep tonight.

 

[Slinger]

who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Quinn is not taking a huge chuck/chunk of the cap space because he doesn't get paid unless he plays as stated in his contract.

So basically, he's crying himself to sleep tonight.

 

[MAC_32]

I'm hearing how Cleveland has a "good problem" having these 2 QBs on the roster.

I don't see it. If the Browns knew then what they know now about DA, would they still take Quinn? Doubtful. A player you NEED helping you at another position on the field trumps a guy you may or may not need who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Umm, well, yes. The problem is no one had any idea DA could produce numbers like he did this year. He looked awful in camp, so bad he was almost cut. QB was a problem and unanimously agreed upon. So the Browns are now stupid for drafting Quinn? Sounds like a pretty poorly thought out opinion to me. He's still a better QB than anybody coming out this year. The Browns now can re-evaluate their situation throughout 08 without fearing losing DA, if he proves to be the real deal, on the back end of the season. If someone had ponied up a 1st and a 3rd for him I'd have been upset if we turned it down, no one did so I am happy to see we signed him instead of slapping him with the tender only.

 

[The Man With No Name]

who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Quinn is not taking a huge chuck/chunk of the cap space because he doesn't get paid unless he plays as stated in his contract.

So basically, he's crying himself to sleep tonight.

Yes, and based on some of the contracts the backup qb's have been getting, he's probably in the bottom third in pay among backup qb's.

 

[Raider Nation]

I'm hearing how Cleveland has a "good problem" having these 2 QBs on the roster.

I don't see it. If the Browns knew then what they know now about DA, would they still take Quinn? Doubtful. A player you NEED helping you at another position on the field trumps a guy you may or may not need who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Umm, well, yes. The problem is no one had any idea DA could produce numbers like he did this year. He looked awful in camp, so bad he was almost cut. QB was a problem and unanimously agreed upon. So the Browns are now stupid for drafting Quinn? Sounds like a pretty poorly thought out opinion to me. He's still a better QB than anybody coming out this year. The Browns now can re-evaluate their situation throughout 08 without fearing losing DA, if he proves to be the real deal, on the back end of the season. If someone had ponied up a 1st and a 3rd for him I'd have been upset if we turned it down, no one did so I am happy to see we signed him instead of slapping him with the tender only.

I was probably unclear.My biggest issue is with the people claiming this is a good situation. Solomon Wilcots being the most recent, on Total Access tonight. I don't blame the Browns for drafting him, but I do believe they should trade him to the Vikings or some other team who is in need of a QB. I realize over 60 QBs started a game in the NFL last season, but I don't see Anderson as a big injury risk. He's not a scrambler, and he's a big kid. Cleveland could move Quinn, address another immediate need, and coast into the playoffs.

 

[Max Power]

Personally, I think it would be in Clevelands best intrests to move one of the QBs.

No picks in the first three rounds, and while the D improved, it wasn't by much. Still just a boarderline playoff team in the AFC.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I'm hearing how Cleveland has a "good problem" having these 2 QBs on the roster.

I don't see it. If the Browns knew then what they know now about DA, would they still take Quinn? Doubtful. A player you NEED helping you at another position on the field trumps a guy you may or may not need who is holding a clipboard a taking up a huge chuck of cap space.

Umm, well, yes. The problem is no one had any idea DA could produce numbers like he did this year. He looked awful in camp, so bad he was almost cut. QB was a problem and unanimously agreed upon. So the Browns are now stupid for drafting Quinn? Sounds like a pretty poorly thought out opinion to me. He's still a better QB than anybody coming out this year. The Browns now can re-evaluate their situation throughout 08 without fearing losing DA, if he proves to be the real deal, on the back end of the season. If someone had ponied up a 1st and a 3rd for him I'd have been upset if we turned it down, no one did so I am happy to see we signed him instead of slapping him with the tender only.

I was probably unclear.My biggest issue is with the people claiming this is a good situation. Solomon Wilcots being the most recent, on Total Access tonight. I don't blame the Browns for drafting him, but I do believe they should trade him to the Vikings or some other team who is in need of a QB. I realize over 60 QBs started a game in the NFL last season, but I don't see Anderson as a big injury risk. He's not a scrambler, and he's a big kid. Cleveland could move Quinn, address another immediate need, and coast into the playoffs.

Ever notice how people won't pay $X to see a sports event or a concert, but if given a free ticket, generally won't sell it for $X, or even $1.5X or $2X? Same philosophy at play here.(That, and the Browns don't want to have egg on their face if Anderson gets hurt.)