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How do I play Blackjack? (1 Viewer)

I'll give you another very, very basic analogy.

Let's say I'm holding 3 cards. One is an Ace, the other is a King, and the other is a queen. You are at a 3 person table and we are playing a game where each of you gets to draw one card and the player that draws the Ace wins the pot. Does the order in which you draw the cards have any statistical influence on your expected value in a hand?

Assume all money is in the pot before any players draw and assume the game is on the level.

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You can't compare poker to blackjack. Every game has different odds and every individual casino adjusts there rules to help keep those odds in their corner.

For instance, taking insurance is really in the houses favor. Some casinos offer even money. Do you think that they do that because they are being nice? No, it is in their favor.

Some casinos hit on 17 but win all ties. The list goes on and on.
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That's not a poker example. It's simple gaming theory.

I'll invent a new game. I have 3 cards in my hand. 1 is an ace. 1 is a King. 1 is a Queen. 3 people sit at the table and each put a buck in the pot. The player that draws the ace gets $2.75. That's about as simple a game as I can think of involving cards. I'm asking you if what card you get (the first one, second one, or third one) has any statistical influence on your hand. The very obvious answer is no.
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You cannot tell me that the players have nothing to do with the way the game goes. If you have a player taking the dealers 10 consistantly when they shouldn't then that will affect the outcome.
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Let's do this the hard way.Single deck. First hand after the shuffle, dealing off the top of the deck.

Dealer's upcard is the five of clubs.

Player A has ten of clubs, six of diamonds. Player A stands.

Player B has king of hearts, four of spades.

Player A needs the dealer to bust.

1. What are the odds that the dealer will bust if Player B hits?

2. What are the odds that the dealer will bust if Player B stands?

I will tell you ahead of time that the answer to number one will be exactly equal to the answer to number two -- not only for this set of problems, but for any similar problems. The answer for whether A will win any particular hand will always be the same no matter what Players B or C or D do. Always.

You don't have to take my word for it. Go ahead and do the math for the above problem (or any other) by hand and see what results you get.

 
I'll give you another very, very basic analogy.

Let's say I'm holding 3 cards. One is an Ace, the other is a King, and the other is a queen. You are at a 3 person table and we are playing a game where each of you gets to draw one card and the player that draws the Ace wins the pot. Does the order in which you draw the cards have any statistical influence on your expected value in a hand?

Assume all money is in the pot before any players draw and assume the game is on the level.

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You can't compare poker to blackjack. Every game has different odds and every individual casino adjusts there rules to help keep those odds in their corner.

For instance, taking insurance is really in the houses favor. Some casinos offer even money. Do you think that they do that because they are being nice? No, it is in their favor.

Some casinos hit on 17 but win all ties. The list goes on and on.
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Guys, we could argue back and forth all night. Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.

 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.

 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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Just gotta laugh :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: What the hell is wrong with us? We have been back and forth for way too long.Anyhow, hope to talk to you guys about something diff. next time. Good Night!

 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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Just gotta laugh :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: What the hell is wrong with us? We have been back and forth for way too long.Anyhow, hope to talk to you guys about something diff. next time. Good Night!
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Math is serious business. ;)
 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.
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Told ya that it would piss people off....you just proved that point for me. Thanks!
 
Actually should just use the coin-flip example. Does it make any difference if you flip or call? The people who berate other players for taking away a bust card or whatever are just as ignorant as people who don't understand that coin-flip question.

 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.
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Told ya that it would piss people off....you just proved that point for me. Thanks!
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but the people getting pissed off are such dooshes that them getting pissed off is not a negative thing.
 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.
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Told ya that it would piss people off....you just proved that point for me. Thanks!
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but the people getting pissed off are such dooshes that them getting pissed off is not a negative thing.
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And you're intitled to that opinion.......How about those Steelers? Back to back SB champs?
 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
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Just gotta laugh :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: What the hell is wrong with us? We have been back and forth for way too long.Anyhow, hope to talk to you guys about something diff. next time. Good Night!
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Math is serious business. ;)
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Yes, but drinking and having fun on a vacation is of more importance.
 
Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
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That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.
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Told ya that it would piss people off....you just proved that point for me. Thanks!
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but the people getting pissed off are such dooshes that them getting pissed off is not a negative thing.
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And you're intitled to that opinion.......How about those Steelers? Back to back SB champs?
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Sure, but it'll proboably take the refs screwing the NFC representitive in consecutive years. :popcorn:

 
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Math is math and yes, I understand that you have a system based on that but none of that is going to matter to the majority of gamblers that have been playing common strategies for years. It would just piss them off, giving the fact that most people do not play that way.
Click to expand...
That's fine. If your point is that ignorant people might be upset for no good reason, we won't argue.But when you argue that Player B's action does affect Player A's expectation, that's different. And it's provably incorrect.
Click to expand...
:goodposting: This really is a pet-peeve of mine when I do play black-jack. It's not my game of choice and is usually basically a time-wasting activity with some friends. Seeing some guy go ballistic over another player's action is ridiculous.

Steelerchick,

Anybody with an understanding of basic math thinks the guy going ballistic is 10X's the bigger doosh than the guy who just doesn't know how to play because he doesn't know how to play either and for some reason thinks he does and thinks this qualifies him to act like an ### towards another person whose money is just as good as his.
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Told ya that it would piss people off....you just proved that point for me. Thanks!
Click to expand...
but the people getting pissed off are such dooshes that them getting pissed off is not a negative thing.
Click to expand...
And you're intitled to that opinion.......How about those Steelers? Back to back SB champs?
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Sure, but it'll proboably take the refs screwing the NFC representitive in consecutive years. :popcorn:
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The funny part is that if I remember correctly, the Steelers got screwed a few times during the playoffs esp. the TP interception in the Indy game and they still managed to get to Detroit. The officiating was not up to par this year and that was the case in alot of games throughout the season.
 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=235326

Hopefully the results are funny.  If more than 20% of the people get it wrong I'll be posting an "is the Earth flat" poll.
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Hey Wise Guy,Talk later :bye:
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Will you be posting pics anytime soon? Pretty sure that's required of "female" members of this site. :popcorn:
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Sure! The pic will be of me, I promise.
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BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=235326

Hopefully the results are funny.  If more than 20% of the people get it wrong I'll be posting an "is the Earth flat" poll.
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Hey Wise Guy,Talk later :bye:
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Will you be posting pics anytime soon? Pretty sure that's required of "female" members of this site. :popcorn:
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Sure! The pic will be of me, I promise.
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BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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:thumbup: We're here to help.

 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=235326

Hopefully the results are funny.  If more than 20% of the people get it wrong I'll be posting an "is the Earth flat" poll.
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Hey Wise Guy,Talk later :bye:
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Will you be posting pics anytime soon? Pretty sure that's required of "female" members of this site. :popcorn:
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Sure! The pic will be of me, I promise.
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BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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:thumbup: We're here to help.
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You guys are awesome! Good night for real this time.....talk soon.
 
BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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The guys here will kill me for saying this, but posting a pic is not actually required. Just highly appreciated. :thumbup:
 
BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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The guys here will kill me for saying this, but posting a pic is not actually required. Just highly appreciated. :thumbup:
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:hot:
 
BTW, I have played FFLs for just as long as I have been a dealer and I have been a member of footballguys for 1 1/2 yrs and I have never heard that I was required to post a pic. It must be just for the msg board. I will get the pic on ASAP. Thanks for the info.
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The guys here will kill me for saying this, but posting a pic is not actually required. Just highly appreciated. :thumbup:
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:hot:
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Here's my picture....hope I am not too late.
 
What do you want to know, guy? There are plenty of posts in here that link to or outline blackjack basic strategy. It takes about 5 minutes to memorize the chart and as has been said in most cases they'll let you take the damn thing to the table with you and just look off of it.

 
What do you want to know, guy? There are plenty of posts in here that link to or outline blackjack basic strategy. It takes about 5 minutes to memorize the chart and as has been said in most cases they'll let you take the damn thing to the table with you and just look off of it.
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:goodposting:
 
VA703 said:
just reading up on some of this useful info

heres a good online tool I found that will give you pointers if you make a mistake

and it works at work too !

http://www.hitorstand.net/game_l.html
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I missed two.

The first was because I tried to double after the third card (had an 11). It gave me the option so I figured it would let me. Pretty bogus to count that as an incorrect answer.

The second was when I was dealt a soft 20 (A-9) and the dealer had a 6 up. I will sometimes double in this situation because it's fun and I can't believe the odds are all that much against me. It's gotta be really close. But I know it's "wrong."

 
Smack Tripper said:
seeing more casinos pay 6 to 5 on black jack now
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They've done this in Vegas the past few years I've been out. You can generally avoid this by finding a $50 or higher double deck game. The first time I noticed the trend it was in single deck low limit games. I have noticed now that shoe games are being brought in. It goes without saying to avoid those games.

 
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