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How do you define a "white supremacist" (1 Viewer)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
Ok thanks. Ideology is a political construct that is based on a defining set of principles. So for instance a conservative is defined by lowering taxes and a liberal is defined by expanding civil rights. Those are two ideologies. You understand that, right? 
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So now that I've read this...can I say I'm more sophisticated?

I love this board!!!

 
supermike80 said:
So what's the difference between a racist and a supremacist?
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I view supremacists to be more organized and more likely to think their beliefs should be exercised politically.  They would probably be more likely to use violence although I don't view that as a requirement like you mentioned.

I'm certainly no expert on this.  Others probably could explain this better.

 
Juxtatarot said:
I view supremacists to be more organized and more likely to think their beliefs should be exercised politically.  They would probably be more likely to use violence although I don't view that as a requirement like you mentioned.

I'm certainly no expert on this.  Others probably could explain this better.
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Great thought.  And yeah I guess I wouldnt say violence is an absolute.  I do see it as a definite.  If you are violent with your racism,  i do see that as a qualifier.  

I think the organization is a good point. 

But then do we say an organization like a golf club that doesnt allow blacks is supremacist by design?

 
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supermike80 said:
So what is the ideological difference between a racist and a supremacist ?

Try to answer if you can.

It's only your opinion. 
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There is no "ideological difference" between the two...that's not how the words work with one another.

supermike80 said:
So what's the difference between a racist and a supremacist?
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This isn't subjective by any measure (why I am not going by my opinions, because opinions don't overrule facts).  Supremacists base their position on racism.  One can't think their race in this case is superior to nothing.  It has to be superior to some other race they are comparing it to.  The reasons they give you will be racist (that's the definition of racism).  This is not opinion, this is fact....that's how these words work with each other.  Anything you dump on top of this construct or project towards this construct is irrelevant to the question you have asked several times and I have bolded above.

 
The Commish said:
There is no "ideological difference" between the two...that's not how the words work with one another.

This isn't subjective by any measure (why I am not going by my opinions, because opinions don't overrule facts).  Supremacists base their position on racism.  One can't think their race in this case is superior to nothing.  It has to be superior to some other race they are comparing it to.  The reasons they give you will be racist (that's the definition of racism).  This is not opinion, this is fact....that's how these words work with each other.  Anything you dump on top of this construct or project towards this construct is irrelevant to the question you have asked several times and I have bolded above.
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So whats the difference?  There isn't one?  Same thing essentially?

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
:IBTL: This is not a serious discussion.
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Totally not true.     I really asked and am curious what you all think. It seems many don't really think at all, but that's not unusual for this board.

If you notice, which I am sure you haven't...I have replied to a real comment on the issue.  I think it's an interesting topic.  

I do think the idea that going from thoughts to actions is a good dividing line.  But there is a distinction right?  I think of course there is.

 
supermike80 said:
The Commish said:
There is no "ideological difference" between the two...that's not how the words work with one another.

This isn't subjective by any measure (why I am not going by my opinions, because opinions don't overrule facts).  Supremacists base their position on racism.  One can't think their race in this case is superior to nothing.  It has to be superior to some other race they are comparing it to.  The reasons they give you will be racist (that's the definition of racism).  This is not opinion, this is fact....that's how these words work with each other.  Anything you dump on top of this construct or project towards this construct is irrelevant to the question you have asked several times and I have bolded above.
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So whats the difference?  There isn't one?  Same thing essentially?
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I just told you the difference.  Racism is the foundation upon which white supremacy is based.  To say differently, white supremacy is a product of racism.  Can't have it without being racist.  It's like asking what the difference between a car engine and a car is.

 
The Commish said:
I just told you the difference.  Racism is the foundation upon which white supremacy is based.  To say differently, white supremacy is a product of racism.  Can't have it without being racist.  It's like asking what the difference between a car engine and a car is.
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TOTALLY agree.....Completely. I don't think you can be a supremacist without being a racist. Was that your point?

 
supermike80 said:
TOTALLY agree.....Completely. I don't think you can be a supremacist without being a racist. Was that your point?
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I wasn't making a point.  I was telling you the differences between the two (the question you've asked at least 6 times in this thread).  

 
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The Commish said:
I wasn't making a point.  I was telling you the differences between the two (the question you've asked at least 6 times in this thread).  
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But you really didn't.  You said one cannot exist without the other.  That I get..Not arguing it.  The question is when does it go from being racism to being supremacy?  Or are they one in the same in your opinion.

 
Supremacists think their race is superior to all other races or specific other races.  I think it's as simple as that.

 
supermike80 said:
But you really didn't.  You said one cannot exist without the other.  That I get..Not arguing it.  The question is when does it go from being racism to being supremacy?  Or are they one in the same in your opinion.
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I did (and it's not opinion....it's how words work):

Supremacists base their position on racism.  One can't think their race in this case is superior to nothing.  It has to be superior to some other race they are comparing it to.
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So when the answer to their "why are you discriminating against race X?" is "because I think my race is superior", you now have a Supremacist.  If the answer is "because I think they are lazy and don't work as hard as other races....." or somesuch, that's not a supremacist position necessarily.  Seriously, this isn't all that complicated.

 
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The Commish said:
I did (and it's not opinion....it's how words work):

So when the answer to their "why are you discriminating against race X?" is "because I think my race is superior", you now have a Supremacist.  If the answer is "because I think they are lazy and don't work as hard as other races....." or somesuch, that's not a supremacist position necessarily.  Seriously, this isn't all that complicated.
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Ah..Yes...good point and I think that's fair. So a person can dislike all other races, for whatever reasons he or she has for it, but as long as he or she doesn't think his or her race is superior, then he or she is just a racist and not a supremacist.    Interesting

 
The Commish said:
There is no "ideological difference" between the two...that's not how the words work with one another.

This isn't subjective by any measure (why I am not going by my opinions, because opinions don't overrule facts).  Supremacists base their position on racism.  One can't think their race in this case is superior to nothing.  It has to be superior to some other race they are comparing it to.  The reasons they give you will be racist (that's the definition of racism).  This is not opinion, this is fact....that's how these words work with each other.  Anything you dump on top of this construct or project towards this construct is irrelevant to the question you have asked several times and I have bolded above.
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Having traveled quite a bit I believe there are so called supremacists everywhere.  China and Japan for sure as Asian supremacists.  Never been to the ME but there would be Arab supremacists there. African nations would have some black supremacists.  Really do not think any race is without some people who feel that way.

 
Summer Wheat said:
Having traveled quite a bit I believe there are so called supremacists everywhere.  China and Japan for sure as Asian supremacists.  Never been to the ME but there would be Arab supremacists there. African nations would have some black supremacists.  Really do not think any race is without some people who feel that way.
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My experience as well....

 
Summer Wheat said:
Having traveled quite a bit I believe there are so called supremacists everywhere.  China and Japan for sure as Asian supremacists.  Never been to the ME but there would be Arab supremacists there. African nations would have some black supremacists.  Really do not think any race is without some people who feel that way.
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What's an "Arab supremacist"?

 
joffer said:
What's an "Arab supremacist"?
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That would be a person of Arabian descent who has an ideology which holds that their certain class of people is superior to others, and that they should dominate, control, and subjugate others, and are entitled to do so.

 
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