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How Does Matt Barkley Fit In Philadelphia? (1 Viewer)

Long Ball Larry said:
Arm strength is poor. Someone could prove me wrong with the stats, but based on watching the game, pretty much all of the passes he completed were 10 yards or less. Guy is dropping snaps and fumbling. Just looks feeble, though to be fair he may have been better than Foles the week before.
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2 turnovers < 0 turnovers
 
JetMaxx said:
Do you love Foles or hate Barkley? I ask because on the surface blasting the Barkley pick seemingly shows you have no clue of how value/BPA based drafting works on the NFL level. I'm higher on Foles than most but love the Barkley pick in the 4th based upon upside alone.
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I know how talent works..,
 
ShaHBucks said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Arm strength is poor. Someone could prove me wrong with the stats, but based on watching the game, pretty much all of the passes he completed were 10 yards or less. Guy is dropping snaps and fumbling. Just looks feeble, though to be fair he may have been better than Foles the week before.
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2 turnovers < 0 turnovers
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At least Barkley was trying to make a few more plays, especially against Dallas. If all you are going to do is throw 3 yard passes all the time, 0 turnovers isn't helping that much.

 
Insein said:
Raider Nation said:
Insein said:
He'll be getting one this week. Foles not ready.
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How do you know this?

(I hope you're right, believe me.... just wondering)
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Been hearing that they rushed Vick back because Foles concussion was worse than they thought. Now Vick seems even more screwed up with the Hammy. Foles could be a long way off with the concussion.
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SHOCKING, I tell you, that Foles has been cleared to play!

:mellow:

 
Barkley need to dial it in and play more safe and mechanical. He's to inaccurate and turnover prone to try and force things on this level.

 
Raider Nation said:
Insein said:
Raider Nation said:
Insein said:
He'll be getting one this week. Foles not ready.
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How do you know this?

(I hope you're right, believe me.... just wondering)
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Been hearing that they rushed Vick back because Foles concussion was worse than they thought. Now Vick seems even more screwed up with the Hammy. Foles could be a long way off with the concussion.
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SHOCKING, I tell you, that Foles has been cleared to play!

:mellow:
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Meh, I need better sources in the local media to listen to. They were talking like the concussion was a multi week thing and now he's back. Either way, I'm happy. I get to start him over Alex Smith now.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Chip Kelly reiterated that he remains high on Matt Barkley.

"I'm excited to get a full offseason with Matt in here to really get a chance to work with him because I think he's got a skill set that's exciting when you see him, how the ball comes out of his hands, the decisions that he makes," Kelly said. Barkley was a deer in the headlights in his two appearances as a rookie, tossing four interceptions to zero touchdowns, but he's going to have a chance to earn No. 2 duties in 2014 with Michael Vick a free agent.


Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
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Rotoworld:

Philly Mag considers Matt Barkley the leading candidate to be the Eagles No. 2 quarterback in 2014.

Michael Vick once said he'd be willing to return as Nick Foles' backup, but he's since backpedaled on that. Vick is the top quarterback available in free agency and should get a chance to compete for a starting job elsewhere. Barkley and G.J. Kinne are the only other quarterbacks on the Eagles roster behind Foles. Coach Chip Kelly recently said he remains high on Barkley.


Source: Philly Mag: Birds 24/7
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Sabertooth said:
Not 2QB leagues. But I agree I wouldn't hold him in a normal league.
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I dont play Dynasty so take this FWIW--I wouldnt drop him until I saw or heard something about him looking bad and not being the #2 QB. If he looks good in camp than again in pre-seaon and wins the #2 job you have to hold him IMO

 
He might be an interesting talent and could develop to play well elsewhere, but since this seems to be Foles' team I don't see how he holds much dynasty value.

Roughly 60 QBs get a start each year due to injuries, so you could use that to say he might get one and Foles might get dinged, but by the same token you can probably pickup a backup and do that.

I'd rather the roster spot

 
Have a cookie.

ETA: Also just noticed that you're averaging about 19 posts a month over 11 years (and most of those posts were you begging people to tell you which players to start.... LOL). Hard to be wrong when you never contribute anything.

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Matt Barkley will be Foles backup, and the Eagles will likely draft a QB in the later rounds. Still Making Barkley nearly worthless in standard formats.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Matt Barkley was a waste of a pick. He will never beat out Nick Foles in a competition. He has way more flaws and limitations than Foles. If there was a legit competition for the starting job in the preseason last year Vick would have lost to a rookie. I sound like a broken tape, Foles averaged 20ppg in his last 4 starts. Outside of the Eagles thread he gets no love. When you watch the film he made players relevant, unlike Vick. The offense didn't stall and even Alex Henry got a chance at some fg's. he did all his dirt with a backup O-Line, backup skill players, a sorry defense and a lame duck coach. I know you're on record saying Foles isn't that good but he is a really accurate passer and gets the ball out quick. The cherry on top is he ran a uptempo offense at Arizona. I'm tired of hearing about Chip Kelly's system. He tips his plays like Madden tournament players, ok... His offense is no better than any other offense. The only difference is the pace and number of plays called. He's like Mike D'Antoni. Let a Steve Nash lead Offense shoot with a lot of time left on the shot clock and you'll score a lot of points. Seems brilliant on the surface but when you break it down all he did was run pick and rolls all game and shoot 3's more frequently with really efficient players. It has more to do with the players than a magical system. Unless Kelly is blowing smoke, I like his theory of being a equal opportunity offense. All he cares about is putting the ball in the end zone. Doesn't matter if he has to pass 50x or run 50x. He's basically saying in every predraft interview that if you give me Tom Brady I will throw all game and I don't need a running QB. That's like if Kelly got the NE job he would trade Brady because he doesn't fit his system. That would be dumb. That was when I start buying Foles on the cheap because he could lead the next fast pace offense. Barkley can succeed for short stretches because of the run game and o-line can mask his deficiencies but sooner or later he will get exposed as a passer. The hope is there because unlike Ried, Kelly won't ask Vick, or someone like Barkley, to throw 50x a game. a Vick/Barkley lead offense will struggle and i would shy away from all Eagles if that happens. Actually I'd go all in on Shady/Brown because his game plans are based on personnel.
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Have to give props for this post.

 
Tool said:
ShaHBucks said:
Matt Barkley was a waste of a pick. He will never beat out Nick Foles in a competition. He has way more flaws and limitations than Foles. If there was a legit competition for the starting job in the preseason last year Vick would have lost to a rookie. I sound like a broken tape, Foles averaged 20ppg in his last 4 starts. Outside of the Eagles thread he gets no love. When you watch the film he made players relevant, unlike Vick. The offense didn't stall and even Alex Henry got a chance at some fg's. he did all his dirt with a backup O-Line, backup skill players, a sorry defense and a lame duck coach. I know you're on record saying Foles isn't that good but he is a really accurate passer and gets the ball out quick. The cherry on top is he ran a uptempo offense at Arizona. I'm tired of hearing about Chip Kelly's system. He tips his plays like Madden tournament players, ok... His offense is no better than any other offense. The only difference is the pace and number of plays called. He's like Mike D'Antoni. Let a Steve Nash lead Offense shoot with a lot of time left on the shot clock and you'll score a lot of points. Seems brilliant on the surface but when you break it down all he did was run pick and rolls all game and shoot 3's more frequently with really efficient players. It has more to do with the players than a magical system. Unless Kelly is blowing smoke, I like his theory of being a equal opportunity offense. All he cares about is putting the ball in the end zone. Doesn't matter if he has to pass 50x or run 50x. He's basically saying in every predraft interview that if you give me Tom Brady I will throw all game and I don't need a running QB. That's like if Kelly got the NE job he would trade Brady because he doesn't fit his system. That would be dumb. That was when I start buying Foles on the cheap because he could lead the next fast pace offense. Barkley can succeed for short stretches because of the run game and o-line can mask his deficiencies but sooner or later he will get exposed as a passer. The hope is there because unlike Ried, Kelly won't ask Vick, or someone like Barkley, to throw 50x a game. a Vick/Barkley lead offense will struggle and i would shy away from all Eagles if that happens. Actually I'd go all in on Shady/Brown because his game plans are based on personnel.
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Have to give props for this post.
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Wow. Talk about right on the $$.

 
Terpman22 said:
FUBAR said:
What happens to Vick now?
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He plays for the Raiders, Jaguars or Vikings. Initially said he could see himself being the backup in Philly, but methinks he is too proud for that. And the $$ will/should be better.
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yeah, i really doubt he'll be back in philly - unless noone wants to give him a decent shot at a starting job. but seems like someone would

 
Rotoworld:

Matt Barkley - QB - Eagles

The Philadelphia Inquirer observes G.J. Kinne has looked better than Matt Barkley at OTAs.

Barkley and Kinne are splitting snaps with the third-team offense, and Kinne has reportedly looked "more efficient." Nick Foles is running with the starters, obviously, while Mark Sanchez is handling all the reps with the twos. The Eagles are unlikely to give up on Barkley so soon, but he's not impressing in non-contact practices where quarterbacks should look like the best players on the field.

Related: G.J. Kinne

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Jun 10 - 9:57 AM
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While the selection of Barkley at the top of the 4th round last year looked (at least to me) like a no-brainer, I'm beginning to think it was a wasted pick by Kelly.

What's the deal with Barkley? Is the shoulder not healed properly yet? Is he lazy with his efforts to get better and show improvement? Does he not have the mental capacity to overshadow his physical and athletic shortcomings? Am I asking the correct questions here?

Honestly, I'd rather have Vick for another year than Sanchez behind Foles, but after that I'm ready to move on from Barkley if he doesn't show some improvement this preseason.

 
Ruffrodys05 said:
While the selection of Barkley at the top of the 4th round last year looked (at least to me) like a no-brainer, I'm beginning to think it was a wasted pick by Kelly.

What's the deal with Barkley? Is the shoulder not healed properly yet? Is he lazy with his efforts to get better and show improvement? Does he not have the mental capacity to overshadow his physical and athletic shortcomings? Am I asking the correct questions here?

Honestly, I'd rather have Vick for another year than Sanchez behind Foles, but after that I'm ready to move on from Barkley if he doesn't show some improvement this preseason.
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Reports came out when OTA's began that his should was 100%

I wouldnt look too far into the OTA action

 
Kinne look better than Barkley did last preseason. He just didn't get enough time because he was like the 10th QB in the chart. I'm not shocked at this news at all.

 
Busts happen all the time. The pick was fine. Just so happens hes worse than we thought his floor could be.

 
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/sports/eagles/Eagles-practice-observations-Foles-remains-sharp-Sanchez-inconsistent.html

Eagles practice observations: Foles remains sharp; Sanchez inconsistent

Jeff McLane

Posted: Monday, June 9, 2014, 3:55 PM

The Eagles began their third week of OTAs today. Here are some practice notes:

-- Nick Foles continued to look sharp. He wasn’t nearly as consistent as he was during the first two open practices – he tossed two interceptions during 11 on 11 drills – but he just seems much more confident running the offense than he did a year ago this time. Again a disclaimer: It’s only the spring and the players are running around in shorts without making much contact. But it’s a better scenario than, say, Foles looking as unremarkable as Mark Sanchez and Matt Barkley have. Most of his passes have been on target. And when he’s had to go through his reads you can visually see him checking from one receiver to another before finding the open guy and (usually) hitting him downfield.

-- And yet, Foles was not perfect. He was picked off by cornerback Curtis Marsh (a play I missed, but other reporters confirmed) and then by linebacker DeMeco Ryans during red zone drills. Ryans read Foles’ eyes and jumped in front of receiver Jeremy Maclin for the interception. Foles rebounded, though, and connected with tight end Brent Celek on a corner route a play or so later.

-- Sanchez was once again inconsistent. One moment he looks like he could legitimately push Foles, and then the next he looks like he should be starting a career selling headbands. To be fair, he’s still learning Chip Kelly’s offense. But he often overshot open receivers or mistakenly threw into tight spots. Cornerback Nolan Carroll (more on him later) picked off Sanchez first. There was another interception, but I couldn’t exactly pinpoint the defensive player (the practice field was quite a distance from where most of the reporters could watch from). Sanchez, who has run with the second team in every practice I’ve attended, had perhaps his best throw when he connected with receiver Will Murphy on a 25-yard-or-so corner route in the end zone.

-- Barkley has had his struggles, along with some fine moments, but he hasn’t had nearly the same number of opportunities as Foles and Sanchez. Not only is he with the third team, but he’s splitting many of the repetitions with G.J. Kinne. It’s difficult to make any bold statements about competition at this point, but Kinne has looked more efficient, in my humble opinion. The Eagles aren’t likely to give up on a fourth rounder like Barkley, but he isn’t going to be handed a roster spot. Barkley made it fairly clear two weeks ago that he didn’t like starting OTAs behind Sanchez. He isn’t likely excited about having to split snaps with the undrafted Kinne. Let’s see how he responds.

-- Barkley hooked up with undrafted rookie Quron Pratt on an intermediate throw near the sideline, but the receiver gets credit for turning him body back toward the ball and getting both feet inbounds. Later in practice, Kinne strung together back-to-back compeletions when he rolled out and hit receiver Jordan Matthews and then heaved a deep over-the-shoulder pass to tight end James Casey.
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(Rotoworld)After observing Eagles OTAs and minicamp, Philly.com's Jimmy Kempski observed that second-year QB Matt Barkley's "arm simply isn't good."

Analysis: Per Kempski, "everything (Barkley) throws has way too much air under it," which was evident on Barkley's USC tape. He was a rainbow thrower, and can't drive the ball. Kempski saw Barkley get intercepted by third-string CB Curtis Marsh in Wednesday's practice, and called the pass "just not an NFL throw." In a recap column, Kempski deemed Barkley's arm strength a "major concern," and suggested the 23-year-old may not last much longer in the league.

 
Awesome:

Eagles third-string QB Matt Barkley challenged reporter Jimmy Kempski to catch his footballs after Kempski observed during OTAs and minicamp that Barkley's "arm simply isn't good."

Our money's on Kempski here, who already accepted Barkley's challenge. "Shut up Jimmy," Barkley wrote on Reddit. "You don't know a thing about that route, the defensive coverage, technique of the wide receiver, the route he was actually running, let alone my maximum velocity arm strength. We can play catch sometime if you want to figure out for yourself how hard I can throw it, just lemme know." Barkley fell to the fourth round of last year's draft due to arm strength limitations. At spring practices, Barkley split third-team reps with G.J. Kinne.

Source: NJ.com

Jun 23 - 2:16 PM
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A+ thread got your offseason misreads, money predictions; awesome stats that I've never seen before and hilariously off bad calls.

I think a couple things are happening with Barkley who is the definition of a BPA draft pick. They leaned towards need early in and saw Barkley there and he was rated high at a position they were set at so they pulled the trigger. I think his confidence was shot by falling so far and his limited reps are really a new experience for him. I would not be surprised if he gets cut. We shall see. If he is going to be a contributing player someday he will have to work his way there.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Matt Barkley was a waste of a pick. He will never beat out Nick Foles in a competition. He has way more flaws and limitations than Foles. If there was a legit competition for the starting job in the preseason last year Vick would have lost to a rookie. I sound like a broken tape, Foles averaged 20ppg in his last 4 starts. Outside of the Eagles thread he gets no love. When you watch the film he made players relevant, unlike Vick. The offense didn't stall and even Alex Henry got a chance at some fg's. he did all his dirt with a backup O-Line, backup skill players, a sorry defense and a lame duck coach. I know you're on record saying Foles isn't that good but he is a really accurate passer and gets the ball out quick. The cherry on top is he ran a uptempo offense at Arizona. I'm tired of hearing about Chip Kelly's system. He tips his plays like Madden tournament players, ok... His offense is no better than any other offense. The only difference is the pace and number of plays called. He's like Mike D'Antoni. Let a Steve Nash lead Offense shoot with a lot of time left on the shot clock and you'll score a lot of points. Seems brilliant on the surface but when you break it down all he did was run pick and rolls all game and shoot 3's more frequently with really efficient players. It has more to do with the players than a magical system. Unless Kelly is blowing smoke, I like his theory of being a equal opportunity offense. All he cares about is putting the ball in the end zone. Doesn't matter if he has to pass 50x or run 50x. He's basically saying in every predraft interview that if you give me Tom Brady I will throw all game and I don't need a running QB. That's like if Kelly got the NE job he would trade Brady because he doesn't fit his system. That would be dumb. That was when I start buying Foles on the cheap because he could lead the next fast pace offense. Barkley can succeed for short stretches because of the run game and o-line can mask his deficiencies but sooner or later he will get exposed as a passer. The hope is there because unlike Ried, Kelly won't ask Vick, or someone like Barkley, to throw 50x a game. a Vick/Barkley lead offense will struggle and i would shy away from all Eagles if that happens. Actually I'd go all in on Shady/Brown because his game plans are based on personnel.
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So... Any players you're super high on this year? Lol.
 
Rotoworld:

Matt Barkley - QB - Eagles

Lance Zierlein of Sports Talk 790 in Houston reports the Texans tried to trade for Eagles QB Matt Barkley before acquiring Ryan Mallett from the Patriots.

Zierlein is plugged into all things Texans, so we don't doubt its validity. The Philadelphia News and Inquirer reported last weekend that the Eagles were "open" to the idea of dealing Barkley. Houston likely didn't want to part with anything more than a late-round pick -- which was the price for Mallett -- while Philadelphia probably wanted at least a fourth-rounder for Barkley, considering it used the 98th overall pick on Barkley in last year's draft.

Related: Texans

Source: Lance Zierlein on Twitter

Sep 5 - 8:42 AM
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