How does the arrival of Brandon Lloyd impact the Patriots' offense (1 Viewer)

[VaTerp]

maybe gronk will see a significant drop as josh uses more 1 TE sets and switches gronk/hernandez more frequently

Idk why Gronks snap count would go down, hes on the field more than everyone else for a reason. Hes their best TE, best redzone target and best blocker.

either that, or they keep welker, lloyd, gronk and hernandez on the field for most of the game, but that would mean 1 or 2 of those TEs would have to stay in to help block often.

This is the reality, the big 4 + ridley will be on the field most of if not the entire game. Hernandez has been taking a lot of snaps out of the backfield, which to me means they are gonna be running a lot more out of the no huddle and moving hernandez all over the field especially into the splitback with Ridley (much like Woodhead/Welker/Edelman have done in the past), create even more mismatches, open up even more options. Pretty much what the patriots do - but more of it.

you can't play with 12 players. lloyd will definitely play more than 76% of the snaps so something has to giveunless hernandez plays some as the only running back, i think the TEs combined will see a decrease in snaps/targets/production

it may be 95% gronk/65% hernandez, or maybe an even 80%/80% split but either way, it will go down, imo

I think Run It Up has it right. The Patriots base offense will include Welker, LLoyd, Gronk, Hernandez, and a RB. Because they can use Hernandez as a TE, FB, or split wide it gives them 3 different looks with the same personnel.Lloyd will get more than Branch's 76% of snaps but it doesnt have to come at the TEs expense. As for production, I can see Gronk regressing from the best TE season in NFL history. But in general I think there is a big enough pie for all 4 targets to get theirs.

 

[Run It Up]

you can't play with 12 players. lloyd will definitely play more than 76% of the snaps so something has to giveunless hernandez plays some as the only running back, i think the TEs combined will see a decrease in snaps/targets/productionit may be 95% gronk/65% hernandez, or maybe an even 80%/80% split but either way, it will go down, imo

Gronks practically two people.

 

[flc735]

maybe gronk will see a significant drop as josh uses more 1 TE sets and switches gronk/hernandez more frequently

Idk why Gronks snap count would go down, hes on the field more than everyone else for a reason. Hes their best TE, best redzone target and best blocker.

either that, or they keep welker, lloyd, gronk and hernandez on the field for most of the game, but that would mean 1 or 2 of those TEs would have to stay in to help block often.

This is the reality, the big 4 + ridley will be on the field most of if not the entire game. Hernandez has been taking a lot of snaps out of the backfield, which to me means they are gonna be running a lot more out of the no huddle and moving hernandez all over the field especially into the splitback with Ridley (much like Woodhead/Welker/Edelman have done in the past), create even more mismatches, open up even more options. Pretty much what the patriots do - but more of it.

you can't play with 12 players. lloyd will definitely play more than 76% of the snaps so something has to giveunless hernandez plays some as the only running back, i think the TEs combined will see a decrease in snaps/targets/production

it may be 95% gronk/65% hernandez, or maybe an even 80%/80% split but either way, it will go down, imo

I think Run It Up has it right. The Patriots base offense will include Welker, LLoyd, Gronk, Hernandez, and a RB. Because they can use Hernandez as a TE, FB, or split wide it gives them 3 different looks with the same personnel.Lloyd will get more than Branch's 76% of snaps but it doesnt have to come at the TEs expense. As for production, I can see Gronk regressing from the best TE season in NFL history. But in general I think there is a big enough pie for all 4 targets to get theirs.

wait a sec, is hernandez snap count lower because of the games he missed or did they adjust for that? if yes, that would change my opinion

 

[Run It Up]

wait a sec, is hernandez snap count lower because of the games he missed or did they adjust for that? if yes, that would change my opinion

They did not adjust it.its 74.33% with him missing two games.1134 Total New England plays last year. Gronk had 1092, Hernandez 843.Without looking up the actual snaps he missed:Avg of 71 plays per game, missed two games bringing the total to 992. Which gives Hernandez and 84.97%

 

[flc735]

wait a sec, is hernandez snap count lower because of the games he missed or did they adjust for that? if yes, that would change my opinion

They did not adjust it.its 74.33% with him missing two games.1134 Total New England plays last year. Gronk had 1092, Hernandez 843.

ok, in that case hernandez played 85% of the snaps that he was dressed fordropping hernandez and gronk to 80% and 90% would be more than enough to fit lloyd in

 

[David Yudkin]

wait a sec, is hernandez snap count lower because of the games he missed or did they adjust for that? if yes, that would change my opinion

They did not adjust it.its 74.33% with him missing two games.1134 Total New England plays last year. Gronk had 1092, Hernandez 843.

ok, in that case hernandez played 85% of the snaps that he was dressed fordropping hernandez and gronk to 80% and 90% would be more than enough to fit lloyd in

I am missing where Lloyd has to bit "fit in."If the Pats use a base formation of 1 TE / 3 WR / 1 RB, that accounts for Gronk, Hernandez, Welker, Lloyd, and Ridley.Branch got 76% of snaps. He missed one entire game and dressed but didn't play all that much in Week 17. He also missed parts of a couple other games. That meant Branch was likely 80% or slightly higher. Give those snaps to Lloyd and then there should not be a problem getting Lloyd time on the field. Similarly, all it takes is Lloyd to get Branch's targets as well. He had 90 targets in 13 or 14 games. That would translate to roughly 110 targets over a full season. The issue then becomes how likely is Brady to pass 600+ times, which to me is probably a bigger issue than where Lloyd's targets will come from.

 

[ckalltheway]

How Lloyd does is all up to him. He'd better be on his A game from the first snap of the first game because the first few games of the season will set the table for the rest.

When his number is called in the first few weeks he'd better make the play or he might as well be running wind sprints for the rest of the year. Brady subconsciously (or maybe not so) doesn't go to guys he doesn't trust and there's enough guys out there on every snap that he does. It's not everyone gets a turn, Brady won't make him a priority out there unless he earns it. And it will help to throw every block like he's a starting tackle and play through every whistle. Being on his sixth NFL team now, Lloyd strikes me as a guy who probably doesn't play through every whistle. The Patriots see the obvious upside but they won't hand him anything or do anything special for him.

I think he just ends up being like all the others guys they've run through there since Moss left because like the rest of them...he's no Moss. The Patriots have seen upside in a lot of guys who've come and gone since Moss.