How does your league handle uneven trades? (1 Viewer)

[The Goose is Loose]

Team A in my league traded MJD and Dustin Keller to Team B for Santana Moss and Sims Walker.

While it doesn't seem that there was collusion going on, the owner of Team A is clearly an idiot and has now given Team B an all star team with Chris Johnson, Manning and MJD. And it's not like Team A had a ton of RB depth and needed WR's that badly. He will now be starting Marshawn Lynch or Spiller as his RB2. And he already had Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco on his roster (start 3).

Our rules say that a trade can be vetoed if 9 of the 10 non interested parties agree. However, we won't get that number of people to vote to veto it because they feel it's just a bad trade and not collusion.

So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

 

[Whoosah]

Team A in my league traded MJD and Dustin Keller to Team B for Santana Moss and Sims Walker.While it doesn't seem that there was collusion going on, the owner of Team A is clearly an idiot and has now given Team B an all star team with Chris Johnson, Manning and MJD. And it's not like Team A had a ton of RB depth and needed WR's that badly. He will now be starting Marshawn Lynch or Spiller as his RB2. And he already had Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco on his roster (start 3).Our rules say that a trade can be vetoed if 9 of the 10 non interested parties agree. However, we won't get that number of people to vote to veto it because they feel it's just a bad trade and not collusion.So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

Personally, I hate lopsided trades (even though I benefited from a few of them), but if it is not collusion, I say let the trade go through.Just claim trade rape and move on and deal business with that sucker in the future.

 

[Dr. No]

we had a very similar trade last week.

it blew.

What are you going to do... the true value of a trade can't be determined until the end of the season... i mean what if MJD blew out his knee next week?

if coming up with trades wasn't so dang fun I'd play in a no trade league.

Sometimes bad crap happens....

 

[beef]

lets them go. lopsided for one team now could be lopsided for the other in the future. if both owners agree to the trade and there is no collusion, other owners need to butt out.

 

[gethugefast1]

We vote on all trades...takes 6 out of 10 to veto

 

[Captain Hook]

The league should have clear rules on trades - if a trade is legal, it is a trade - opinions of the onlookers are irrelevant

 

[Abraham]

We vote on all trades...takes 6 out of 10 to veto

Why do you vote on them?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Team A in my league traded MJD and Dustin Keller to Team B for Santana Moss and Sims Walker.

While it doesn't seem that there was collusion going on, the owner of Team A is clearly an idiot and has now given Team B an all star team with Chris Johnson, Manning and MJD. And it's not like Team A had a ton of RB depth and needed WR's that badly. He will now be starting Marshawn Lynch or Spiller as his RB2. And he already had Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco on his roster (start 3).

Our rules say that a trade can be vetoed if 9 of the 10 non interested parties agree. However, we won't get that number of people to vote to veto it because they feel it's just a bad trade and not collusion.

So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

Your answer lies in the bolded text. You have a system in place, let it run its course.

 

[Air Stich]

Kick the idiot trader out of the league in the offseason if he continues to make awful trades like this. We had a guy in our league who made multiple bad trades one year that ended up working out OK for him. His team was AWFUL due to trading all of his studs away, but he lucked into the playoffs due to some decent waiver pickups and massive scheduling luck.

He did the same crap next year, trading away his first 4 draft picks before the 3rd game of the season. His team was garbage again and he finished in last place. I talked with him about holding onto his studs as opposed to trading them away in 2 or 3 for 1 deals. He was very defensive and said that he paid his money and could do whatever he wanted with his team. He said he liked to make trades and would continue to do so regardless of what it did to his team.

I realized that day that he liked making trades more than he liked winning. It was an easy decision NOT to take his money the next year. Fleece trades are bad for the league. The best way to eliminate them is to get rid of the weak manager who is being taken advantage of.

 

[FUBAR]

Make more enticing offers to the idiots.

 

[dagwood]

lets them go. lopsided for one team now could be lopsided for the other in the future. if both owners agree to the trade and there is no collusion, other owners need to butt out.

I traded Forte and Cutler for Finley and A.Rodgers about a week ago. The league gave me all sorts of crapp, but who is laughing now?

 

[FUBAR]

Kick the idiot trader out of the league in the offseason if he continues to make awful trades like this. We had a guy in our league who made multiple bad trades one year that ended up working out OK for him. His team was AWFUL due to trading all of his studs away, but he lucked into the playoffs due to some decent waiver pickups and massive scheduling luck. He did the same crap next year, trading away his first 4 draft picks before the 3rd game of the season. His team was garbage again and he finished in last place. I talked with him about holding onto his studs as opposed to trading them away in 2 or 3 for 1 deals. He was very defensive and said that he paid his money and could do whatever he wanted with his team. He said he liked to make trades and would continue to do so regardless of what it did to his team.I realized that day that he liked making trades more than he liked winning. It was an easy decision NOT to take his money the next year. Fleece trades are bad for the league. The best way to eliminate them is to get rid of the weak manager who is being taken advantage of.

this is one way redrafts are better than dynasty leagues. In a dynasty league, you could kick the guy out but often the trades aren't completely lopsided if you take the long view. Problem comes when a couple teams are always rebuilding and enjoy drafting and trading more than winning. Then again, maybe it's not that big of a problem if they're having fun and everyone has a fair chance to trade their late picks for good players?

 

[dhockster]

Kick the idiot trader out of the league in the offseason if he continues to make awful trades like this. We had a guy in our league who made multiple bad trades one year that ended up working out OK for him. His team was AWFUL due to trading all of his studs away, but he lucked into the playoffs due to some decent waiver pickups and massive scheduling luck. He did the same crap next year, trading away his first 4 draft picks before the 3rd game of the season. His team was garbage again and he finished in last place. I talked with him about holding onto his studs as opposed to trading them away in 2 or 3 for 1 deals. He was very defensive and said that he paid his money and could do whatever he wanted with his team. He said he liked to make trades and would continue to do so regardless of what it did to his team.I realized that day that he liked making trades more than he liked winning. It was an easy decision NOT to take his money the next year. Fleece trades are bad for the league. The best way to eliminate them is to get rid of the weak manager who is being taken advantage of.

Or understand that this guy is a bad trader who likes to trade, and any intelligent owner will be trying to make deals with him.Look, if you know an owner has a soft spot for Cowboy players, you are going to use that to get him to overpay to get a Cowboy player off your team. Partof Fantasy Football is not just knowing which are the good players, but knowing the other owners and what their motivations are.All this whining about trades being unfair is dumb. You have just as much of a chance to make a trade with the dumb owner as anyone else. Take advantage of it.

 

[Wolfpacker]

The Carolina Panthers traded a second-round pick for Armanti Edwards and the NFL did nothing about it.

 

[hunter1]

The Carolina Panthers traded a second-round pick for Armanti Edwards and the NFL did nothing about it.

 

[Air Stich]

Then again, maybe it's not that big of a problem if they're having fun and everyone has a fair chance to trade their late picks for good players?

This wasn't the case in my league. The weak manager usually dealt with one or two specific managers. One manager especially was a guy he worked with and talked to on a regular basis. He would find out before the rest of the league which player the weak manager was "off of" this week. With the extra discussion time he would also be able to more effectively sell his donkeys. In almost every fleece trade post we get on this board there are many responses that others are just jealous that they didn't get the trade. That is often far from the case. I'm not interested in preying on my friends in an attempt to rip them off. I'll do it if I think there is a manager who is going to give his studs to someone else. If he's going to give them to someone, it might as well be me. But I'd much rather be in a league with competent managers who don't make blatantly bad trades (like MJD for Santana Moss).

 

[Utter Chaos]

I don't know if other leagues do this but my league charges $5.00 per owner per trade. I guess it cuts down on trades because we only have one or two a year.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

As long as each side can justify the move, it's fine. But it's fair for the commissioner to ask them for a justification.

 

[gotexansgo]

The Carolina Panthers traded a second-round pick for Armanti Edwards and the NFL did nothing about it.

:( too funny and yet so sad

 

[Clev4ever]

I say so what. If they want to trade so be it to an extreme measure. If someone was trading Chris Johnson for Colt McCoy, I would say no. We don't vote because no one would trade because everyone would want a player that was in that trade. We experienced it and no one liked it.

And in the couple of leagues that I am in, I do know the guys I play with and I try to find their 'sweet spots' and make deals with them. It doesn't matter how close to them I am, we are all in it to win it. We have a belt for the title and everyone wants to wear to brag and take pictures, ala 'The League.'

Its about winning. If you draft and just play the waiver wire all year, then you don't take risks and you are not a betting man. You just deal with what you have a make the best out of it. Its ok but you get boring real quick. You also tend to be the guy that wants the farm for a medicore player.

Just my opinion from experience.

 

[IllegalPete]

In a 16 team PPR dynasty here was a trade made:

Team A: Cutler, 2011 1st rd pick (as of right now top 3 pick)

Team B: Bradford, Deion Branch

 

[Athletic Supporter]

I'm curious, what exactly do you use to determine that a trade is "lopsided"? Are you guys so full of yourself that you absolutely know that one guy is better than another and it won't change?

Things change fast in the NFL. A trade that looks like it has a clear winner today doesn't necessarily mean it will look that way a couple weeks down the road.

Team owners should be free to manage their team as they see fit. End of story.

This board needs a "Unfair Trade" forum to eliminate these reoccuring threads from pool. Then all you "know-it-alls" can hang out there and amaze each other with how much you know.

 

[DoubleG]

We usually laugh and make fun of the goof who made the bad trade.

 

[BallparkFrank]

I'm curious, what exactly do you use to determine that a trade is "lopsided"? Are you guys so full of yourself that you absolutely know that one guy is better than another and it won't change?Things change fast in the NFL. A trade that looks like it has a clear winner today doesn't necessarily mean it will look that way a couple weeks down the road.Team owners should be free to manage their team as they see fit. End of story.This board needs a "Unfair Trade" forum to eliminate these reoccuring threads from pool. Then all you "know-it-alls" can hang out there and amaze each other with how much you know.

Couldn't agree more. I've been in the same dynasty league for years and if I had $1 for every "horrible" trade that actually turned out to benefit the "idiot", I'd own a real NFL team. Sure, there are lopsided deals from time to time, but learn to take advantage of them rather than cry about 'em.

 

[da_budman]

Team A in my league traded MJD and Dustin Keller to Team B for Santana Moss and Sims Walker.

While it doesn't seem that there was collusion going on, the owner of Team A is clearly an idiot and has now given Team B an all star team with Chris Johnson, Manning and MJD. And it's not like Team A had a ton of RB depth and needed WR's that badly. He will now be starting Marshawn Lynch or Spiller as his RB2. And he already had Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco on his roster (start 3).

Our rules say that a trade can be vetoed if 9 of the 10 non interested parties agree. However, we won't get that number of people to vote to veto it because they feel it's just a bad trade and not collusion.

So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

So he starts 3 wr's and he has only 4 (unless you left out some in which case I would guess they aren't worth mentioning. Royal has been hit or miss, Garcon has been a dud and injured, Roy Williams has had 2 good games back to back but unless things have changed he isnt even a starter, and Ochostinko had a great game week 1 and has stunk it up every since. The dude needs wr's in the worst kind of way. Are these 2 worth MJD and Keller? I wouldn't make that trade but maybe he cant get better and is desperate? Stop trying to manage everybody elses team or offer him better for MJD/keller next time.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

As long as each side can justify the move, it's fine. But it's fair for the commissioner to ask them for a justification.

Justification: I believe it will make my team better going forward. End of story.

 

[da_budman]

As long as each side can justify the move, it's fine. But it's fair for the commissioner to ask them for a justification.

Here is your answer and the great equalizer. A league with a strong Commisioner knows ahead of time that any trade deemed lopsided will get questioned and they will have to defend the trade to him. Cuts down severely on the likelihood of tomfoolery. Bad trades happen. Sometimes trades that look bad do not end up being bad. Unless you know something i don't know I cannot predict the future.

 

[PhantomJB]

The only additional rule we've added to the general "no collusion/laissez faire/caveat emptor" principles is...if a team has been mathematically elimated from the FF playoffs then his trades are subject to majority approval to prevent someone tanking the ship at the end of the season.

 

[Nate]

My league protects the stupid by disallowing uneven trades. It's the only way to maintain the competitive integrity of the league. ALL trades must be unanimously regarded as fair, one vote against the trade and it's disallowed.

We also vote on each pick of the draft, if someone is reaching too far for a player and a majority rules that it's too big of a reach, the pick is vetoed. If a player of high standing is left on the draft board 5 picks after where he should have been taken, he's automatically awarded to the next GM to pick.

We have a similar voting process in place to keep waiver pickups fair for everyone, but that's not what this thread is about.

But then, my league is super competitive. First place is usually 7-5, last is 5-7. It's awesome.

 

[fightingillini]

The only additional rule we've added to the general "no collusion/laissez faire/caveat emptor" principles is...if a team has been mathematically elimated from the FF playoffs then his trades are subject to majority approval to prevent someone tanking the ship at the end of the season.

My league takes it a step further......if you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, then you can't trade. You can pick up free agents, since we have a toilet bowl winner.Our trading deadline is Week 11 in a 13 game season....and 6 make the playoffs in a 10 team league, so ususally only 1 maybe 2 teams are mathematically eliminated before the trading deadline.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

I'm curious, what exactly do you use to determine that a trade is "lopsided"? Are you guys so full of yourself that you absolutely know that one guy is better than another and it won't change?

Things change fast in the NFL. A trade that looks like it has a clear winner today doesn't necessarily mean it will look that way a couple weeks down the road.

Team owners should be free to manage their team as they see fit. End of story.

This board needs a "Unfair Trade" forum to eliminate these reoccuring threads from pool. Then all you "know-it-alls" can hang out there and amaze each other with how much you know.

:(

Thank you for being excellent to those who disagree with you. Read and learn from SSOG as quoted in my sig.

 

[basher]

My league protects the stupid by disallowing uneven trades. It's the only way to maintain the competitive integrity of the league. ALL trades must be unanimously regarded as fair, one vote against the trade and it's disallowed.We also vote on each pick of the draft, if someone is reaching too far for a player and a majority rules that it's too big of a reach, the pick is vetoed. If a player of high standing is left on the draft board 5 picks after where he should have been taken, he's automatically awarded to the next GM to pick.We have a similar voting process in place to keep waiver pickups fair for everyone, but that's not what this thread is about.But then, my league is super competitive. First place is usually 7-5, last is 5-7. It's awesome.

It is impossible to go for "unanimously regarded as fair" especially in competitive leagues because owners veto then counter with better deals. Let the trade stand as long as both sides can make an argument as to why they want the trade to go through. We had a huge ####storm a few weeks ago because a kid wanted to trade for TO using Rashard Mendenhall. Everyone ##### except the two who wanted the trade, people threatened to quit, etc... well TO has punished the last two teams and so far (on it's head) this trade is even. Even if it is pretty stupid, let it all play out, unless it is clearly a dump and deck stack.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

I'm curious, what exactly do you use to determine that a trade is "lopsided"? Are you guys so full of yourself that you absolutely know that one guy is better than another and it won't change?

Things change fast in the NFL. A trade that looks like it has a clear winner today doesn't necessarily mean it will look that way a couple weeks down the road.

Team owners should be free to manage their team as they see fit. End of story.

This board needs a "Unfair Trade" forum to eliminate these reoccuring threads from pool. Then all you "know-it-alls" can hang out there and amaze each other with how much you know.

:(

Couldn't agree more. I've been in the same dynasty league for years and if I had $1 for every "horrible" trade that actually turned out to benefit the "idiot", I'd own a real NFL team. Sure, there are lopsided deals from time to time, but learn to take advantage of them rather than cry about 'em.

I'm assuming that the thread concerns a redraft league. I think most of us would contend that things are different for a dynasty league.

 

[AngryGorilla]

We ridicule the guy who screwed. There's an ebb and flow, push and pull to these things. Often times they're lopsided at first then a few weeks later the trade seems fairly tame.

 

[PhantomJB]

The only additional rule we've added to the general "no collusion/laissez faire/caveat emptor" principles is...if a team has been mathematically elimated from the FF playoffs then his trades are subject to majority approval to prevent someone tanking the ship at the end of the season.

My league takes it a step further......if you're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs, then you can't trade. You can pick up free agents, since we have a toilet bowl winner.Our trading deadline is Week 11 in a 13 game season....and 6 make the playoffs in a 10 team league, so ususally only 1 maybe 2 teams are mathematically eliminated before the trading deadline.

I can see this...the only reason we still allow trades for playoff-eliminated teams is there is a "beatdown" penalty for the last-place finisher as an incentive to keep everyone interested to the very end.

 

[Doug B]

... I don't think the trade in the OP is all that lopsided. It would look a lot better if Sims-Walker was producing consistently -- but if Team A is down on MJD (not unreasonable) and thinks that one of Sims-Walker or S Moss can produce like a low-end WR1 going forward (not totally crazy), the trade makes a lot of sense.

Team A's WRs before the trade were Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco ... that doesn't look particularly strong to me at all. I could see wanting to upgrade at WR. A little surprised that none of those WRs were sent over in the trade, but ... so be it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

with heaps and heaps of shame and mercilously berating the trader.

in my 15 yr league some guy just trade mendy + 2 throwaways (ie whoever he drops) for brees Ryan mathews and michael crabtree.

he's getting it today...

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Kick the idiot trader out of the league in the offseason if he continues to make awful trades like this. We had a guy in our league who made multiple bad trades one year that ended up working out OK for him. His team was AWFUL due to trading all of his studs away, but he lucked into the playoffs due to some decent waiver pickups and massive scheduling luck.

He did the same crap next year, trading away his first 4 draft picks before the 3rd game of the season. His team was garbage again and he finished in last place. I talked with him about holding onto his studs as opposed to trading them away in 2 or 3 for 1 deals. He was very defensive and said that he paid his money and could do whatever he wanted with his team. He said he liked to make trades and would continue to do so regardless of what it did to his team.

I realized that day that he liked making trades more than he liked winning. It was an easy decision NOT to take his money the next year. Fleece trades are bad for the league. The best way to eliminate them is to get rid of the weak manager who is being taken advantage of.

Nothing better that the story of a guy who 'traded his team away 'all the way to the playoffs.

 

[Nate]

My league protects the stupid by disallowing uneven trades. It's the only way to maintain the competitive integrity of the league. ALL trades must be unanimously regarded as fair, one vote against the trade and it's disallowed.We also vote on each pick of the draft, if someone is reaching too far for a player and a majority rules that it's too big of a reach, the pick is vetoed. If a player of high standing is left on the draft board 5 picks after where he should have been taken, he's automatically awarded to the next GM to pick.We have a similar voting process in place to keep waiver pickups fair for everyone, but that's not what this thread is about.But then, my league is super competitive. First place is usually 7-5, last is 5-7. It's awesome.

It is impossible to go for "unanimously regarded as fair" especially in competitive leagues because owners veto then counter with better deals.

Wow.Really?

 

[atcdav]

just vent. How about a no trade rule. it's the only way to avoid bad trades

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

As long as each side can justify the move, it's fine. But it's fair for the commissioner to ask them for a justification.

Justification: I believe it will make my team better going forward. End of story.

No, the commissioner determines when it's the "end of story." That's not a sufficient justification. You have to explain how it makes your team better. If someone really believes it makes their team better...it should be easy. I can justify every trade I've ever made, even if they didn't work out. The commissioner doesn't have to agree with the rationale, but it has to make sense. If they can do that, the trade should go forward. If they can't, that tells you something else is at work here.

 

[amphibianbri]

I just call the couple of dopes in ym league that do that "The rest of the league" farm teams. They donate their money to strengthen the teams that can get to their star players first. It happens every year. Tried changing owners, still always find some fool that overreacts to a slow start and trades studs for duds. It happens.

 

[emge]

The Patriots traded Randy Moss for Deion Branch + small diff in draft pick, and the NFL didn't care...why do you care what other people do? if you were getting MJD would u care?

 

[usafbeast87]

Im dealing with this problem right now. I had incredible depth through the waiver wire and traded Best, Torain, Floyd, and Hernandez for Chris Johnson and Saints D. The CJ owner is 0-5 and has lots of holes in his roster and is actually a good owner. The rest of the league is vetoing, only because it makes my team beastly with CJ, Turner, and Mendenhall. I feel they are abusing the veto.

 

[Novice2]

How does your league handle uneven trades?

We tar and feather the guy getting ripped off and shoot the other one in the left testicle.

 

[Topes]

Team A in my league traded MJD and Dustin Keller to Team B for Santana Moss and Sims Walker.

While it doesn't seem that there was collusion going on, the owner of Team A is clearly an idiot and has now given Team B an all star team with Chris Johnson, Manning and MJD. And it's not like Team A had a ton of RB depth and needed WR's that badly. He will now be starting Marshawn Lynch or Spiller as his RB2. And he already had Royal, Garcon, Roy Williams and Ocho Cinco on his roster (start 3).

Our rules say that a trade can be vetoed if 9 of the 10 non interested parties agree. However, we won't get that number of people to vote to veto it because they feel it's just a bad trade and not collusion.

So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

Your answer lies in the bolded text. You have a system in place, let it run its course.

So I ask, how do you deal with these types of things in your leagues?

We just left them go through. Nobody trades much anyways, luckily.

 

[cphk96]

I have a question.

Do you guys have resources that you use to determine if a trade is lopsided or not?

I mean, do you look at cheetsheets, a website or whatnot to see if a trade is good?

On the flipside, what tools does a tradee have in order to check to see if he is getting a good deal on a trade?

Posted from a newbie who has trouble with trades.

 

[THE FANTASY KING]

The owners I am with in my fantasy leagues understand that every owner has their own opinion about the value of players.

Regards,

THE FANTASY KING

 

[Loan Sharks]

I don't understand the question.

All trades are uneven.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

I'm curious, what exactly do you use to determine that a trade is "lopsided"? Are you guys so full of yourself that you absolutely know that one guy is better than another and it won't change?

Things change fast in the NFL. A trade that looks like it has a clear winner today doesn't necessarily mean it will look that way a couple weeks down the road.

Team owners should be free to manage their team as they see fit. End of story.

This board needs a "Unfair Trade" forum to eliminate these reoccuring threads from pool. Then all you "know-it-alls" can hang out there and amaze each other with how much you know.

Thank you for being excellent to those who disagree with you. Read and learn from SSOG as quoted in my sig.

Did I hurt your feelings or something? What term would you prefer I use to describe someone who tries to tell me how I should best improve MY team?Look, it's my opinion, one that I feel very strongly about, and my comment wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

As far as SSOG's qoute in your sig; competitive balance? When exactly is a competitive balance ever achieved in a fantasy league? Following the draft? Everyone values players differently. A draft simply divides the coveted players in the pool amongst the teams. There's no "balance" to begin with. Every league has teams that are deemed stronger than others at any given time. Other than the waiver wire, trading is the only way to tweak your team to your liking.

Go ahead, play in leagues that scrutinize trades (and you'll always have the problem of identifying a way to measure player value) and I'll play in the leagues where I'm free to sculpt my team into a winner.