How Good Do You Think MIN DEF is? (1 Viewer)

[Jabroniking]

They looked good in preseason and it seemed to carry over into Week 1....granted it was against the Falcons. What are you feelings about starting them each week? Could they be a top 10 Defense? Top 5?

 

[kensat30]

The only thing Minnesota was missing from being the best D in the league last year was a pass rush. Guess what, they now have a pass rush.

 

[harryhood]

The only thing Minnesota was missing from being the best D in the league last year was a pass rush. Guess what, they now have a pass rush.

Im highly optimistic on them this year being an owner. I want to see them against Detroit before I feel comfortable. If they can contain them on the road then they are going to be studly and I will put them in without risk. For tomorrow, I am playing Cincy against Cleveland cause our league subtracts points if your D gives up 27+. I will be watching them closely. Those guys just hawk the ball.

 

[RTB1]

I started them last week, and plan to do so for the next several at least.

Harrington

Kitna

Huard

Favre

Grossman

There's a LOT of potential turnovers in that batch of QBs.

 

[Louisville Slugger]

I started them last week, and plan to do so for the next several at least.HarringtonKitnaHuardFavreGrossmanThere's a LOT of potential turnovers in that batch of QBs.

Of those qb's only Jon Kitna could really light them up.

 

[Judge Smails]

They'll get INT's out of Kitna, but also 350-400 yards through the air and 20+ points. I can't start 'em this week. If they play predominantly run oriented teams they'll dominate.

 

[The Real Deal]

They looked good in preseason and it seemed to carry over into Week 1....granted it was against the Falcons. What are you feelings about starting them each week? Could they be a top 10 Defense? Top 5?

MIN is going to have a top 5 Defense this year. It could vie for #1 before the year is out. I'm starting them EVERY week and would do so unless your sitting on BAL or CHI.

 

[barndog]

They're the only DEF I own in about 5 leagues at least

 

[duaneok66]

They looked good in preseason and it seemed to carry over into Week 1....granted it was against the Falcons. What are you feelings about starting them each week? Could they be a top 10 Defense? Top 5?

MIN is going to have a top 5 Defense this year. It could vie for #1 before the year is out. I'm starting them EVERY week and would do so unless your sitting on BAL or CHI.

if you are in a league that scores for yardage total , you would be foolish to start them against the Lions . . .

 

[-OZ-]

I drafted MN pretty late as my only DEF, I'm quite comfortable with it.

Their 3 division rivals will either provide turnovers or (Detroit) don't impress me on offense (CHI/GB), weeks 7-9 and 17 could be rough, but the rest of the schedule looks good.

 

[harryhood]

I drafted MN pretty late as my only DEF, I'm quite comfortable with it.Their 3 division rivals will either provide turnovers or (Detroit) don't impress me on offense (CHI/GB), weeks 7-9 and 17 could be rough, but the rest of the schedule looks good.

like we stated before, if your league scores defense based on sacks, ints, fumbles, then absolutely you start them every week....however if you lose points for yardage and points scored, I dont see how you could put them out there this weekend

 

[jamil]

i had them last year and they were already pretty good.

and they've only gotten better.

 

[duaneok66]

i had them last year and they were already pretty good.and they've only gotten better.

they have a rookie (McCauley) starting this week and Winfield will be playing in the slot . . .translation: there will be a mismatch on the outside with Johnson or Williams . . .good luck . . .

 

[BroadwayG]

It's like a jungle, sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under

 

[LionsFan78]

I refused to follow the runs on defenses during the league draft. They were a late pickup and I'm completely happy starting them right now. They also pair up quite well with Houston (Miami during the BYE, combined TB, CHI, WAS during fantasy playoffs), who certainly showed some promise last week as well.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

 

[King Biggie Cube]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

 

[Kuz]

We should know quite a bit more after this week.. They were horrible against the pass last year becuase they could never get any pressure on the QB.. They had 6 sacks last week but Harrington likes to hold on to the ball & it was the Falcons.. If they can hold the Lions down this week vs that passing attack, then I will believe they turned the corner.. Until then I'm still a bit skeptical about their pass D..

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Kitna will light them up like a X-Mas tree this Sunday.

 

[BroadwayG]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

 

[King Biggie Cube]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

yo you might as well be sayin' take all the sacks away...all the ints away and dey score natta.makes sense...

 

[BroadwayG]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

yo you might as well be sayin' take all the sacks away...all the ints away and dey score natta.makes sense...

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

 

[Lash]

And how long before you feel comfortable starting them?

i felt that way negative one weeks ago

 

[BroadwayG]

I'd consider them top 10 anyway.

 

[RTB1]

I started them last week, and plan to do so for the next several at least.HarringtonKitnaHuardFavreGrossmanThere's a LOT of potential turnovers in that batch of QBs.

Of those qb's only Jon Kitna could really light them up.

Yea, Kitna could hang some yards and points on them, but there will be turnovers. As a Bengal fan that watched Kitna for 2+ seasons, he's going to turn the ball over when asked to carry the offense. Also, a Mike Martz offense has historically asked it's QBs to take shots on low percentage passes, resulting in a higher ratio of INTs.So, tough defense + QB who makes mistakes when asked to do too much + offense that eschews "safe" throws in favor of the big play = at least 3 turnovers by the Lions on Sunday.

 

[ffnut]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

yo you might as well be sayin' take all the sacks away...all the ints away and dey score natta.makes sense...

Good shtick...not annoying at all.

 

[-Crippler-]

The only thing Minnesota was missing from being the best D in the league last year was a pass rush. Guess what, they now have a pass rush.

riiiiiiight

 

[kensat30]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

A defense is more likely to score when they light up the scoreboard during preseason. A defense is more likely to score when they light up the board during regular season. Minnesota D is a team that is likely to score more points on D this year.

 

[mrspree15]

We should know quite a bit more after this week.. They were horrible against the pass last year becuase they could never get any pressure on the QB.. They had 6 sacks last week but Harrington likes to hold on to the ball & it was the Falcons.. If they can hold the Lions down this week vs that passing attack, then I will believe they turned the corner.. Until then I'm still a bit skeptical about their pass D..

Actually, Joey doesn't get sacked much.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

I drafted Minny everywhere but do not feel compelled to start them every week as this point. I agree with the sentiment that they won't shut down Martz & company through the air. I am starting both Dallas & Green Bay over Minny this week.

Just my useless 2 cents ...

 

[Resident A]

I am starting Minny this week. They are a dominant D & I will likely leave them in all year.

Kitna is an INT machine. 1 good game vs the Raicers doesn't change that. The Lions may put up 20+ points, but there will be turnovers to go around.

 

[Polyethylene Bag]

Minny D is scary good this year. They will almost certainly be a top 5 unit by season's end. I wouldn't be shocked if they shut down the Lions this week.

 

[bcr8f]

I started them last week and am starting them again.

 

[thecardiackid]

I refused to follow the runs on defenses during the league draft. They were a late pickup and I'm completely happy starting them right now. They also pair up quite well with Houston (Miami during the BYE, combined TB, CHI, WAS during fantasy playoffs), who certainly showed some promise last week as well.

Did the same. Was this from our DBBC thread that couldn't get going a couple of months ago? MN is a great D to have (top 5ish IMO) for TOs and scores (on D - not really ST) - but will occasionally not be good if your leage awards scoring for points against (compared to CHI/BAL). I was somewhat worried about Tomlin leaving, but they look even better - after one whole week - than last year. And they'll be on the field a lot due to the challenged MN offense.

 

[buck naked]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

Seriously - if you did not see that Minnesota would likely have a field day against Atlanta last week, then you need some fantasy lessons. Atlanta had numerous factors against them - new offense being implemented, new QB, Harrington is a turnover machine, ON THE ROAD, against a good defense. Picking a defense matchup is sometimes comparable to picking a running back matchup. Soemtimes an RB with a good matchup scores, and sometimes a defense with a good matchup scores.

 

[kensat30]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

Seriously - if you did not see that Minnesota would likely have a field day against Atlanta last week, then you need some fantasy lessons. Atlanta had numerous factors against them - new offense being implemented, new QB, Harrington is a turnover machine, ON THE ROAD, against a good defense. Picking a defense matchup is sometimes comparable to picking a running back matchup. Soemtimes an RB with a good matchup scores, and sometimes a defense with a good matchup scores.

Would you consider a RB that put up 200 total yards and 2 TDs against a bad defense worthy of a bump? Because defensively that is the type of showing Minnesota had last Sunday.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

Seriously - if you did not see that Minnesota would likely have a field day against Atlanta last week, then you need some fantasy lessons. Atlanta had numerous factors against them - new offense being implemented, new QB, Harrington is a turnover machine, ON THE ROAD, against a good defense. Picking a defense matchup is sometimes comparable to picking a running back matchup. Soemtimes an RB with a good matchup scores, and sometimes a defense with a good matchup scores.

You still can't predict defenses to score TD's.

 

[smcindoe]

I don't understand the question of "when would you consider starting them?" If you drafted them, it was because you wanted to start them during their early, relatively easy schedule. Why would you bench a team against the Falcons and Lions, then consider starting them?

 

[houston]

Was very glad to get them in round 15, and plan to ride them for most of the year.

 

[Tecmo]

The second reply summed it up, they have a pass-rush this year and will be good. (6 sacks against ATL). They've shown a knack for scoring TDs... 3 during the preseason. Ray Edwards stepping up really helps the rotation. Erasmus James will be a huge plus when he gets healthy. Chad Greenway looks real good in coverage. McCauley is a huge upgrade at nickel. A lot of guys are contributing this year that weren't in there last year... and they were a good D last year. Special teams is a concern, MIN has sucked at special teams for like 20 yrs, I'm hoping they can get Allison in there.

 

[Demons]

I started them last week, but I'm going with Green Bay this week.

 

[urbanhack]

They looked good in preseason and it seemed to carry over into Week 1....granted it was against the Falcons. What are you feelings about starting them each week? Could they be a top 10 Defense? Top 5?

I drafted them and am planning on starting them every week.

 

[JMon348]

The second reply summed it up, they have a pass-rush this year and will be good. (6 sacks against ATL). They've shown a knack for scoring TDs... 3 during the preseason. Ray Edwards stepping up really helps the rotation. Erasmus James will be a huge plus when he gets healthy. Chad Greenway looks real good in coverage. McCauley is a huge upgrade at nickel. A lot of guys are contributing this year that weren't in there last year... and they were a good D last year. Special teams is a concern, MIN has sucked at special teams for like 20 yrs, I'm hoping they can get Allison in there.

Brian Robison should see the field alot, and he's a playmaker. Look for 10 sacks from him this year in a Mark Anderson/Lance Johnstone role.

 

[MSULions]

started them with confidence last week...not going with them this week though...personally I think you're crazy to start ANY d but SD and Chicago against detroit....especially at home.

 

[Ahmad Rashad]

And they'll be on the field a lot due to the challenged MN offense.

Actually, the MN offense is a ball-control West Coast offense led by one of the best RB tandems in the league running behind one of the best lines in the league, not a fast-strike, turnover-prone one like the Culpepper/Moss days. It's one of the best offenses to pair with a great defense, as they should be able to grind up time. If the defense is on the field a lot it's because of the defensive scores.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Today is a great barometer as to how good they are. It's nice to have the test right away so you know what kind of defense you can expect for the rest of the year. This is the type of team that killed them last year, so we'll see how far they've come.

 

[buck naked]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

Seriously - if you did not see that Minnesota would likely have a field day against Atlanta last week, then you need some fantasy lessons. Atlanta had numerous factors against them - new offense being implemented, new QB, Harrington is a turnover machine, ON THE ROAD, against a good defense. Picking a defense matchup is sometimes comparable to picking a running back matchup. Soemtimes an RB with a good matchup scores, and sometimes a defense with a good matchup scores.

Would you consider a RB that put up 200 total yards and 2 TDs against a bad defense worthy of a bump? Because defensively that is the type of showing Minnesota had last Sunday.

Depends on the next matchup, his opportunity, and what other RB's you have.

 

[buck naked]

If you take away the TD's they had last week, the fantasy points were a little above average. They will not play Harrington every week. While they may be decent this year, I would temper the enthusiasm for the time being.

yo just like taking away a rb's longest run. right yo? makes sense...

Seriously??? You consider D/ST touchdowns comparable to RB carries?

When someone can predict when a defense will score TD's, let me know.

Seriously - if you did not see that Minnesota would likely have a field day against Atlanta last week, then you need some fantasy lessons. Atlanta had numerous factors against them - new offense being implemented, new QB, Harrington is a turnover machine, ON THE ROAD, against a good defense. Picking a defense matchup is sometimes comparable to picking a running back matchup. Soemtimes an RB with a good matchup scores, and sometimes a defense with a good matchup scores.

You still can't predict defenses to score TD's.

Just like you cannot predict RB touchdowns. If you disagree with that statement, then you are being inconsistent, IMO. We look at factors such as the RB's opportunity and what defense he is playing and do our best to make projections and predictions. It is no different with a defense. Why do drafters draft Chicago or the Baltimore defenses #1? Because they see plenty of sacks and turnovers and special teams td's from those teams. Sacks and turnovers lead to touchdowns. The probability is higher with those teams to score a td than with others.About 4 years ago, the Bears opened on the road in SF and had Kordell Stewart as their starting QB. I drafted the SF defense simply for that week because Stewart and the Bears were awful then. That was clearly a game in which a defensive score was more likely than in other games. That came true, as the defense scored 1 or 2 times and had many turnovers. The same thing a couple years ago when Arizona opened on the road in NYG. Warner - the turnover machine - was the QB. He reeked sacks and fumbles. I drafted NYG, and NYG defense scored twice that day.

 

[duaneok66]

And they'll be on the field a lot due to the challenged MN offense.

Actually, the MN offense is a ball-control West Coast offense led by one of the best RB tandems in the league running behind one of the best lines in the league, not a fast-strike, turnover-prone one like the Culpepper/Moss days. It's one of the best offenses to pair with a great defense, as they should be able to grind up time. If the defense is on the field a lot it's because of the defensive scores.

translation: the QB stinks so they can't be anything BUT a ball control offense . . .