How important is Vince Young (1 Viewer)

[SelenaCat]

I'm not usually a big fan of handcuffs. In most cases, I think it makes more sense to swing for the fences and hope for a 1-2 punch duo instead of one player that will consistently score 0 points when the other is healthy, even if it means I might wind up with two players scoring goose eggs.

I wonder if I should change that opinion for Vick and Young in a 2 QB league, however. Obviously, if Vick only misses a game or two, a backup QB will cover fine. But if Vick misses 3-4 games, Young has the potential to put up, if not monster numbers, at least points higher than your garden-variety QB3.

Is taking Young something I should consider if I'm targetting Vick? Or just let him slide and grab a QB3 and hope for the best?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Completely depends on the tier of QB you're talking about with your QB3, but just taking the question at face value - I would not feel comfortable having Vick in a 2QB format without Young. Especially considering how LATE you'll be able to roster Young. It's voluntarily working without a net when you don't have to.

 

[Bri]

roughly 64 QBs start every year; it isn't but that's an average of two per team.

You're talking about 1 or 2 games to cover for Vick. With such a hand-picked window, you could just wait and get someone off the waiver wire that has the best matchups.

Young's ability to pickup and offense has been questioned many times and we have seen him in a plodding offense at times. There is zero guarantee that he will be asked to do a good Vick imitation, but I imagine Reid got him for his game-manager skills.

I would project strong numbers for Young if it were for an extended period of time as the Eagles would have no choice but to get him ready and adjust as much as necessary.

I think preseason will show us some of Young's comfort in the offense. He should get more reps and thus garner more stats than Vick in preseason so those will also need to be taken in with a grain of salt.

 

[Skanker]

Not very important.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

0 chance I don't draft Young, if I draft Vick in a start 2 league

 

[FantasyTrader]

You're talking about 1 or 2 games to cover for Vick.

We're not buying Young for the one or two games Vick misses on average. We're buying for disaster insurance.

 

[Carver]

0 chance I don't draft Young, if I draft Vick in a start 2 league

Same here> Id rather have Mcnabb or Garrard.

 

[FantasyTrader]

0 chance I don't draft Young, if I draft Vick in a start 2 league

Same here> Id rather have Mcnabb or Garrard.

Garrard is a risk to not start a single game this year, much less the entire year.

 

[FUBAR]

0 chance I don't draft Young, if I draft Vick in a start 2 league

Same here> Id rather have Mcnabb or Garrard.

as my insurance policy, I'll take VY over Garrard. I would put VY on top of the other 31 backups but I wouldn't take him over QBs like McCoy, McNabb, Hasselbeck, etc.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

If I am able to land Vick in my 2 qb league I'll get VY. VY has played poorly at times but it's been a question of whether he was in the right kind of offense (as well as him being an idiot and a crybaby). I'd love to see him run around with the Philly weapons if Vick went down.

 

[Crippler]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

I can't imagine why they'd already have Young 2nd on the depth chart and Kafka 3rd if they're not at least wanting Young to be the backup. Young, with all his faults, has at least started a game in this league, attempted more than 20 passes and thrown a touchdown in the pros. Three things Kafka hasn't to date.I suppose you could make an argument Kafka is in this discussion, but in the same way Deji Karim is in the discussion if MJD misses time.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I'm in a keeper start 2 QB league where Vick was kept in the 14th round. I drafted VY in the same round just to have the possibility of altering the balance of power within the division. The guy's team is stacked.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

I can't imagine why they'd already have Young 2nd on the depth chart and Kafka 3rd if they're not at least wanting Young to be the backup. Young, with all his faults, has at least started a game in this league, attempted more than 20 passes and thrown a touchdown in the pros. Three things Kafka hasn't to date.I suppose you could make an argument Kafka is in this discussion, but in the same way Deji Karim is in the discussion if MJD misses time.

There's also the fact that Vince Young wouldn't have signed under the premise of being #3, there's a save face situation. Kafka is ego neutral and under contract, so there's no worry about placating him. As an Eagles fan I hope V. Young is CLEARLY the option at #2 -- because otherwise it means he's struggled. But thus far, if Vick (gasp) got hurt today, I would expect Kafka would be the Week One starter. That may change in a week or two (let's be fair, Vince has been a part of this offense for a whopping two weeks), but he has a lot to learn/demonstrate/prove before I think Andy would trust him with the keys to that race car.

 

[fatness]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

 

[SelenaCat]

The chances of picking up a QB off the waiver wire in these leagues is essentially zero. 40 QB's are picked up in our auction, on average, so if there's someone out there, it's only because they're a QB2 on a weak team and their QB1 is out for a single week. Even then, you can't really count on it.

I still think VY will be the backup worth having as I think he can pick up the offense by the time Vick gets dinged (I imagine he'll last 4-5 games at least, which should be plenty of time). Not only that, VY is from the same mold as Vick, so it wouldn't require a change in playcalling.

If I can find a backup in the Colt McCoy range, I'd probably be willing to skip Young if he doesn't fall to me. But with 24 QB's being started, there's a good chance that someone considers McCoy one of their starters, so it's unlikely I'd get him on the cheap. The players that are most likely to be available for QB3's are in the Alex Smith/Henne/Grossman vein, which obviously doesn't really excite most people.

 

[Joe Summer]

Vince Young is a must-handcuff in pretty much any format. The Eagles are stacked and Young will be a top-10 QB if he sees the field. It's like owning Marc Bulger in the Kurt Warner glory days.

 

[Joe Summer]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

:golfclap:

 

[Chaka]

Vick took 134 hits (runs and sacks) in 11 games.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

I can't imagine why they'd already have Young 2nd on the depth chart and Kafka 3rd if they're not at least wanting Young to be the backup. Young, with all his faults, has at least started a game in this league, attempted more than 20 passes and thrown a touchdown in the pros. Three things Kafka hasn't to date.I suppose you could make an argument Kafka is in this discussion, but in the same way Deji Karim is in the discussion if MJD misses time.

There's also the fact that Vince Young wouldn't have signed under the premise of being #3, there's a save face situation. Kafka is ego neutral and under contract, so there's no worry about placating him. As an Eagles fan I hope V. Young is CLEARLY the option at #2 -- because otherwise it means he's struggled. But thus far, if Vick (gasp) got hurt today, I would expect Kafka would be the Week One starter. That may change in a week or two (let's be fair, Vince has been a part of this offense for a whopping two weeks), but he has a lot to learn/demonstrate/prove before I think Andy would trust him with the keys to that race car.

All of that is fair. Truth be told, you can never be 100% certain about the backup.

 

[HMKRich]

Kafka played well last night.

 

[shortbow]

I would rather have any other 3rd QB than VY as a handcuff.

 

[Shane Falco]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

ThisShort-term would be VY. Long-term would be Kafka b/c he knows the offense.

 

[Insein]

roughly 64 QBs start every year; it isn't but that's an average of two per team.

You're talking about 1 or 2 games to cover for Vick. With such a hand-picked window, you could just wait and get someone off the waiver wire that has the best matchups.

Young's ability to pickup and offense has been questioned many times and we have seen him in a plodding offense at times. There is zero guarantee that he will be asked to do a good Vick imitation, but I imagine Reid got him for his game-manager skills.

I would project strong numbers for Young if it were for an extended period of time as the Eagles would have no choice but to get him ready and adjust as much as necessary.

I think preseason will show us some of Young's comfort in the offense. He should get more reps and thus garner more stats than Vick in preseason so those will also need to be taken in with a grain of salt.

In a 2QB league, there are no QB's on the waiver wire. To the OP, I would handcuff a QB when the offense is prolific and the backup has a handle on it. Last year, drafting Vick to handcuff Kolb was smart because Vick started to show he had it down in the preseason. VY looks terrible so far. Kafka has looked better. You'd be better off making sure you have a QB3 and QB4 on the bench that are decent like a David Garrard or Matt Cassell in case something happens. Those guys you should be able to get in the 8th round and up in a 2QB league.

 

[Jason Wood]

I'm not sure why you would assume Vince Young would play. At this point, Kafka would replace Vick IMHO.

ThisShort-term would be VY. Long-term would be Kafka b/c he knows the offense.

I actually think it anything it's the other way around. Right now it's Kafka (IMHO), and maybe Young can continue to progress to the point where he overtakes Kafka. But as likely (again, IMHO), Young could not have a future with this team.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

I took Vick at 1.04 in my 2 QB league. Grabbed Young late for catastrophe insurance. Have no idea who Kafka is :guppy:

 

[Insein]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

I took Vick at 1.04 in my 2 QB league. Grabbed Young late for catastrophe insurance. Have no idea who Kafka is :guppy:

No idea who Kafka is?!?!!?!?!

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

I took Vick at 1.04 in my 2 QB league. Grabbed Young late for catastrophe insurance. Have no idea who Kafka is :guppy:

No idea who Kafka is?!?!!?!?!

I have a high profile job and a six month old baby at home. I don't have time to care about the third string QB on the Eggles.

 

[Insein]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

I took Vick at 1.04 in my 2 QB league. Grabbed Young late for catastrophe insurance. Have no idea who Kafka is :guppy:

No idea who Kafka is?!?!!?!?!

I have a high profile job and a six month old baby at home. I don't have time to care about the third string QB on the Eggles.

Well Mr. High Profile Job, you need to make time. I have 2, 7 month old babies at home and I still know who the 3rd string QB is for Chicago (currently Nathan Enderle) let alone Philly. Come on man where's the dedication!?

 

[Ysatnaf_Gnik]

Is Kafka not in this equation still for Vick

When Kafka woke up one morning from unsettling dreams, he found himself changed in his bed into a monstrous vermin

I took Vick at 1.04 in my 2 QB league. Grabbed Young late for catastrophe insurance. Have no idea who Kafka is :guppy:

No idea who Kafka is?!?!!?!?!

I have a high profile job and a six month old baby at home. I don't have time to care about the third string QB on the Eggles.

Mr High Profile Job might not be as savvy as his otherwise high profile job might indicate....IT TOOK YOU MORE TIME TO COME TO THIS FORUM AND POST THIS GARBAGE HERE THAN IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU TO JUST GOOGLE 'EAGLES QB'

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Just googled 'EAGLES QB' - I see several references to Vick, Young, Kolb, and McNabb. Nothing about this schlub Kafka, so I'm going to assume he's irrelevant for fantasy purposes.

 

[Insein]

Just googled 'EAGLES QB' - I see several references to Vick, Young, Kolb, and McNabb. Nothing about this schlub Kafka, so I'm going to assume he's irrelevant for fantasy purposes.

Yea pretty much. Just like Young. I'd snag a sleeper WR/RB in that late round than handcuff VY for Vick.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Just googled 'EAGLES QB' - I see several references to Vick, Young, Kolb, and McNabb. Nothing about this schlub Kafka, so I'm going to assume he's irrelevant for fantasy purposes.

Yea pretty much. Just like Young. I'd snag a sleeper WR/RB in that late round than handcuff VY for Vick.

I have plenty of sleeper WR/RB types, too. It's a 2 QB league so I have to handcuff Vick somehow; there's nothing but garbage left on the waiver wire (Kafka, etc.) If Vick goes down I need to already have his replacement waiting on my bench.

 

[Insein]

Just googled 'EAGLES QB' - I see several references to Vick, Young, Kolb, and McNabb. Nothing about this schlub Kafka, so I'm going to assume he's irrelevant for fantasy purposes.

Yea pretty much. Just like Young. I'd snag a sleeper WR/RB in that late round than handcuff VY for Vick.

I have plenty of sleeper WR/RB types, too. It's a 2 QB league so I have to handcuff Vick somehow; there's nothing but garbage left on the waiver wire (Kafka, etc.) If Vick goes down I need to already have his replacement waiting on my bench.

Which is why you need a solid QB3 and QB4. I don't think VY will give you the stats you need if vick goes down that a McNabb or Cassell would provide.

 

[Joe Bryant]

As Jason said, first we have to determine whether it's Kafka or Young. But whoever it is definitely has value. As special as Vick is, he still takes way too many hits. The backup QB in PHI has to be ready to play. Maybe more ready than other QB.

J

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Which is why you need a solid QB3 and QB4. I don't think VY will give you the stats you need if vick goes down that a McNabb or Cassell would provide.

On the contrary. A McNabb or a Cassel isn't going to give me the stats I need if Vick goes down. That's why you're suggesting they'd still be available as a QB3 in a start 2 QB league - if they were worth starting, someone would draft them sooner. Besides, in this league, 24 QBs were off the board by the end of round 9 I think. Before thinking about a backup QB I should at least fill out my starting lineup, so I need 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, and a TE. That's 8 rounds right there. That means if I want a "solid" QB3, they pretty much have to be the first bench player I draft. I'm not sure that's a good idea if I already have a stud QB starter. I need to look for RB and WR depth first.Furthermore, regarding whether or not VY will give me the stats I need, he was QB11 in 2006 and QB17 in 2007 (the only two years he played 15 games). The past few years he hasn't played full seasons but on a per-game basis I think he's produced starter-worthy fantasy points, and he's arguably in a better situation in Philly. Add it all up and handcuffing VY to Vick makes far more sense than counting on some QB3 or QB4 who would cost more than Young and probably produce less. Now, if Young isn't actually Vick's backup, then you might say this is all moot, but if that turns out to be the case, I'll just drop Young (or some other benchwarmer) for Kafka.

 

[Insein]

Which is why you need a solid QB3 and QB4. I don't think VY will give you the stats you need if vick goes down that a McNabb or Cassell would provide.

On the contrary. A McNabb or a Cassel isn't going to give me the stats I need if Vick goes down. That's why you're suggesting they'd still be available as a QB3 in a start 2 QB league - if they were worth starting, someone would draft them sooner. Besides, in this league, 24 QBs were off the board by the end of round 9 I think. Before thinking about a backup QB I should at least fill out my starting lineup, so I need 2 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, and a TE. That's 8 rounds right there. That means if I want a "solid" QB3, they pretty much have to be the first bench player I draft. I'm not sure that's a good idea if I already have a stud QB starter. I need to look for RB and WR depth first.Furthermore, regarding whether or not VY will give me the stats I need, he was QB11 in 2006 and QB17 in 2007 (the only two years he played 15 games). The past few years he hasn't played full seasons but on a per-game basis I think he's produced starter-worthy fantasy points, and he's arguably in a better situation in Philly. Add it all up and handcuffing VY to Vick makes far more sense than counting on some QB3 or QB4 who would cost more than Young and probably produce less. Now, if Young isn't actually Vick's backup, then you might say this is all moot, but if that turns out to be the case, I'll just drop Young (or some other benchwarmer) for Kafka.

I guess. Young hasn't looked good and will take awhile to learn the offense. If Vick goes down early in the season, I feel Andy would goto Kafka since he has a year in the system. In which case you might not be able to grab him off the WW then. But to each their own.

 

[GregR]

I'm thinking that until we see or hear more in preseason, the best play for a Vick owner who wants to assure the handcuff, is to get Vince Young early by NFL backup QB standards, and if you have the roster space for both then get Kafka very late.

Though just plain having a solid back up QB from some other NFL team is also a very good idea.

Article on Kafka vs VY:

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20110825_Paul_Domowitch__Kafka_might_be_ahead_of_Young_as_Eagles_backup.html