How is Rodgers not the MVP? (1 Viewer)

[Run It Up]

I love this discussion because everyone else has been eliminated from the post season.

 

[General Tso]

I love this discussion because everyone else has been eliminated from the post season.

Just wait till you hear all the excuses...- Green Bay had a tougher road- the Pats had it easy with all the AFC opponents choking- Denver got robbed by the officials- Peyton actually only had 2 turnovers. The Pick 6 was actually a good read and a great throw.- Rodgers had a bad DefenseThe real MVP of the NFL, year after year after year, is still playing.

 

[Sarnoff]

I watched the game in an old bar, seeing Rodgers "improvise" those ill-advised shuffle passes and the rest of his decision making looked Favre-ian. Bad Favre, not the 18 months he was Good Favre.

 

[meyerj31]

I watched the game in an old bar, seeing Rodgers "improvise" those ill-advised shuffle passes and the rest of his decision making looked Favre-ian. Bad Favre, not the 18 months he was Good Favre.

I actually thought Rodgers played a pretty good game given his situation and the absurd time of possession difference in the 49ers favor. The interception he threw was on a 60-yard pass on third down. I'm 100% sure Rodgers knew it was 3rd down before he threw that ball. Why not try for the long shot when you'd just be punting? Jordy was also open and could have been completed if it had been a little more to the right instead of straight down the field. I liked the shot. Rodgers also completed 66% and had two TDs, albeit one in garbage time.The biggest issue for Rodgers was that they had the ball 1/3rd of the game.If you were to pro-rate his production over the time where he had the ball, I don't think it would be far off what he's done all year... in fact, I did the math. 257/2, with 24 offensive points having the ball 21 minutes is 367/3 and 34 offensive points over having the ball 30 minutes. That's fantastic production! How many other QBs score at that clip? Manning/Brady/Brees. And he did that pace against the 49ers defense.The fact that the defense just could not get off the field prohibited Rodgers from scoring many points. If New England's defense was getting mopped that badly and Brady only had the ball 21 minutes he wouldn't be scoring more than 24 offensive points on the 49ers either. Add to that with less time the defense is on the field, the more rested they are, so those 21 minutes are harder than each minute when the defense plays 30 minutes.

 

[sho nuff]

I love this discussion because everyone else has been eliminated from the post season.

Just wait till you hear all the excuses...- Green Bay had a tougher road- the Pats had it easy with all the AFC opponents choking- Denver got robbed by the officials- Peyton actually only had 2 turnovers. The Pick 6 was actually a good read and a great throw.- Rodgers had a bad DefenseThe real MVP of the NFL, year after year after year, is still playing.

Or you people will realize its a regular season award?

 

[sho nuff]

I watched the game in an old bar, seeing Rodgers "improvise" those ill-advised shuffle passes and the rest of his decision making looked Favre-ian. Bad Favre, not the 18 months he was Good Favre.

I actually thought Rodgers played a pretty good game given his situation and the absurd time of possession difference in the 49ers favor. The interception he threw was on a 60-yard pass on third down. I'm 100% sure Rodgers knew it was 3rd down before he threw that ball. Why not try for the long shot when you'd just be punting? Jordy was also open and could have been completed if it had been a little more to the right instead of straight down the field. I liked the shot. Rodgers also completed 66% and had two TDs, albeit one in garbage time.The biggest issue for Rodgers was that they had the ball 1/3rd of the game.If you were to pro-rate his production over the time where he had the ball, I don't think it would be far off what he's done all year... in fact, I did the math. 257/2, with 24 offensive points having the ball 21 minutes is 367/3 and 34 offensive points over having the ball 30 minutes. That's fantastic production! How many other QBs score at that clip? Manning/Brady/Brees. And he did that pace against the 49ers defense.The fact that the defense just could not get off the field prohibited Rodgers from scoring many points. If New England's defense was getting mopped that badly and Brady only had the ball 21 minutes he wouldn't be scoring more than 24 offensive points on the 49ers either. Add to that with less time the defense is on the field, the more rested they are, so those 21 minutes are harder than each minute when the defense plays 30 minutes.

Its sarnoff/videoguy...he is fishing.

 

[Run It Up]

I love this discussion because everyone else has been eliminated from the post season.

Just wait till you hear all the excuses...- Green Bay had a tougher road- the Pats had it easy with all the AFC opponents choking- Denver got robbed by the officials- Peyton actually only had 2 turnovers. The Pick 6 was actually a good read and a great throw.- Rodgers had a bad DefenseThe real MVP of the NFL, year after year after year, is still playing.

Or you people will realize its a regular season award?

What makes you think we aren't entirely aware of that?

 

[tdmills]

Rodgers didn't play well in the playoff game, I don't think that's fishing.Prior to the garbage time TD drive Rodgers was: 18/30 60% 182 yards 6.1 YPA 1 TD 1 INT. On the season he averages 67%, 7.78 YPA. He was throwing shorter and still not completing as many passes as an MVP/great QB should in a big game.Looking at the game drive by drive I may blame McCarthy for a lack of a running game.(Score)(run plays)(pass plays)(completions - attempts)(result)7-7, 0 runs, 3 passes, 1-3, punt7-7, 5 runs, 2 passes, 1-2, TD14-14, 2 runs, 3 passes, 0-3, INT14-21, 2 runs, 4 passes, 3-3, TD (20 penalty yards on SF D)21-24, 2 runs, 1 pass, sacked, punt21-24, 2 runs, 6 passes, 5-6, FG (False start hurt here)24-31, 0 run, 6 passes, 2-5, punt24-38, 0 run, 8 passes, 6-8, punt24-45, 0 run, 11 passes, 8-9, TDThe only drive of the game GB ran more than they passed resulted in a TD. GB needed to at least keep the 49er defense honest with the run game and it would've helped the GB defense rest/help with TOP.

 

[Sarnoff]

What makes that "fishing"? He looked like Bad Farve out there on several plays and I'm not the only person who made the comment. His ego has been writing checks his arm can't cash for a year now.

 

[sho nuff]

Because you constantly make ridiculous comments to try and get reactions out of others.Its ok videoguy..its what you do. Embrace it.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Because you constantly make ridiculous comments to try and get reactions out of others.Its ok videoguy..its what you do. Embrace it.

If it is ok he does that why do you respond to him?

 

[sho nuff]

Because you constantly make ridiculous comments to try and get reactions out of others.Its ok videoguy..its what you do. Embrace it.

If it is ok he does that why do you respond to him?

Because I enjoy pointing out people like him and ghetto and you stratton...exposing your crap on this board for what it is.Take it how you want...you think you are "getting to me"...or its "easy to f with me"...hilarious how deluded you can be.Now run off and copy this over to your buddies to call me and others here d-bags.Or just try having an actual conversation on this board for once. Til then...no need to take much of what you all say seriously and instead will just mock it (laughing because any post by me will create a response from one of you here...and 2-3 more posts over at :e:...yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

 

[Sarnoff]

I'm not trying to get reactions out of everyone. I'm making points and stating my opinions. In fact, I'd rather hear nothing more from you ever again. All you post are personal attacks, or you accuse others of making personal attacks against you. It's tiresome.

 

[sho nuff]

I'm not trying to get reactions out of everyone. I'm making points and stating my opinions. In fact, I'd rather hear nothing more from you ever again. All you post are personal attacks, or you accuse others of making personal attacks against you. It's tiresome.

There is an ignore feature for that...if you don't like what I post...use it.But you can try and play innocent that you are not fishing...your history and participation in a topic calling out people from this board as d-bags proves otherwise.

 

[Stinger Ray]

Because you constantly make ridiculous comments to try and get reactions out of others.

Its ok videoguy..its what you do. Embrace it.

If it is ok he does that why do you respond to him?

Because I enjoy pointing out people like him and ghetto and you stratton...exposing your crap on this board for what it is.Take it how you want...you think you are "getting to me"...or its "easy to f with me"...hilarious how deluded you can be.

Now run off and copy this over to your buddies to call me and others here d-bags.

Or just try having an actual conversation on this board for once. Til then...no need to take much of what you all say seriously and instead will just mock it (laughing because any post by me will create a response from one of you here...and 2-3 more posts over at :e:...yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

You might want to do the same It's funny you think you are the model poster despite the fact you are usually one involved in most of the pissing matches here.

 

[asuterlowe]

The guy was 2nd in passing TD's with only 8 attempts in a year without his WR1 and WR2 most of the year. No running game, the other team knows he's passing and only 8 ints. He isn't the MVP, but hes certainly top 5.

 

[Stinger Ray]

The guy was 2nd in passing TD's with only 8 attempts in a year without his WR1 and WR2 most of the year. No running game, the other team knows he's passing and only 8 ints. He isn't the MVP, but hes certainly top 5.

He had a great season!

 

[Abrantes]

yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

As someone outside this childish pissing match, it seems pretty clear that you are, and it takes next to no effort to get a bite. You can't help it, but the sooner you realize that you don't HAVE to engage in pointless bickering, the better off the Shark Pool will be.

 

[Chachi]

I'm not trying to get reactions out of everyone. I'm making points and stating my opinions. In fact, I'd rather hear nothing more from you ever again. All you post are personal attacks, or you accuse others of making personal attacks against you. It's tiresome.

There is an ignore feature for that...if you don't like what I post...use it.But you can try and play innocent that you are not fishing...your history and participation in a topic calling out people from this board as d-bags proves otherwise.

The Chachinator thinks you're being defensive.

 

[sho nuff]

Because you constantly make ridiculous comments to try and get reactions out of others.

Its ok videoguy..its what you do. Embrace it.

If it is ok he does that why do you respond to him?

Because I enjoy pointing out people like him and ghetto and you stratton...exposing your crap on this board for what it is.Take it how you want...you think you are "getting to me"...or its "easy to f with me"...hilarious how deluded you can be.

Now run off and copy this over to your buddies to call me and others here d-bags.

Or just try having an actual conversation on this board for once. Til then...no need to take much of what you all say seriously and instead will just mock it (laughing because any post by me will create a response from one of you here...and 2-3 more posts over at :e:...yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

You might want to do the same It's funny you think you are the model poster despite the fact you are usually one involved in most of the pissing matches here.

I have regular conversations here all the time there Stratton.I dont recall thinking or even saying im some model poster.

And there pissing matches like this that I take responsibilty for being a part of. Others are laughable (pregame topic I believe for MN game or tje SF game that was going fine til 3 people tried blaiming me for ruining a topic that was nothing but civil football talk until their comments.

 

[Stinger Ray]

yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

As someone outside this childish pissing match, it seems pretty clear that you are, and it takes next to no effort to get a bite. You can't help it, but the sooner you realize that you don't HAVE to engage in pointless bickering, the better off the Shark Pool will be.

 

[sho nuff]

yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

As someone outside this childish pissing match, it seems pretty clear that you are, and it takes next to no effort to get a bite. You can't help it, but the sooner you realize that you don't HAVE to engage in pointless bickering, the better off the Shark Pool will be.

Pointing out the fishing is now biting too huh?Interesting.I post once...they post 5+ times between a few people and 2 boards.Seems they get caught more often than they "catch" anything.I think the pool will be a much better place without people who have admitted to be here for no other reason than to stir the pot and call others d-bags.But I know stratton and videoguy won't agree(thats stinger and sarnoff btw).I will leave it at that in this topic.

 

[Stinger Ray]

yet you claim I am the fish...hah!!!)

As someone outside this childish pissing match, it seems pretty clear that you are, and it takes next to no effort to get a bite. You can't help it, but the sooner you realize that you don't HAVE to engage in pointless bickering, the better off the Shark Pool will be.

Pointing out the fishing is now biting too huh?Interesting.

I post once...they post 5+ times between a few people and 2 boards.

Seems they get caught more often than they "catch" anything.

I think the pool will be a much better place without people who have admitted to be here for no other reason than to stir the pot and call others d-bags.

But I know stratton and videoguy won't agree(thats stinger and sarnoff btw).

I will leave it at that in this topic.

 

[Sarnoff]

Time will tell, next season we'll see if the regression continues. I see no evidence that he's still on an upward trajectory. Everyone's skills peak at some point and then fall off, and I think Rodgers' decision-making and declining skillset shows his best days are behind him.

 

[devouredbychaos]

I watched the game in an old bar, seeing Rodgers "improvise" those ill-advised shuffle passes and the rest of his decision making looked Favre-ian. Bad Favre, not the 18 months he was Good Favre.

I actually thought Rodgers played a pretty good game given his situation and the absurd time of possession difference in the 49ers favor. The interception he threw was on a 60-yard pass on third down. I'm 100% sure Rodgers knew it was 3rd down before he threw that ball. Why not try for the long shot when you'd just be punting? Jordy was also open and could have been completed if it had been a little more to the right instead of straight down the field. I liked the shot. Rodgers also completed 66% and had two TDs, albeit one in garbage time.The biggest issue for Rodgers was that they had the ball 1/3rd of the game.If you were to pro-rate his production over the time where he had the ball, I don't think it would be far off what he's done all year... in fact, I did the math. 257/2, with 24 offensive points having the ball 21 minutes is 367/3 and 34 offensive points over having the ball 30 minutes. That's fantastic production! How many other QBs score at that clip? Manning/Brady/Brees. And he did that pace against the 49ers defense.The fact that the defense just could not get off the field prohibited Rodgers from scoring many points. If New England's defense was getting mopped that badly and Brady only had the ball 21 minutes he wouldn't be scoring more than 24 offensive points on the 49ers either. Add to that with less time the defense is on the field, the more rested they are, so those 21 minutes are harder than each minute when the defense plays 30 minutes.

Did you not watch the Pats Niners game?? Brady put 28 pts up on that D in 20 minutes, and they were getting beat even worse than the Packers. Granted they lost, but Brady made that game much more closer. Rodgers couldn't even do that against them. Keep trying to come up with excuses though.

 

[sho nuff]

I watched the game in an old bar, seeing Rodgers "improvise" those ill-advised shuffle passes and the rest of his decision making looked Favre-ian. Bad Favre, not the 18 months he was Good Favre.

I actually thought Rodgers played a pretty good game given his situation and the absurd time of possession difference in the 49ers favor. The interception he threw was on a 60-yard pass on third down. I'm 100% sure Rodgers knew it was 3rd down before he threw that ball. Why not try for the long shot when you'd just be punting? Jordy was also open and could have been completed if it had been a little more to the right instead of straight down the field. I liked the shot. Rodgers also completed 66% and had two TDs, albeit one in garbage time.The biggest issue for Rodgers was that they had the ball 1/3rd of the game.If you were to pro-rate his production over the time where he had the ball, I don't think it would be far off what he's done all year... in fact, I did the math. 257/2, with 24 offensive points having the ball 21 minutes is 367/3 and 34 offensive points over having the ball 30 minutes. That's fantastic production! How many other QBs score at that clip? Manning/Brady/Brees. And he did that pace against the 49ers defense.The fact that the defense just could not get off the field prohibited Rodgers from scoring many points. If New England's defense was getting mopped that badly and Brady only had the ball 21 minutes he wouldn't be scoring more than 24 offensive points on the 49ers either. Add to that with less time the defense is on the field, the more rested they are, so those 21 minutes are harder than each minute when the defense plays 30 minutes.

Did you not watch the Pats Niners game?? Brady put 28 pts up on that D in 20 minutes, and they were getting beat even worse than the Packers. Granted they lost, but Brady made that game much more closer. Rodgers couldn't even do that against them. Keep trying to come up with excuses though.

How much did he put up before those 20 minutes?And why were they down so much? (psst...some of it was Brady's poor play that you like to forget to mention).BTW...some of why the Packers defense was on the field so much was because of the poor play of the Packer offense and Rodgers too...so don't think I give him a pass for all of it)

 

[Chachi]

Give me Brady over Rodgers every time.

 

[Phlash]

I'm as big a Brady fan as I know, but why does Aaron Rodgers suddenly have to be considered Favre-esque in this discussion? Come on... he will never be the turnover machine old man Brett was for years. Aaron Rodgers, statistically, was the MVP this year. If I could give the award out, I'd give it to Brady every season because of my homerism, but Rodgers has been carrying that team on his back.

 

[Ghost Rider]

It speaks volumes to how amazing his 2011 season was when him going 39-8 TD-INT this year is considered a regression.

 

[Sarnoff]

I'm as big a Brady fan as I know, but why does Aaron Rodgers suddenly have to be considered Favre-esque in this discussion? Come on... he will never be the turnover machine old man Brett was for years. Aaron Rodgers, statistically, was the MVP this year. If I could give the award out, I'd give it to Brady every season because of my homerism, but Rodgers has been carrying that team on his back.

AP carried his team more. And the Patriots would be 2-14 without Tom Brady.

 

[General Tso]

I'm as big a Brady fan as I know, but why does Aaron Rodgers suddenly have to be considered Favre-esque in this discussion? Come on... he will never be the turnover machine old man Brett was for years. Aaron Rodgers, statistically, was the MVP this year. If I could give the award out, I'd give it to Brady every season because of my homerism, but Rodgers has been carrying that team on his back.

Dude, you need to watch more football and read more statistics. "Aaron Rodgers, statistically, was the MVP this year"? Care to support that argument with actual stats?

 

[Chazzhawk]

I'm as big a Brady fan as I know, but why does Aaron Rodgers suddenly have to be considered Favre-esque in this discussion? Come on... he will never be the turnover machine old man Brett was for years. Aaron Rodgers, statistically, was the MVP this year. If I could give the award out, I'd give it to Brady every season because of my homerism, but Rodgers has been carrying that team on his back.

AP carried his team more. And the Patriots would be 2-14 without Tom Brady.

I am a Pat homer as much as anyone else but I guess you were in a coma in 2008.

 

[devouredbychaos]

Give me Brady over Rodgers every time.

 

[DropKick]

It speaks volumes to how amazing his 2011 season was when him going 39-8 TD-INT this year is considered a regression.

I think the high expectations he set work against him to some degree. People aren't surprised by a stellar performance... And the Packers, as a team, finished about where they were expected to finish. A guy like Peterson, who elevates a marginal team to the play-offs, will likely get more consideration.If it were up to me... more "difference maker" than "best player" I consider Peterson, RGIII and even Russell Wilson.

 

[Run It Up]

It speaks volumes to how amazing his 2011 season was when him going 39-8 TD-INT this year is considered a regression.

I think the high expectations he set work against him to some degree. People aren't surprised by a stellar performance... And the Packers, as a team, finished about where they were expected to finish. A guy like Peterson, who elevates a marginal team to the play-offs, will likely get more consideration.If it were up to me... more "difference maker" than "best player" I consider Peterson, RGIII and even Russell Wilson.

We typically call that the Tom Brady effect.

 

[meyerj31]

It speaks volumes to how amazing his 2011 season was when him going 39-8 TD-INT this year is considered a regression.

I think the high expectations he set work against him to some degree. People aren't surprised by a stellar performance... And the Packers, as a team, finished about where they were expected to finish. A guy like Peterson, who elevates a marginal team to the play-offs, will likely get more consideration.If it were up to me... more "difference maker" than "best player" I consider Peterson, RGIII and even Russell Wilson.

Are you kidding me with this garbage? Do you have any idea how good the Seahawks would be with that defense and running game if Rodgers were running the show? This is an insane comment. Look at how good the Broncos have been all year when a top QB takes over a team with a solid defense and good run game. Most people considered them easily the best team in the league going into the playoffs. It's too bad their defense choked against the Ravens but they're still a top team.