How long until Vince Young is an average... (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will it be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

 

[gocats]

I say never, 4.5/4.6 is just too slow to be a Micheal Vick type QB in the NFL, his patented, "throw it up and pray" just wont cut it. Plus, the Texas playbook consisted primarily of:

1. Hand off J. Charles/Romance Taylor

2. Shotgun throw it up and pray to TE

3. '' '' '' '' '' '' '' WR

Also add for two and three "or VY runs."

This is why Mack Brown is better known for recruiting than x's and o's.

Ex. See Brad Banks (Iowa QB)

 

[LHUCKS]

I say never

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

There's a strong possibility he'll never be an average QB and I forgot to put this as an option. Just write-in if you're vote is "never."

 

[LHUCKS]

with McNair gone and rumors of Young starting in year one has your opinion changed?

 

[Frills]

VY is a WR.

When he has to run a pro style offense he'll stumble and fail again and again. It took Mack Brown over 2 years to dumb the UT offense down enough.

The "Run Vince Run" play doesn't work in the NFL

 

[Big Score]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

With his particular skill set, much like Michael Vick, Young will never be "an average starting NFL QB".He will however, be quite an effective QB, starting in the later part of 2006 and on.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

My vote was for 2007. I think he will struggle when he gets into games this year, but he eventually will be decent.

LHUCKS, what is your opinion on this topic? TIA......

 

[LHUCKS]

LHUCKS, what is your opinion on this topic? TIA......

I think he's going be subpar for quite sometime.

 

[Chase Stuart]

He'll never be an average QB.

He'll be a bench warmer in 2006, a below average QB in 2007, and a stud QB for the rest of his career.

 

[StuntRock]

I'm surprised that so many people think VY won't do well because he's dumb as a brick. I'm also surprised to see all the Vick comparisons. VY isn't anything like Vick. Vince Young is the second coming of Aaron Brooks, plain and simple. He will probably be capable of putting up great numbers, occasionally, but will be very inconsistent. He will overcome his mental shortcomings with raw physical talent, and will, eventually, become a solid but unspectacular QB.

 

[Iron_Far]

He'll never be an average QB.

He'll be a bench warmer in 2006, a below average QB in 2007, and a stud QB for the rest of his career.

 

[diesel7982]

2007 we'll see Young become a winning NFL QB. 2008 we'll see Young become a Pro-Bowl level QB.

 

[diesel7982]

VY is a WR.

When he has to run a pro style offense he'll stumble and fail again and again. It took Mack Brown over 2 years to dumb the UT offense down enough.

The "Run Vince Run" play doesn't work in the NFL

Oklahoma fan?

 

[ben4titans]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I'm surprised that so many people think VY won't do well because he's dumb as a brick. I'm also surprised to see all the Vick comparisons. VY isn't anything like Vick. Vince Young is the second coming of Aaron Brooks, plain and simple. He will probably be capable of putting up great numbers, occasionally, but will be very inconsistent. He will overcome his mental shortcomings with raw physical talent, and will, eventually, become a solid but unspectacular QB.

I think this is a good post. I have heard of all the Vick comparisons, but this is the first Aaron Brooks comment I have heard. I do see some similarities. Brooks has had better talent to work with around him (Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, Boo and McAllister) than Young will but time can change that.

 

[P Boy]

Average? 2 years.

How long until he becomes the prototype new age QB that the Vick lovers & sports media would like Vick to be but that Vick isn't capable of being? 3-4 years.

 

[diesel7982]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

 

[diesel7982]

I'm surprised that so many people think VY won't do well because he's dumb as a brick.  I'm also surprised to see all the Vick comparisons.  VY isn't anything like Vick.  Vince Young is the second coming of Aaron Brooks, plain and simple.  He will probably be capable of putting up great numbers, occasionally, but will be very inconsistent.  He will overcome his mental shortcomings with raw physical talent, and will, eventually, become a solid but unspectacular QB.

I think this is a good post. I have heard of all the Vick comparisons, but this is the first Aaron Brooks comment I have heard. I do see some similarities. Brooks has had better talent to work with around him (Horn, Stallworth, Pathon, Boo and McAllister) than Young will but time can change that.

Randall Cunningham.

 

[ben4titans]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

 

[mozzy84]

I think he's going to be more like culpepper than brooks or vick myself.

 

[StuntRock]

I think he's going to be more like culpepper than brooks or vick myself.

Not until he puts on a good 50 lbs and starts picking Linebackers up with one hand and throwing them across the field.

 

[diesel7982]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

Assuming 4-5 Rushing TDs, those are top 5 QB numbers. Fitting, since McNair was a top 5-8 QB when he was younger.Again, I dont understand why "fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince over those numbers"

Do fantasy leaguers want their QBs to throw for their points, rather than run for them?

 

[mozzy84]

I think he's going to be more like culpepper than brooks or vick myself.

Not until he puts on a good 50 lbs and starts picking Linebackers up with one hand and throwing them across the field.

I meant more like he won't be able to read a defense and he will turn the ball over every other series. ok he'll be like brooks too I guess.

 

[John Mamula]

Never as many have pointed out above.

None of his QB skills translate to the NFL.

 

[Aabye]

I think he's going to be more like culpepper than brooks or vick myself.

Not until he puts on a good 50 lbs and starts picking Linebackers up with one hand and throwing them across the field.

Um, I think you've confused Daunte Culpepper with an ogre.Ogre

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I say never

There's a strong possibility he'll never be an average QB and I forgot to put this as an option. Just write-in if you're vote is "never."

I say "never" because I think he'll always be above average.

 

[T Man]

I'm surprised that so many people think VY won't do well because he's dumb as a brick. I'm also surprised to see all the Vick comparisons. VY isn't anything like Vick. Vince Young is the second coming of Aaron Brooks, plain and simple. He will probably be capable of putting up great numbers, occasionally, but will be very inconsistent. He will overcome his mental shortcomings with raw physical talent, and will, eventually, become a solid but unspectacular QB.

I really do not see this comparison. I would agree with a Randall Cunningham comparison - and we'll see if he settles down like RC did later in his career.Brooks has the tools, he just lacks leadership ability. I do not think he has ever been called a fiery competitor. He is not a true scrambler.

IF anything, VY is a competitor and leader. He is a scrambler to the extent he will run.

 

[LHUCKS]

I say never

There's a strong possibility he'll never be an average QB and I forgot to put this as an option. Just write-in if you're vote is "never."

I say "never" because I think he'll always be above average.

Including his rookie year??

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

I say never

There's a strong possibility he'll never be an average QB and I forgot to put this as an option. Just write-in if you're vote is "never."

I say "never" because I think he'll always be above average.

Including his rookie year??

Well, I am assuming that he won't play (at least start games) in his rookie year. Virtually no (yes, there are exceptions) rookie QB is at least average the rookie year.I think he starts season 2, though, unless Volek stays healthy and excels...which would be all good for everyone involved.

 

[ben4titans]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

Assuming 4-5 Rushing TDs, those are top 5 QB numbers. Fitting, since McNair was a top 5-8 QB when he was younger.Again, I dont understand why "fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince over those numbers"

Do fantasy leaguers want their QBs to throw for their points, rather than run for them?

What is so great about those numbers? If you play in a 12 team league you are looking at a ranked 8-12 QB fantasy points wise.

 

[diesel7982]

Never as many have pointed out above.

None of his QB skills translate to the NFL.

Of course not. He was lucky to be drafted.Good thing those guys in the NFL don't have scouting departments, or they might have figured this out.

 

[diesel7982]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

Assuming 4-5 Rushing TDs, those are top 5 QB numbers. Fitting, since McNair was a top 5-8 QB when he was younger.Again, I dont understand why "fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince over those numbers"

Do fantasy leaguers want their QBs to throw for their points, rather than run for them?

What is so great about those numbers? If you play in a 12 team league you are looking at a ranked 8-12 QB fantasy points wise.

Well, lets use the FBG scoring system(i think this is what they use, correct me if Im wrong)Check my math here:

3000 * .2 = 150 FP

17 * 4 = 68 FP

500 * .1 = 50 FP

5 * 6 = 30 FP

And lets say he throws 15 INTs

15 * -1 = -15 FP

Total of 283 FP

Heres a link to the FBG projections...you tell me where Young would rank.

FBG QB PROJECTIONS

EDIT: I see you said 22 total. Let me recalculate. 283 FP total.

 

[Warpig]

Some people are forgetting that if Fisher doesn't do well this year, Chow may take over as HC. Do you actually think that Chow would run as conservative offense as Fisher? How many points a game did USC average while he was there? And now Chow has a player that is more of a "weapon" than Leinart and Palmer were. I bashed this guy just as much as everyone else did. Between the "dumbed down" offense at Texas to the "Wonderlic-gate" episode and his "non-traditional throwing motion" everyone forgot about his ability to take over a game against top notch defenses. He has boom or bust written all over him but his upside far outweighs his bust potential. And all said so far he has been doing all the right things at OTA's and training camps. He will earn the respect of the veterans and should gel with the other young players. Give him a year of seasoning and some consistency with his OC/HC and he could be a monster! I'm looking forward to him producing respectable numbers by his 2nd year and gradually improving each year after that until it plateaus.

 

[diesel7982]

Some people are forgetting that if Fisher doesn't do well this year, Chow may take over as HC. Do you actually think that Chow would run as conservative offense as Fisher? How many points a game did USC average while he was there? And now Chow has a player that is more of a "weapon" than Leinart and Palmer were. I bashed this guy just as much as everyone else did. Between the "dumbed down" offense at Texas to the "Wonderlic-gate" episode and his "non-traditional throwing motion" everyone forgot about his ability to take over a game against top notch defenses. He has boom or bust written all over him but his upside far outweighs his bust potential. And all said so far he has being doing all the right things at OTA's and training camps. He will earn the respect of the veterans and should gel with the other young players. Give him a year of seasoning and some consistency with his OC/HC and he could be a monster! I'm looking forward to him producing respectable numbers by his 2nd year and gradually improving each year after that until it plateaus.

Where on Earth did you get that? Chow almost decided to leave the Titans this offseason because of the workload and the difficulty of just having an offensive coordinator position. In no way is he ready to be an NFL HC.

I have never heard this discussed as even a remote possibility before here in Nashville.

The only candidate Ive heard of as Fisher's successor is Gregg Williams.

 

[Warpig]

Some people are forgetting that if Fisher doesn't do well this year, Chow may take over as HC.  Do you actually think that Chow would run as conservative offense as Fisher?  How many points a game did USC average while he was there?  And now Chow has a player that is more of a "weapon" than Leinart and Palmer were.  I bashed this guy just as much as everyone else did.  Between the "dumbed down" offense at Texas to the "Wonderlic-gate" episode and his "non-traditional throwing motion" everyone forgot about his ability to take over a game against top notch defenses.  He has boom or bust written all over him but his upside far outweighs his bust potential.  And all said so far he has being doing all the right things at OTA's and training camps.  He will earn the respect of the veterans and should gel with the other young players.  Give him a year of seasoning and some consistency with his OC/HC and he could be a monster!  I'm looking forward to him producing respectable numbers by his 2nd year and gradually improving each year after that until it plateaus.

Where on Earth did you get that? Chow almost decided to leave the Titans this offseason because of the workload and the difficulty of just having an offensive coordinator position. In no way is he ready to be an NFL HC.

I have never heard this discussed as even a remote possibility before here in Nashville.

The only candidate Ive heard of as Fisher's successor is Gregg Williams.

I assumed that since Chow is so highly touted that if Fisher left, Reese would want Chow as the HC. I didn't realize Chow was having such a hard time. Man, Weiss would have been the better selection huh? Gregg Williams as a HC? :X That would be a big downtick for Young's progression. But their defense would be awesome!

 

[ben4titans]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

Assuming 4-5 Rushing TDs, those are top 5 QB numbers. Fitting, since McNair was a top 5-8 QB when he was younger.Again, I dont understand why "fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince over those numbers"

Do fantasy leaguers want their QBs to throw for their points, rather than run for them?

What is so great about those numbers? If you play in a 12 team league you are looking at a ranked 8-12 QB fantasy points wise.

Well, lets use the FBG scoring system(i think this is what they use, correct me if Im wrong)Check my math here:

3000 * .2 = 150 FP

17 * 4 = 68 FP

500 * .1 = 50 FP

5 * 6 = 30 FP

And lets say he throws 15 INTs

15 * -1 = -15 FP

Total of 283 FP

Heres a link to the FBG projections...you tell me where Young would rank.

FBG QB PROJECTIONS

EDIT: I see you said 22 total. Let me recalculate. 283 FP total.

I use Yahoo, which would be3000*.02 = 60

22*6 = 132

500*.05 = 25

15*-2 = -30

Total of 187 pts. I cant access Yahoo right now so I dont know how that would stack up against QB's last year.

 

[TLEF316]

He'll never be an average QB.

He'll be a bench warmer in 2006, a below average QB in 2007, and a stud QB for the rest of his career.

having to read pro defenses down?

 

[diesel7982]

In terms of overall effectiveness, how long will be until he is at the very least an average starting NFL QB?

He'll be an average QB by 2008 at the latest. The Titans offense will probably resemble that of 1997-98 when we were a power running team, used the TE's and short passing game. That is what Jeff Fisher is comfortable with and that is a system that Vince Young could manage. I dont forsee Vince being a fantasy superstar.

I can understand an argument against Vince being an effective NFL QB, but I find it hard to believe anyone can argue against him being a top 10 fantasy QB.

We're talking about a guy who will likely run for 600-700 yards a season, and lets say 5 TDs. Assuming hes a bad passer, throwing for 150/1 a game, that means he would have a 16 game total of:

2400/16, 600/5.

Thats the equivalent of a QB throwing for 3600/26, depending on your scoring system.

And I think those are fairly conservative numbers.

What is it that you disagree with? Do you think he'll run less?

I would compare McNair's numbers 1997-2000 as a good starting point. Roughly 3000 pass yds, 22 total TD's, 10 INTs and 500 rush yds. Those are decent numbers but fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince Young over those numbers. Fisher will run a very conservative offense the first few years Vince is in there, especially if Lendale becomes the power back Chow/Fisher hope he is. The difference between McNair and Young is I dont know if Vince will make the transition to being a true pocket passer in the later half of his career.

Assuming 4-5 Rushing TDs, those are top 5 QB numbers. Fitting, since McNair was a top 5-8 QB when he was younger.Again, I dont understand why "fantasy drafters arent going to be in a rush to draft Vince over those numbers"

Do fantasy leaguers want their QBs to throw for their points, rather than run for them?

What is so great about those numbers? If you play in a 12 team league you are looking at a ranked 8-12 QB fantasy points wise.

Well, lets use the FBG scoring system(i think this is what they use, correct me if Im wrong)Check my math here:

3000 * .2 = 150 FP

17 * 4 = 68 FP

500 * .1 = 50 FP

5 * 6 = 30 FP

And lets say he throws 15 INTs

15 * -1 = -15 FP

Total of 283 FP

Heres a link to the FBG projections...you tell me where Young would rank.

FBG QB PROJECTIONS

EDIT: I see you said 22 total. Let me recalculate. 283 FP total.

I use Yahoo, which would be3000*.02 = 60

22*6 = 132

500*.05 = 25

15*-2 = -30

Total of 187 pts. I cant access Yahoo right now so I dont know how that would stack up against QB's last year.

Curious as to what other leagues or formats you play?

 

[diesel7982]

Some people are forgetting that if Fisher doesn't do well this year, Chow may take over as HC.  Do you actually think that Chow would run as conservative offense as Fisher?  How many points a game did USC average while he was there?  And now Chow has a player that is more of a "weapon" than Leinart and Palmer were.  I bashed this guy just as much as everyone else did.  Between the "dumbed down" offense at Texas to the "Wonderlic-gate" episode and his "non-traditional throwing motion" everyone forgot about his ability to take over a game against top notch defenses.  He has boom or bust written all over him but his upside far outweighs his bust potential.  And all said so far he has being doing all the right things at OTA's and training camps.  He will earn the respect of the veterans and should gel with the other young players.  Give him a year of seasoning and some consistency with his OC/HC and he could be a monster!  I'm looking forward to him producing respectable numbers by his 2nd year and gradually improving each year after that until it plateaus.

Where on Earth did you get that? Chow almost decided to leave the Titans this offseason because of the workload and the difficulty of just having an offensive coordinator position. In no way is he ready to be an NFL HC.

I have never heard this discussed as even a remote possibility before here in Nashville.

The only candidate Ive heard of as Fisher's successor is Gregg Williams.

I assumed that since Chow is so highly touted that if Fisher left, Reese would want Chow as the HC. I didn't realize Chow was having such a hard time. Man, Weiss would have been the better selection huh? Gregg Williams as a HC? :X That would be a big downtick for Young's progression. But their defense would be awesome!

Gregg Williams was the DC here under Fisher before he left to go to Washington, so it would be a homecoming of sorts.I think it will be interesting to see how he does when he gets a shot again. Numerous coaches have failed in their first time around, and Williams is damn good at coaching defense obviously.

I agree hed have to hire a damn good OC though.

 

[Jous]

Never. He made his living in college with the option offense, and that's not going to work in the NFL....and in college he also made his living by running around constantly and scaring defenses, and while it will work to a certain extent in the NFL, it won't last forever and won't be as effective as it was in college.

In terms of his throwing ability, he's just above average. I have no concerns about his strange release, but I question just how good of a thrower he is....I think a lot of his completions were because defenses were concerned with Young taking off and running and gaining 30 yards, and I already said that won't be as effective in the NFL.

He'll be a starter in Tennessee for a few years, and a starter somehwere else after the Titans are sick of them just because teams will keep thinking about what he's capable of....but he'll never be a Pro Bowler, and will be one of those QB's who's always just 1 or 2 bad games from sitting on the bench.

Vince will be a glorified Kordell Stewart.

 

[jurb26]

Vince will be a glorified Kordell Stewart.

Stewart actually had a year in which he finished 3rd in league MVP voting. Are you saying that he will be better than that when you say "glorified?"

 

[gman8343]

Vince will be a glorified Kordell Stewart.

Stewart actually had a year in which he finished 3rd in league MVP voting. Are you saying that he will be better than that when you say "glorified?"

that's not really Kordell Stewert's legacy, though, is it?

 

[Big Score]

I'm also surprised to see all the Vick comparisons. VY isn't anything like Vick.

I don't know about others who use Vick in the same sentence as Young, but for me, I wasn't suggesting you compare them as similar QB's. What I was trying to get across, is that Young, like Vick, won't be your prototypical, drop back in the pockett, passing QB.

 

[Jous]

What I mean is that Young is just going to be (and currently is) a more-hyped version of Kordell Stewart, but will be about as good as him. He and Stewart have a lot in common as far as physical skills go, and that includes strengths and weaknesses.

Think Mike Vick, only not quite as good at scrambling.

 

[jurb26]

Vince will be a glorified Kordell Stewart.

Stewart actually had a year in which he finished 3rd in league MVP voting. Are you saying that he will be better than that when you say "glorified?"

that's not really Kordell Stewert's legacy, though, is it?

No, but the question was how long until Young becomes an average QB. Now how long and for what duration. I can see Young having a couple of good seasons if things break right.

 

[jurb26]

What I mean is that Young is just going to be (and currently is) a more-hyped version of Kordell Stewart, but will be about as good as him. He and Stewart have a lot in common as far as physical skills go, and that includes strengths and weaknesses.

Think Mike Vick, only not quite as good at scrambling.

Im not sure why people continue to think this way, Vick has yet to have a season like Stewart did n 97 or mabye even 01. Vick still has some living up to do to even be Stewart IMO.

 

[Table]

What I mean is that Young is just going to be (and currently is) a more-hyped version of Kordell Stewart, but will be about as good as him. He and Stewart have a lot in common as far as physical skills go, and that includes strengths and weaknesses.

Think Mike Vick, only not quite as good at scrambling.

Im not sure why people continue to think this way, Vick has yet to have a season like Stewart did n 97 or mabye even 01. Vick still has some living up to do to even be Stewart IMO.

I think Vince Young will be more like Big Ben in his first year except he can scramble a lot better.

 

[Jous]

If Vince Young is ever in his career better than Roethlisberger was in his rookie season, I'll be surprised....I truly think Young will be a bust, probbaly only a little more successful than Akili Smith.

BTW, I think Vick's 2002 season was better than anything Stewart ever had....IMO anyway

 

[-OZ-]

What I mean is that Young is just going to be (and currently is) a more-hyped version of Kordell Stewart, but will be about as good as him. He and Stewart have a lot in common as far as physical skills go, and that includes strengths and weaknesses.

Think Mike Vick, only not quite as good at scrambling.

Im not sure why people continue to think this way, Vick has yet to have a season like Stewart did n 97 or mabye even 01. Vick still has some living up to do to even be Stewart IMO.

I think Vince Young will be more like Big Ben in his first year except he can scramble a lot better.

Wow, expecting to see the Titans go 15-1? Am I the only one who read Fisher's comment:

"Let's face it. You're going to see 10 on the field this year,"

And wondered why he's playing one player short?

 

[nygiants56]

Never as many have pointed out above.

None of his QB skills translate to the NFL.

Not sure about the Aaron Brooks references, but I do see a lot of Kordell Stewart in him...Norm Chow is as good an OC as you're going to find, so maybe both he and Fisher can work some magic with VY, and they took him over Leinart , someone Chow was familiar with, so they must've seen something in VY ( unless, of course, ownership trumped their demands for Leinart and told them to select VY)

one thing's for sure , VY has a knack for winning in big games..

as one person pointed out, he had a tendency to toos it up to the TE while at Tx..

well, he has one the best up-n-coming TE's to throw to in Tenn, Ben Troupe..

all that being said, I think it's going to be a while before VY becomes a decent starting QB, I'm not sure his skill set translates well to the NFL..and if he does become a quality starter, like LHUCKS said, it's going to take some time, before that happens, perhaps a few years...

I'm not sure he's worth the wait, quite honestly..