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[Splicer]

I am in a Dynasty league (keep 8 each year) with rb's of Westbrook, Benson+Jones,Foster and Droughns.

How long until Foster loses the starting job to Williams? I have been offered a trade from the guy with Williams for Foster for a couple of 2nd round picks in years to come.

Is he dead weight within 2 years or is he in it for the long haul?

I am tempted to get what I can now before he drops off the map.

 

[Shermanator]

I am in a Dynasty league (keep 8 each year) with rb's of Westbrook, Benson+Jones,Foster and Droughns.How long until Foster loses the starting job to Williams? I have been offered a trade from the guy with Williams for Foster for a couple of 2nd round picks in years to come.Is he dead weight within 2 years or is he in it for the long haul?I am tempted to get what I can now before he drops off the map.

I think you are over reacting a bit. Although a dynasty league does change things a little. But baring injury, Foster wont be replaced this year by Williams

 

[Da Guru]

Since Carolina just gave Foster a huge new contract this past off-season it may be at least 2 years away.

 

[DeCleater]

I am in a Dynasty league (keep 8 each year) with rb's of Westbrook, Benson+Jones,Foster and Droughns.

How long until Foster loses the starting job to Williams? I have been offered a trade from the guy with Williams for Foster for a couple of 2nd round picks in years to come.

Is he dead weight within 2 years or is he in it for the long haul?

I am tempted to get what I can now before he drops off the map.

I think you are over reacting a bit. Although a dynasty league does change things a little. But baring injury, Foster wont be replaced this year by Williams

Injury being the key word. Not if but when.

 

[Native]

I say the middle of next season.....

 

[el-gato-grande]

Williams had the most non-descript offseason of any of the heralded runningbacks in this years draft. I am not a Foster owner, but I think he is the starter there in 06'. But, the loss of their starting left tackle to a knee injury won't help his (or anyone's) production on offense this season.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Since Carolina just gave Foster a huge new contract this past off-season it may be at least 2 years away.

I don't recall it being "huge" - I thought it was actually pretty modest as far as RBs go, IIRC.

 

[Steelers4Life]

I'm a Foster dynasty owner, and of all the things that worry me about Foster for this season (his injury history, Wharton's knee injury, Smith's hammy...), Deangelo Williams is NOT one of them.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Williams had the most non-descript offseason of any of the heralded runningbacks in this years draft. I am not a Foster owner, but I think he is the starter there in 06'. But, the loss of their starting left tackle to a knee injury won't help his (or anyone's) production on offense this season.

 

[Footballhead]

The only difference between Foster and Williams that I see right now is experience and injury. Foster has the experience and is injury free, for now. Both run behind a bad O-line.

 

[Dirtyduzn]

"It's not that I want to Kill Foster.....It's just that I dont want Foster to be around anymore."

-Stewie Griffin regarding Lois

and a fellow D. Williams owner

 

[Skippy the one eyed Beagle]

I think he is good to go for at least this year.

 

[DoubleG]

One game does not equal a season. I wouldn't worry too much. A few thoughts:

1) If 1 game = season, owners of LJ and SA would be trading each for Gore straight up - I don't see it happening. Oh and Michael Jenkins >> Holt, R.Moss, R.Wayne, C. Chambers?? I don't think so (even though I own him...)

2) The Panthers may have played their worst game of the year - against an opponent that many (including them) have probably unerestimated.

3) Without Steve Smith, the Panthers passing game is not a very big threat. Johnson is older and slower (read "easy to double team") thus allowing teams to put 8+ in the box. When Smith is back in the lineup, you will see Foster's number's go up nicely.

4) Carolina actually threw to Foster 5 times (he had 4 receptions). If you pencil that out to 8 yards/catch (a conservative estimate based on his historic YPC average) that's about 30-40 receiving yards a game. In PPR leagues that's a nice little bonus (and even in non PPR, it makes his scoring more consistant)

Barring injury (and his previous two have been fluke broken bones - not nagging hammy or knee-type recurring injury problems) he is solid for this year, at least. And even then, only if Williams get's on the field and WOWs people.

 

[Avery]

One game does not equal a season. I wouldn't worry too much. A few thoughts:1) If 1 game = season, owners of LJ and SA would be trading each for Gore straight up - I don't see it happening. Oh and Michael Jenkins >> Holt, R.Moss, R.Wayne, C. Chambers?? I don't think so (even though I own him...)2) The Panthers may have played their worst game of the year - against an opponent that many (including them) have probably unerestimated.3) Without Steve Smith, the Panthers passing game is not a very big threat. Johnson is older and slower (read "easy to double team") thus allowing teams to put 8+ in the box. When Smith is back in the lineup, you will see Foster's number's go up nicely.4) Carolina actually threw to Foster 5 times (he had 4 receptions). If you pencil that out to 8 yards/catch (a conservative estimate based on his historic YPC average) that's about 30-40 receiving yards a game. In PPR leagues that's a nice little bonus (and even in non PPR, it makes his scoring more consistant)Barring injury (and his previous two have been fluke broken bones - not nagging hammy or knee-type recurring injury problems) he is solid for this year, at least. And even then, only if Williams get's on the field and WOWs people.

Not that I don't think you make some valid points, but "thoughts" 1, 2 and 3 focus on how one game does not equal a season and what made game 1 an anomaly while your 4th "thought" uses Foster's game 1 receiving stats to extrapolate receptions for the entire season.You can't dismiss unfavorable stats from the 1st game on one hand to make your point, and then use favorable stats from that same game to reinforce your point. Again, not that your wrong ,but it does appear that you have previously drawn your conclusion about Foster and are selectively choosing stats that reinforce that conclusion rather than looking at all the stats and using them to make a conclusion.

 

[WhoDat]

When he learns how read, react and pass protect Williams will start getting snaps. He nearly got Delhomme killed last Sunday. After that play he was immediately sent back to the end of the bench.

It was about the same as the preseason game against Miami. You know the one where he looked solid returning a kick for a TD and breaking a couple runs? Well, he whiffed and misread a couple of blitzes in that game and it resulted in Delhomme getting hammered twice and caused 1 turnover.

Williams has a nice skill set and bag of tricks but the kid will not play until he can block. Williams is a liability to that offense at this time. If he cannot be used on passing downs, then the defense knows it is a run play. Thus, you can't use him. The defense knows what is coming.

If the defense knows he cannot pass protect or read worth a damn and he is on the field on a passing down, then guess what happens? The blitz is coming...hard...at Williams. Coverage will roll to protect that area Delhomme will have to go with the football.

 

[slickwillie]

for what its worth, i remember reading on these boards, back when williams was first drafted, that foster signed a contract that is very affordable for carolina to get out of after one season.

 

[DoubleG]

One game does not equal a season. I wouldn't worry too much. A few thoughts:

1) If 1 game = season, owners of LJ and SA would be trading each for Gore straight up - I don't see it happening. Oh and Michael Jenkins >> Holt, R.Moss, R.Wayne, C. Chambers?? I don't think so (even though I own him...)

2) The Panthers may have played their worst game of the year - against an opponent that many (including them) have probably unerestimated.

3) Without Steve Smith, the Panthers passing game is not a very big threat. Johnson is older and slower (read "easy to double team") thus allowing teams to put 8+ in the box. When Smith is back in the lineup, you will see Foster's number's go up nicely.

4) Carolina actually threw to Foster 5 times (he had 4 receptions). If you pencil that out to 8 yards/catch (a conservative estimate based on his historic YPC average) that's about 30-40 receiving yards a game. In PPR leagues that's a nice little bonus (and even in non PPR, it makes his scoring more consistant)

Barring injury (and his previous two have been fluke broken bones - not nagging hammy or knee-type recurring injury problems) he is solid for this year, at least. And even then, only if Williams get's on the field and WOWs people.

Not that I don't think you make some valid points, but "thoughts" 1, 2 and 3 focus on how one game does not equal a season and what made game 1 an anomaly while your 4th "thought" uses Foster's game 1 receiving stats to extrapolate receptions for the entire season.You can't dismiss unfavorable stats from the 1st game on one hand to make your point, and then use favorable stats from that same game to reinforce your point. Again, not that your wrong ,but it does appear that you have previously drawn your conclusion about Foster and are selectively choosing stats that reinforce that conclusion rather than looking at all the stats and using them to make a conclusion.

An interesting point. I can see where that would be confusing. While it is true that it is not good to take one week's worth of stats to show anything (especially if you're basing them on certain types of numbers), there are some factors I do like to look at. For example, Michael Jenkins fantasy point stat output, I believe is skewed. While he did have 70+ receiving yards and a TD, most of it cam on one play, he only had 3 receptions and was only targeted 5 times. Roddy White was ALSO targeted 5 times. Whose the #1 in Atlanta (not that it matters much)? Well if you looked only at production, one would be foreced to say Jenkins, but the other numbers do not necessarily bare that out. As a second example, Warrick Dunn rushed for 132 yards but no TDs. Historically Dunn has averaged only 5 rushing TDs a year over the last 3 years. Some Dunn owners may be thinking "here we go again!" - but those numbers were with Duckett. I like Dunn to score 8-10 TDs this year (probably mostly rushing and 1 or 2 receiving.)

My point in 4 was that Foster was targeted 5 times, partly because he is a versatile RB who stays on the field on 3rd downs and partly because Carolina seems to think he need to touch the ball (20 touches aint great - but it's not bad considering that number in proportion to the number of times his teamates saw the ball).

While it's true that one cannot take too much from one game - a team's general tendancies and how often a player is likely to see the ball can help. As a final example who would you rather have: Heath Miller or Drew Bennet. After week 1 Bennet had 97 yards receiving (no TDs) and Miller had 101 and a TD. Pretty even right? Well, Miller only caught 3 passes (one was for 87 yards and was the TD). Bennet caught 8. Miller was targeted only 3 times (he caught all 3) Bennet was targeted 16 times. Bennet is clearly the focus of the Titan passing attack, while Miller had a nice week, but will likely not repeat those kinds of numbers on a regular basis.

 

[Lombardi's Orphan Son]

for what its worth, i remember reading on these boards, back when williams was first drafted, that foster signed a contract that is very affordable for carolina to get out of after one season.

i remember the same and i would want to keep Foster b/c i see the scenario where he's the #1 this year in Carolina and then gets traded elsewhere for next year where he can be a #1 as well ... or at least compete for it.i think Foster's roll with the Panthers will increase once they work with him more and rely upon him more. even though he's been on the team for what seems an eternity, he's never been featured or relied upon. with Steve Smith out for an extended period, i wouldn't be surprised if they throw to him more. once they start that and he shows he can handle it, i would think they would continue.-orphan

 

[Biabreakable]

I am not sure where NBC is getting this information from, I am still looking.

But I saw this when reading up on Carolina matchups vs. Vikings.

--RB DeAngelo Williams could see an increased workload this week against the Vikings.

http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/91113/detail.htmlI know I am not the only Viking fan concerned about what DeAngelo Williams may bring to this game if he gets significant playing time.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

for what its worth, i remember reading on these boards, back when williams was first drafted, that foster signed a contract that is very affordable for carolina to get out of after one season.

That's correct.Carolina RB Faceoff

 

[Hue G]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

If last year is any indication, Foster would have to be really bad before he lost the job to a rook.

Foster is another RB who I don't consider to be a legit NFL caliber RB, but he'll play well enough to keep the rook off the field... when he plays.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

Yeah... Those guys were drafted like what, 5 years ago? They sure have proved a lot since then and made a definitive statement.

 

[strong]

I am not sure where NBC is getting this information from, I am still looking.

But I saw this when reading up on Carolina matchups vs. Vikings.

--RB DeAngelo Williams could see an increased workload this week against the Vikings.

http://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/91113/detail.htmlI know I am not the only Viking fan concerned about what DeAngelo Williams may bring to this game if he gets significant playing time.

PERSONNEL NEWSPanthers:

--RB DeAngelo Williams could see an increased workload this week against the Vikings.

--RB DeShaun Foster could see a decrease in reps this week with DeAngelo Williams possibly getting more caries.

Interesting... What they're reporting is encouraging for Williams owners, but it's hardly a direct quote from Fox or something.

In my opinion, people are writing Williams off a little too soon. That's not to gloss over his struggles in pass protection, but the guy is a fantastic talent and Foster has never been that special. Who knows how it will play out. But if Carolina's offense struggles again this weekend without Smith, I wouldn't be surprised to see Williams get some carries. And he may impress...

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

PERSONNEL NEWS

Panthers:

--RB DeAngelo Williams could see an increased workload this week against the Vikings.

--RB DeShaun Foster could see a decrease in reps this week with DeAngelo Williams possibly getting more caries.

PERSONNEL NEWSAny Team USA:

-- Position player Player A could see an increased workload this week against the team Any Team USA is playing.

-- Same position player player B could see a decrease in reps this week with Player A possibly getting more carries.

 

[[scooter]]

I just cut Williams with no regrets.

He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

 

[JohnnyU]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 10:33 AM' post='5537155']I just cut Williams with no regrets. He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

When Foster gets injuried (not if), I'm pretty sure Williams will get scooped up pretty quick. Will you be the one who gets him? Are you first on your league's WW priority?

 

[[scooter]]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 10:33 AM' post='5537155']I just cut Williams with no regrets. He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

When Foster gets injuried (not if), I'm pretty sure Williams will get scooped up pretty quick. Will you be the one who gets him? Are you first on your league's WW priority?

Foster isn't going to get injured in the next 2 weeks. If Williams shows the slightest bit of potential between now and then, I might pick him up. But any RB who gets ZERO carries can ride the WW as far as I'm concerned.

 

[JohnnyU]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 11:05 AM' post='5537535']Foster isn't going to get injured in the next 2 weeks. If Williams shows the slightest bit of potential between now and then, I might pick him up. But any RB who gets ZERO carries can ride the WW as far as I'm concerned.

Early bird gets the worm

 

[MLBrandow]

Since Carolina just gave Foster a huge new contract this past off-season it may be at least 2 years away.

Boo contract analysis!Hooray Beer! I give him 2 more games of mediocrity until you start seeing some significant DWill, and about 4 games until you don't see any Foster.

 

[broncofan13000]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 08:33 AM' post='5537155']I just cut Williams with no regrets. He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

You might wanna pick him back up. He won't be there in 3 weeks.

 

[SanDawg]

This past Thursday I traded him straight up for Norwood in a 4 man keeper.

Feeling good tonight.

 

[[scooter]]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 08:33 AM' post='5537155']I just cut Williams with no regrets. He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

You might wanna pick him back up. He won't be there in 3 weeks.

We have a short bench in this league (10 starters, 6 bench) so tough decisions must be made. I cut him for Desmond Clark so I can't complain too much.

 

[PSULions]

Since Carolina just gave Foster a huge new contract this past off-season it may be at least 2 years away.

I am trying to find the link to provide more details, but I remember reading about the new contract with Foster is structured that he could be dropped without much cap impact should his health or his performance not warrant the remaining two years of the contract. Williams provided a much needed spark for the offense today and even though we loss a tough game thanks to Fox's boneheaded call on the lateral on the punt return, Williams will definitely see an increase of his touches.Depending on how the rest of the season pans out, I definitely think Williams will be the starter sometime this season and down the road.I will check back with a link on Foster's contract, but living here I know that I have read about the contract and it does not tie the Panthers to Foster past this year if things don't work out.

 

[PSULions]

' date='Sep 17 2006, 10:52 PM' post='5542237']

' date='Sep 17 2006, 08:33 AM' post='5537155']I just cut Williams with no regrets. He'll still be on the waiver wire in 3 weeks if I feel the need to add him to my team again.

You might wanna pick him back up. He won't be there in 3 weeks.

We have a short bench in this league (10 starters, 6 bench) so tough decisions must be made. I cut him for Desmond Clark so I can't complain too much.

Someone will be picking him up this week so unless you are lucky enough to grab him back, you may regret your quick decision to drop him after last week. :(

 

[vegasrobb]

He played most of the 4th quarter and ended up splitting the carries. Delhomme seemed to like throwing to him as well.

 

[Wingnut]

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Times yours by 2.I can't believe how poorly Carolina has done so far. Foster wrecked his chance of being the primary guy with the odd change of pace from Williams.Now it is going to be RBBC and/or whoever has the hot hand.Damn you Foster.Had Foster as my RB 3 and with the way Jordan is producing I needed him to become my RB 2. Fantasy can be so frusturating.

 

[Kleck]

Foster looked terribly slow today. Williams looked like a game breaker. Enormous difference in speed between the two.

 

[oswizzle]

Foster has looked like ### all through pre-season and up until now....When S.Smith returns and Deangelo running the ball I can see this offense doing its thing

 

[BigJim®]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

 

[Hue G]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

DeAngelo very well could be, way too early to tell.

 

[Hue G]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

DeAngelo very well could be, way too early to tell.

That's why I said potential.

 

[Men-in-Cleats]

Foster looked terribly slow today. Williams looked like a game breaker. Enormous difference in speed between the two.

I'm having some serious Deja Vu with Foster and being in a similar situation with Barlow a couple of years ago. They are both seemingly talented part-time starters who flourished at the end of the previous season getting full carries and were assumed to be able to carry the load the next year only to fall flat on their faces. Main difference is that Foster has a talented first round draft pick waiting in the wings to take over if he fails, while Barlow didn't. I imagine that getting Smith back will open up the big play potential in the offense and open up some running lanes but that isn't going to bring back their starting left tackle though.

 

[Biabreakable]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

In 2006? You shouldn't be so hard on Maroney. He has looked very promising. He might be able to outscore Edge this year if Dillon gets out of the way.

 

[Couch Potato]

On Saturday I traded away Foster (and V Jackson) for Roy Williams (and Betts) in a dynasty league. It's a very RB-hungry league, and it was the other owner who had made the offer.

While I've known since Jello was drafted that I'd be in trouble sooner or later owning Foster, it was reading and thinking about this thread on Saturday that helped make the decision to do the deal at this time rather than holding Foster longer. I though on Saturday that I might have let him go a little early, but as it turns out maybe I jumped ship just in time while his perceived value could still get me a very good WR. I'm pretty sure I couldn't make that same deal today, after what happened on Sunday.

Thanks for the thread, guys!

 

[Koya]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

DeAngelo very well could be, way too early to tell.

Why the Warrick Dunn comparison? Makes little sense to me. Williams has the build to be a "traditional" full time back.

 

[BigJim®]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

I'm a huge Gopher fan and would love to see Maroney become the next Edge. But while Maroney dazzled at times in his RBBC role in Minnesota (and he did), he never carried the full load and broke down quickly when he was asked to (after MBIII left). As great as he has looked in a few carries in the NFL so far, I would have zero confidence that he can stay as healthy as Edge did. I'm a big DeAngelo fan and while I think both he and Maroney have what it takes to become stars, IMHO Williams is the more likely because he has the wiggle to avoid some of the hits Maroney will be running headlong into. DeAngelo is more proven as a primary carrier as evidenced by his doing it for 300+ carries twice in his college career. Regardless, your comparison of DeAngelo to Dunn is just plain silly, since Dunn checks in at 180 soaking wet and DeAngelo measures in around 210-215; DeAngelo also had the 2nd most bench press reps among RBs at the combine. I'm just saying it shoots your credibility when you compare a guy who is every bit the size/strength/speed of a prototypical RB to the smallest feature RB you can think of. It comes off as reaching for a put-down comparison.

 

[JohnnyU]

Remember the days when people thought DeAngelo Williams was going to be better than Maroney???

DeAngelo Williams = Warrick Dunn potentialMaroney = Edgerrin James potential

I'm a huge Gopher fan and would love to see Maroney become the next Edge. But while Maroney dazzled at times in his RBBC role in Minnesota (and he did), he never carried the full load and broke down quickly when he was asked to (after MBIII left). As great as he has looked in a few carries in the NFL so far, I would have zero confidence that he can stay as healthy as Edge did. I'm a big DeAngelo fan and while I think both he and Maroney have what it takes to become stars, IMHO Williams is the more likely because he has the wiggle to avoid some of the hits Maroney will be running headlong into. DeAngelo is more proven as a primary carrier as evidenced by his doing it for 300+ carries twice in his college career. Regardless, your comparison of DeAngelo to Dunn is just plain silly, since Dunn checks in at 180 soaking wet and DeAngelo measures in around 210-215; DeAngelo also had the 2nd most bench press reps among RBs at the combine. I'm just saying it shoots your credibility when you compare a guy who is every bit the size/strength/speed of a prototypical RB to the smallest feature RB you can think of. It comes off as reaching for a put-down comparison.

AND you him on that one.