How many games will Suh be suspended? (1 Viewer)

[FavreCo]

You don't stomp on a guy s you are moving away. He was avoiding the guy trying to grab his foot. If Suh was smart he would have let the guy trip him up and have the penalty go the other way. Suh moved in a way that said 'leave my foot alone', not 'I am going to hurt you.' There is a huge difference.

...trying to grab his foot.Let me help you out of this disaster you have created for yourself. 'It really wasn't a stomp, it was more of a kick'. This is the best I can do. You are in a deep, deep hole.Clear video showing absolutely no grab of the leg.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXDmCVSnn1U

 

[sycamore]

Link plus Aikman/Buck comments

Aikman says he "Jams the helmet into the turf 3 times"...some of us said smash or bash 3 times in the game thread and were called out for exaggerating but I think we just agreed with Aikman who is paid millions to comment on the games.

Buck replies with a low moan and groan like he just saw violence for the 1st time in his life.

I agree however he is going to get a suspension, just a matter of how many games. This is similar to what Fat Albert did a few years back and i would expect at least 1-2 games, 3-4 would not surprise me either and Goodell could even sit him down for the rest of the regular season. You can't do what he did and no matter if he inflicted pain or not to the other player he lost control and he's lucky he didn't make full contact on the kick or strike him in the head or chest.

The real travesty here is that Aikman is paid millions for his commentary. What a joke.

 

[duaneok66]

slightly off topic but Suh's penalty was a major blow to the defense who had just stopped GB - of course they make it 14-0 and the rest is history. GB probably would have won anyway, but Suh's selfish actions gave them no chance.

Suh is a leader. NOT.

 

[SofaKings]

slightly off topic but Suh's penalty was a major blow to the defense who had just stopped GB - of course they make it 14-0 and the rest is history. GB probably would have won anyway, but Suh's selfish actions gave them no chance. Suh is a leader. NOT.

Who claimed he was a leader? Vandebosch, Avril, Tulloch and Delmas are the leaders on that defense.

 

[mbuehner]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Somewhere Marcus Vick is laughingselling crack

Better

 

[mad sweeney]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

 

[Tom Servo]

At any of you that are defending this piece of ####.

Has anyone defended his actions? Why do people keep saying this?

Pointing out that he's not going to jail in leg irons and beaten/flogged in the public square = defending him, apparently.

 

[mad sweeney]

At any of you that are defending this piece of ####.

Has anyone defended his actions? Why do people keep saying this?

Pointing out that he's not going to jail in leg irons and beaten/flogged in the public square = defending him, apparently.

At least one person is trying to convince people that it wasn't a stomp.

 

[Tom Servo]

Also, it would also be a good time to point out that some of you should take a timeout to hit the fridge for some Thanksgiving leftovers. You're spending a lot of emotional energy on this topic.

 

[GregR]

Suh gets his heel caught on the inside leg of the guy on the ground. Who puts his hands up, but doesn't grab anything.

I think he got free and could have moved away without stepping on the Packer at all. But even if I was going to buy it was necessary to catch his balance, Suh intentionally adds extra force to his foot coming down. I.e. a stomp.

It looks straight forward. Suh's foot got caught, he figured the guy was holding it, and he lashed out and stomped at the guy.

 

[mbuehner]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

 

[eoMMan]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Harsh much?!? I have a problem with what happened today but I'd take him on my team anyday.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Really?Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Harsh much?!? I have a problem with what happened today but I'd take him on my team anyday.

Right on MNS, me too but I did lose some respect for him today just the same. I don't think he is going to learn his lesson until Roger throws the hammer down and I expect that to happen soon. All commentators have said he is a candidate for a multiple game suspension. I know Roger doesn't listen to the commentators for how he will rule however that is representative of public backlash and will work its way back to his desk so I imagine he will come down hard on Suh this time. How many guys has Goodell really had to suspend this season?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

1 + time served.

But he's obviously made the judgment that he doesn't care about fines and suspensions - he thinks he benefits more from playing 'mean' no matter what Goodell says.

So it's other teams that are going to have to change the math for him. What he really needs is some backup O-linemen going at him low with serious intent to injure after he's engaged high.

Zero idea why teams let guys like Suh eff with their QB or stomp on guys laying on the ground. You have to protect your own players - what the Commish can do after the fact doesn't help you any.

 

[Tom Servo]

Breaking News: Goodell has just suspended James Harrison 4 games for Suh's kick.

 

[munchkin]

He's not just screwing his team for one game, a very important one at that, but for multiple games. He's no Albert haynesworth though. He will learn from this, eventually, and be a more disciplined player in the long run. The Lions are still developing. This guy is a leader on the field. Other veterans have the "speak from experience" aura about them but Suh is the focal point of the defense. Schwartz will "help" Suh gain perspective.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Breaking News: Goodell has just suspended James Harrison 4 games for Suh's kick.

Might as well give Stacey Mack two as well, only seems appropriate.

 

[Tom Servo]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Really?Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

To read this thread, you'd swear he killed someone today.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Wow, looks like a Wusses Anonymous meeting broke out while I was getting my eat on. Bunch of nancies in here.

 

[Das Boot]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Really?Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

To read this thread, you'd swear he killed someone today.

People don't like dirty players

 

[mad sweeney]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

 

[Tom Servo]

Wow, looks like a Wusses Anonymous meeting broke out while I was getting my eat on. Bunch of nancies in here.

Careful; those High Horse Society members will fall off their rides calling you biased since he played for Nebraska.

 

[Tom Servo]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Really?Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

To read this thread, you'd swear he killed someone today.

People don't like dirty players

Explain the Oakland Raiders of the 1970s. I'll take your answer off the air.

 

[Hoss Style]

Eh...

Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.

This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.

He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.

It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

 

[kinghill]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

People actually think that this and worse does not go on in every single NFL game? Good thing that the camera does not see what takes place under the pile. We would be calling for the suspension of every player in the NFL.

Bull. Sure, I'm sure occasionally something happens at bottom of those big piles where your really can't see too much, but cameras today are always zoomed in showing closeup slowmo replays, that's why they don't get away with that #### these days.

 

[wormburner]

Suh biggest problem is other players know he can be provoked into a penalty. Both players went to the ground with the hands in each other face. Suh should not have held the guys head down, but there was not stomp. Suh was trying to get away, he was being pushed and the guy was grabbing at his foot. I am betting there is not even a scratch on the guy. A 300 lb guy stomping on someone with cletes would result in stiches. This is being blown out of proportion and misrepresnted. Suh needs to learn or he will continue to get these type of penalties.

Looks like there are 2 people on the planet now that beleive that.

The guy was grabbing at Suh's foot? People need to watch the video closer. But it won't change minds, Suh is preceived as dirty, so people will see what they want.

This works both ways.

 

[mbuehner]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

fine, but if money wont motivate him, and since its obvious that he has no regard for his team or the game, you have to wonder how he remains in thd league much longer. Because his behavior is entitely unnacceptable. Sooner or later hes going to hurt someone, and if its aaron rodgers who gets jacked up...

 

[mad sweeney]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

fine, but if money wont motivate him, and since its obvious that he has no regard for his team or the game, you have to wonder how he remains in thd league much longer. Because his behavior is entitely unnacceptable. Sooner or later hes going to hurt someone, and if its aaron rodgers who gets jacked up...

You keep saying this but you've yet to prove it. He takes undisciplined penalties, that's not indicative of having no regard for his team. And Haynesworth is still in the league, what he did was vastly worse. Vince Wolfork is still in the league and he was a big cheap shot artist, always going for people's knees.

 

[mbuehner]

Eh...Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

 

[mad sweeney]

Eh...

Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.

This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.

He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.

It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

There's that word again! You guys are nuts.

 

[mbuehner]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

fine, but if money wont motivate him, and since its obvious that he has no regard for his team or the game, you have to wonder how he remains in thd league much longer. Because his behavior is entitely unnacceptable. Sooner or later hes going to hurt someone, and if its aaron rodgers who gets jacked up...

You keep saying this but you've yet to prove it. He takes undisciplined penalties, that's not indicative of having no regard for his

if repeatedly taking stupid unnecessary penalties and never admitting responsibility for them isnt evidence if disregard for your team, please enlighten me as to what is?

 

[wormburner]

Suh gets his heel caught on the inside leg of the guy on the ground. Who puts his hands up, but doesn't grab anything.I think he got free and could have moved away without stepping on the Packer at all. But even if I was going to buy it was necessary to catch his balance, Suh intentionally adds extra force to his foot coming down. I.e. a stomp. It looks straight forward. Suh's foot got caught, he figured the guy was holding it, and he lashed out and stomped at the guy.

Pretty much. And we all thought Dennis Rodman was a doosh for kinda sorta doing a similar thing courtside to a reporter. Suspend Suh for two games. One for the stomp, one for the press conference.

 

[mbuehner]

Eh...

Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.

This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.

He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.

It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

There's that word again! You guys are nuts.

im sorry- he lovingly bounced the back of his head repeatedly off the turf. Is that better?

 

[Hoss Style]

Eh...Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

Well, it's my opinion that there wasn't intent to injure. I can't prove it. Neither can you. I see Suh get shoved (as he's moving away, mind you) and he gives a "get the eff off of me" kick back at the guy on the ground.As for the part where you say "smash someone's head" ... really? Look at it again. Both the linemen on the ground are being stubborn. They both could have just relaxed their arms and let the other guy go. Neither did. When Suh was pushing on the guy's head the other guy's arm was still around Suh as well. They were both 50/50 in that part. Watch it again.Suh's guilty for the kick. But I'm not going to call him "dirty" because he gave a shot to the guy's arm as he was moving away after being shoved. Dirty to me is if he had turned around and put some weight in it with obvious intent to injure.I don't think he was trying to hurt the guy. It was no worse than when guy's grab each other's facemasks and twist each other's helmets off which cranks a guy's neck back the wrong way. That's an unsportsmanlike penalty. A weak kick is slightly worse than that. He got tossed for it. A fine's in order, too, I think.Just my opinion.

 

[Hoss Style]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

fine, but if money wont motivate him, and since its obvious that he has no regard for his team or the game, you have to wonder how he remains in thd league much longer. Because his behavior is entitely unnacceptable. Sooner or later hes going to hurt someone, and if its aaron rodgers who gets jacked up...

You keep saying this but you've yet to prove it. He takes undisciplined penalties, that's not indicative of having no regard for his

if repeatedly taking stupid unnecessary penalties and never admitting responsibility for them isnt evidence if disregard for your team, please enlighten me as to what is?

Not to nitpick here, but he has admitted responsibility for some of them. There's one specifically that he admitted was a penalty and a bad play. Most he disagreed with (as do I) but to say he never takes responsibility is a tad off.

 

[ap28.allday]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

People actually think that this and worse does not go on in every single NFL game? Good thing that the camera does not see what takes place under the pile. We would be calling for the suspension of every player in the NFL.

Your right, things like this go on at the bottom of the pile all the time. The point is though, he got caught. You, I, and everyone else drives faster then the speed limit all the time, but only those that get caught get tickets. He is a repeat offender and without a doubt at least deserves a 1 game suspension and a hefty fine.

 

[money.never.sleeps]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Harsh much?!? I have a problem with what happened today but I'd take him on my team anyday.

Right on MNS, me too but I did lose some respect for him today just the same. I don't think he is going to learn his lesson until Roger throws the hammer down and I expect that to happen soon. All commentators have said he is a candidate for a multiple game suspension. I know Roger doesn't listen to the commentators for how he will rule however that is representative of public backlash and will work its way back to his desk so I imagine he will come down hard on Suh this time. How many guys has Goodell really had to suspend this season?

Well, I had an issue with Suh talking about the whole Falcons Karma schtick. Just not necessary and made him look childish IMO. I also didnt agree with this idea that he's changing the culture of the Lions with actions like that in a positive way. Winning changes the culture... not acting like a fool.

 

[Das Boot]

He's an #######. In perfect world, he'll suffer a career ending injury in his next game....whenever it is.

Really?Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

To read this thread, you'd swear he killed someone today.

People don't like dirty players

Explain the Oakland Raiders of the 1970s. I'll take your answer off the air.

People don't like dirty players (except for the Oakland Raiders of the 1970s)

 

[netnalp]

Based on what I saw, and the precedent set with Haynesworth, Suh should get a 5 game suspension. People will argue a head stomp isn't as bad as a head stomp. I think the bigger concern is the NFL will want to come down heavy on intentionally stomping on a player. What part of the body targeted will be irrelevant.

Some lucky charity is going to get a huge donation. I expect the fine to be in the 50-75k range.

 

[smackdaddies]

You don't stomp on a guy s you are moving away. He was avoiding the guy trying to grab his foot. If Suh was smart he would have let the guy trip him up and have the penalty go the other way. Suh moved in a way that said 'leave my foot alone', not 'I am going to hurt you.' There is a huge difference.

pass the bowl, dude.

 

[mad sweeney]

Based on what I saw, and the precedent set with Haynesworth, Suh should get a 5 game suspension. People will argue a head stomp isn't as bad as a head stomp. I think the bigger concern is the NFL will want to come down heavy on intentionally stomping on a player. What part of the body targeted will be irrelevant.Some lucky charity is going to get a huge donation. I expect the fine to be in the 50-75k range.

Haynesworh walked back to the pile, kicked the dude's helmet off and scraped his cleats across the guy's face. Suh tried stomping a guy as he was disentangling from crowd. Absurd comparison. The guy a few weeks ago who positioned himself after a play to deliberately and blatantly kick a guy in the nuts got nothing. Far closer comparison than AH.

 

[mad sweeney]

Eh...

Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.

This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.

He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.

It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

There's that word again! You guys are nuts.

im sorry- he lovingly bounced the back of his head repeatedly off the turf. Is that better?

No, I don't care for the hyperbole or overreaction on either side. It is closer though than smash. I'd say he was pushing the guy's head down. Not a big deal, happens all the time.

 

[Fightin Donkey]

Suh press conference

 

[Underachievers]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

People actually think that this and worse does not go on in every single NFL game? Good thing that the camera does not see what takes place under the pile. We would be calling for the suspension of every player in the NFL.

Your right, things like this go on at the bottom of the pile all the time. The point is though, he got caught. You, I, and everyone else drives faster then the speed limit all the time, but only those that get caught get tickets. He is a repeat offender and without a doubt at least deserves a 1 game suspension and a hefty fine.

I could not care less if he is suspended. But you have to see the humor/irony in anyone being shocked and upset about this. How can any NFL fan even blink an eye when something like this happens? But some fans (Packers fans especially) will be throwing a hissy fit and calling for fines and suspensions for something that is most likely not even the most violent action that occurred on the field today (or in any NFL game).

 

[mad sweeney]

The punishment is also the fact that your team's loss turned on the play that you ruiuned with a ####### penalty.

If they won, would the penalty be worse? Is that how it works?

No, that's not what I was saying. He's one of their premiere players, but he's a player on a team. When he gets kicked out, it's not just him losing the "joy of playing". It's also him hurting his brothers in arms by not being there for them for the rest of the game, whichever game it is. It so happened today that his penalty was at a major turning point in the game.

Right, im sure suh is losing sleep over letting his teammates down as opposed to losing a few hundred k in a gamecheck. He just seems like such s class act like that. Missing gametime doesnt cost him money, guys get penalized wether they get tossed or not. Its the gamecheck that gets their attention.

I'm sure he is. He was the #2 pick. With his signing bonus and his endorsements, I doubt a game's paycheck is going to even be noticed. I've never seen anything from him that makes me think he's a me-first primadonna who's more interested in his own success over the team's.

So what part of his neverending string of stupid personal fouls showcases his commitment to his team?

You're the one making the assumption that he doesn't care about anything but money. You prove it. He makes stupid penalties, but they're not primadonna look at me penalties. He has a problem knowing when to rein it in, not self aggrandizing selfish penalties.

fine, but if money wont motivate him, and since its obvious that he has no regard for his team or the game, you have to wonder how he remains in thd league much longer. Because his behavior is entitely unnacceptable. Sooner or later hes going to hurt someone, and if its aaron rodgers who gets jacked up...

You keep saying this but you've yet to prove it. He takes undisciplined penalties, that's not indicative of having no regard for his

if repeatedly taking stupid unnecessary penalties and never admitting responsibility for them isnt evidence if disregard for your team, please enlighten me as to what is?

Most of his penalties are spur of the moment, in the heat of battle penalties. I don't agree with all of them. Why should he accept responsibility for borderline calls? That doesn't show any disregard for the team, just a player who plays close to the edge. Quite frankly, I'm not sure you can be enlightened with your hyperbolic reactions.

 

[Mile High]

His "I'm a badass/thug" act is starting to get old already.

 

[mbuehner]

Eh...

Suh was on the ground basically wrestling with the Green Bay player - both of them not wanting to move their arm and let the other guy up first. Suh bounces up, another GB player comes in and shoves him in the back and Suh gives a going away kick as he's falling away.

This just doesn't look that bad to me. He looks like he was irritated that he got shoved after having a scuffle on the ground and gave a cheap shot on the way out. If he had wanted to stomp the guy with intent to injure he'd have turned around and put his weight into it a few seconds later.

He gave a frustration "kick" to the guy on the ground, knowing it might hit him but also knowing he wasn't going to get too much pop behind it. Suh's got some anger issues on the field but it's not the big deal some of you are making it out to be. He should get a punishment. It shouldn't be too harsh. Heck, most of his "reputation" came from the oversensitive nature of the calls involving QBs, anyway.

It was a cheap shot. A minor one, though. Not nearly as bad as looking at someone's crotch, pivoting a smidge to have a better angle at the crotch and then letting loose a kick as hard as you can at the crotch. Not nearly as bad as taking off a guys helmet, standing over him while looking down and then raking your cleats across the guys face near the eye (30 stitches worth of cuts, I believe).

point of order- he got pushed because he was bouncing a guys head off the turf repeatedly. The extent to which the guy he was on top of was fighting back is fairly irrelevant. Suh was trying to hurt someone, thats why you smash someones head against the ground or stomp on them. Intent to injure is the key- the guy underneath him and the guy pushing him off werent trying to injure him. The fact that Suh failed to hurt someone despite his best efforts isnt really mitigating. Is the league supposed to wait until he succeeds before they act?

There's that word again! You guys are nuts.

im sorry- he lovingly bounced the back of his head repeatedly off the turf. Is that better?

No, I don't care for the hyperbole or overreaction on either side. It is closer though than smash. I'd say he was pushing the guy's head down. Not a big deal, happens all the time.

Apparently the rest of the country instantly disagreed. Why is everyone mysteriously seeing Suh do things hes not doing or that happen all the time? Conspiracy?