How many games will Suh be suspended? (1 Viewer)

[proninja]

It wasn't 'completely disassociated with the game'. It was immediately after a play and coming out of being engaged with a guy. Yes it was 'after the whistle' and that's why it was flagged and he was ejected, but don't act like he was on the sidelines and came out and stomped a guy on the ground for no reason.

"physical danger" this is football not parchesi. what a bunch of pantywaists collectively in this thread (and really in america these days).

It's not at all like the 'cheap shots' of all time (hockey players checking celebrating players after the whistle/into the boards etc). In fact the blow that he delivered occurs relatively frequently when players fall on the ground and get stepped on by others. Note: I am not saying it's not a big deal at all or that the shouldn't have been tossed. He deserved what he got. But the collective waaaah here is deafening. Players are put more in physical danger going over the middle and getting lit up by a LB than what happened here. You guys are o overflowing this.

You realize that posting doesn't make you any more right, don't you?1. I act like the play was over. Time to disengage.

2. I have no problem with players putting themselves in physical danger by playing football. I have a problem with players breaking the rules putting another player who isn't expecting it and isn't ready to defend himself in danger. A big problem.

3. If you'd like to call me a "pantywaist" you can meet me at the 7-11 in bakersfield

4. I'm not "overflowing" this. From what you said at the end it seems like we mostly agree. Glad he got tossed. I'd like to see him suspended for a game or two to send a good, clear message that this isn't acceptable behavior. I've got no issue with Suh, and hope he doesn't do crap like this so people can appreciate the off the field things he does, which are awesome. It seems like you're taking my statements at more than face value, then replying to what you thought I said. Google "straw man." I don't think we're that far off in terms of what we think here.

Where were you when this happened? LINKI know I keep bringing it up, but that was only a few weeks ago and no one seemed to care. Brown got a small fine and life went on. Now people are in an uproar and talking about how a message needs to be sent, it was almost the exact same situation except a punch instead of a stomp. I think some people need to ease up on the Suh hate, or at least be reasonable in admitting why they are reacting so strongly to this one incident when they happily ignored another.

Never saw it. My thoughts are the same regardless of who did it. I'm sure there's other bad things players have done this year I also haven't seen, but the fact that I don't watch every game shouldn't invalidate my opinion, should it?

If I was so strongly in support of stern action from the League for Suh in this case, I would be disturbed that other cases happened where there was not strong punishment. Brown was not ejected from the game, there wasn't even a flag, so the total price for that punch for Brown and the Texans was $7,500. Suh was ejected so the discipline against Suh has already been elevated in this case, I am sure that at the least he will received an increased fine so that is also an escalation. Is that is not enough? If you still think it is not enough I look forward to seeing you start a thread demanding more discipline for Brown now that you are aware of the incident. So to answer your question; No, the fact that you do not watch every game should not invalidate your opinion. But if you become aware that you missed some things and continue to ignore them then it does diminish the validity of your opinion. You cannot reasonably call for heavy punishment against Suh and then just claim you missed the Brown incident, oh well.

You must have missed the part where I said "My thoughts are the same regardless of who did it. "Also, your tone seems to intimate that I'm jumping all around waiving my hands thinking that Suh is some monster who needs to be caged up. Frankly, I don't really give a rat's ### if he gets suspended or not. I definitely think he should, as I don't think that kind of behavior should be tolerated, but if he doesn't, I'll be completely fine. I promise.

You stating that I need to start a thread to avoid being hypocritical is hilarious. I didn't start this thread, did I? Also, I'm not ignoring the other situation. I addressed it. I said that I felt the exact same way about it. Should I go quote all my posts in here and change the name or what?

Out of curiousity, how old are you?

 

[Fightin Donkey]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

Football's a violent game and people lose their cool. He didn't blow up a defenseless player subjecting him to a career ending blow. He stomped a guy and got ejected for it. People who throw punches get ejected, but that's it. Same should hold true here. I do think they'll fine him more b/c of thanksgiving.exposure etc.

So you're fine with players stomping on each other after every play? Or should they limit each player to say, 2 stomps per half? Nah, its a violent game. Unlimited stomps for everyone!

Of course not. Hitting the hard stuff early are we? If anyone does this they should get ejected, as happened with suh. That and probably a stiff fine as it goes to charity anyway. And much the same way hat many players get thrown out of games for throwing punches/kicks etc as has happened many times this year in other situations.

And what if the player has done a bunch of stupid #### before?

This is the thing that all of the guys here standing up for him here, are conveniently leaving out.The guy is damn good, but he's a monster and unstable.

 

[Da Guru]

This thread should be locked. How sad that a bunch of you guys are making personal attacks against other board members. If he's fined and suspended great, if he's fined and not suspended great. The fact is it looked bad on national television on on a major holiday and now it's a media circus. The NFL is all about protecting the brand, and I would imagine Goodell will do something in terms of a suspension. Not because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it makes it look like the NFL took serious action to protect the brand reputation. It's all business.

The funny thing is that is did not look bad,it was wrong but did not look bad, it did not even connect with any force.people were not truly appalled.If you have watched this violent game for and length of time this was very low on the violnece scale..everybody watching said OMG did you see that. Then is was huge fodder. Not like it ruined someones turkey dinner or anything. 9 pages here over a missed kick. People love stuff like this..the drama and energy.There would not have been 9 pages if the Lions Calvin Johnson caught a last second hail mary to beat the Packers.

 

[proninja]

This thread should be locked. How sad that a bunch of you guys are making personal attacks against other board members. If he's fined and suspended great, if he's fined and not suspended great. The fact is it looked bad on national television on on a major holiday and now it's a media circus. The NFL is all about protecting the brand, and I would imagine Goodell will do something in terms of a suspension. Not because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it makes it look like the NFL took serious action to protect the brand reputation. It's all business.

The funny thing is that is did not look bad,it was wrong but did not look bad, it did not even connect with any force.people were not truly appalled.If you have watched this violent game for and legnth of time this was very low on the violnece scalw..everybody watching said OMG did you see that. Then is was huge fodder. Not like it ruined someones turkey dinner or anything. 9 pages here over a missed kick. People love stuff like this..the drama and energy.There would not have been 9 pages if the Lions Calvin Johnson caught a last second hail mary to beat the Packers.

There wouldn't be 9 pages if a very small and vocal minority wasn't vigorously defending Suh.

 

[Underachievers]

This thread should be locked. How sad that a bunch of you guys are making personal attacks against other board members. If he's fined and suspended great, if he's fined and not suspended great. The fact is it looked bad on national television on on a major holiday and now it's a media circus. The NFL is all about protecting the brand, and I would imagine Goodell will do something in terms of a suspension. Not because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it makes it look like the NFL took serious action to protect the brand reputation. It's all business.

The funny thing is that is did not look bad,it was wrong but did not look bad, it did not even connect with any force.people were not truly appalled.If you have watched this violent game for and legnth of time this was very low on the violnece scalw..everybody watching said OMG did you see that. Then is was huge fodder. Not like it ruined someones turkey dinner or anything. 9 pages here over a missed kick. People love stuff like this..the drama and energy.There would not have been 9 pages if the Lions Calvin Johnson caught a last second hail mary to beat the Packers.

This has been soooooooo overblown. What the heck do you expect to see at a game as VIOLENT as football? Geez...if you want tea and crumpets, stick to tennis. Was he an ### for doing it? Certainly! But if you are shocked buy it, you would be simply appalled by what you do not see on camera. Meanwhile, the player from Green Bay kicks the crap out of his wife and it is not worth a thread? Tsk tsk tsk.....

 

[barista]

This thread should be locked. How sad that a bunch of you guys are making personal attacks against other board members. If he's fined and suspended great, if he's fined and not suspended great. The fact is it looked bad on national television on on a major holiday and now it's a media circus. The NFL is all about protecting the brand, and I would imagine Goodell will do something in terms of a suspension. Not because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it makes it look like the NFL took serious action to protect the brand reputation. It's all business.

The funny thing is that is did not look bad,it was wrong but did not look bad, it did not even connect with any force.people were not truly appalled.If you have watched this violent game for and legnth of time this was very low on the violnece scalw..everybody watching said OMG did you see that. Then is was huge fodder. Not like it ruined someones turkey dinner or anything. 9 pages here over a missed kick. People love stuff like this..the drama and energy.There would not have been 9 pages if the Lions Calvin Johnson caught a last second hail mary to beat the Packers.

This has been soooooooo overblown. What the heck do you expect to see at a game as VIOLENT as football? Geez...if you want tea and crumpets, stick to tennis. Was he an ### for doing it? Certainly! But if you are shocked buy it, you would be simply appalled by what you do not see on camera. Meanwhile, the player from Green Bay kicks the crap out of his wife and it is not worth a thread? Tsk tsk tsk.....

Not to mention they find a weapon with one of their rookies...http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/football/other_nfl/view/20111125packers_find_yet_another_offensive_weapon_in_rookie_brandon_saine/

 

[Da Guru]

This thread should be locked. How sad that a bunch of you guys are making personal attacks against other board members. If he's fined and suspended great, if he's fined and not suspended great. The fact is it looked bad on national television on on a major holiday and now it's a media circus. The NFL is all about protecting the brand, and I would imagine Goodell will do something in terms of a suspension. Not because it's the right thing to do, but rather because it makes it look like the NFL took serious action to protect the brand reputation. It's all business.

The funny thing is that is did not look bad, it was wrong but did not look bad, it did not even connect with any force. People were not truly appalled. If you have watched this violent game for and length of time this was very low on the violence scale..everybody watching said OMG did you see that. Then is was huge fodder. Not like it ruined someones turkey dinner or anything. 9 pages here over a missed kick. People love stuff like this..the drama and energy.There would not have been 9 pages if the Lions Calvin Johnson caught a last second hail mary to beat the Packers.

This has been soooooooo overblown. What the heck do you expect to see at a game as VIOLENT as football? Geez...if you want tea and crumpets, stick to tennis. Was he an ### for doing it? Certainly! But if you are shocked buy it, you would be simply appalled by what you do not see on camera. Meanwhile, the player from Green Bay kicks the crap out of his wife and it is not worth a thread? Tsk tsk tsk.....

I don`t get..I could care less if Ware tried to stomp a Miami player in anger.

 

[Osaurus]

 

[Wadsworth]

It wasn't 'completely disassociated with the game'. It was immediately after a play and coming out of being engaged with a guy. Yes it was 'after the whistle' and that's why it was flagged and he was ejected, but don't act like he was on the sidelines and came out and stomped a guy on the ground for no reason.

"physical danger" this is football not parchesi. what a bunch of pantywaists collectively in this thread (and really in america these days).

It's not at all like the 'cheap shots' of all time (hockey players checking celebrating players after the whistle/into the boards etc). In fact the blow that he delivered occurs relatively frequently when players fall on the ground and get stepped on by others. Note: I am not saying it's not a big deal at all or that the shouldn't have been tossed. He deserved what he got. But the collective waaaah here is deafening. Players are put more in physical danger going over the middle and getting lit up by a LB than what happened here. You guys are o overflowing this.

You realize that posting doesn't make you any more right, don't you?1. I act like the play was over. Time to disengage.

2. I have no problem with players putting themselves in physical danger by playing football. I have a problem with players breaking the rules putting another player who isn't expecting it and isn't ready to defend himself in danger. A big problem.

3. If you'd like to call me a "pantywaist" you can meet me at the 7-11 in bakersfield

4. I'm not "overflowing" this. From what you said at the end it seems like we mostly agree. Glad he got tossed. I'd like to see him suspended for a game or two to send a good, clear message that this isn't acceptable behavior. I've got no issue with Suh, and hope he doesn't do crap like this so people can appreciate the off the field things he does, which are awesome. It seems like you're taking my statements at more than face value, then replying to what you thought I said. Google "straw man." I don't think we're that far off in terms of what we think here.

Where were you when this happened? LINKI know I keep bringing it up, but that was only a few weeks ago and no one seemed to care. Brown got a small fine and life went on. Now people are in an uproar and talking about how a message needs to be sent, it was almost the exact same situation except a punch instead of a stomp. I think some people need to ease up on the Suh hate, or at least be reasonable in admitting why they are reacting so strongly to this one incident when they happily ignored another.

Never saw it. My thoughts are the same regardless of who did it. I'm sure there's other bad things players have done this year I also haven't seen, but the fact that I don't watch every game shouldn't invalidate my opinion, should it?

If I was so strongly in support of stern action from the League for Suh in this case, I would be disturbed that other cases happened where there was not strong punishment. Brown was not ejected from the game, there wasn't even a flag, so the total price for that punch for Brown and the Texans was $7,500. Suh was ejected so the discipline against Suh has already been elevated in this case, I am sure that at the least he will received an increased fine so that is also an escalation. Is that is not enough? If you still think it is not enough I look forward to seeing you start a thread demanding more discipline for Brown now that you are aware of the incident. So to answer your question; No, the fact that you do not watch every game should not invalidate your opinion. But if you become aware that you missed some things and continue to ignore them then it does diminish the validity of your opinion. You cannot reasonably call for heavy punishment against Suh and then just claim you missed the Brown incident, oh well.

You must have missed the part where I said "My thoughts are the same regardless of who did it. "Also, your tone seems to intimate that I'm jumping all around waiving my hands thinking that Suh is some monster who needs to be caged up. Frankly, I don't really give a rat's ### if he gets suspended or not. I definitely think he should, as I don't think that kind of behavior should be tolerated, but if he doesn't, I'll be completely fine. I promise.

You stating that I need to start a thread to avoid being hypocritical is hilarious. I didn't start this thread, did I? Also, I'm not ignoring the other situation. I addressed it. I said that I felt the exact same way about it. Should I go quote all my posts in here and change the name or what?

Out of curiousity, how old are you?

You question my age? That's it, 7-11 in Bakersfield at midnight!

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Tell me what did Evan do? Evan got up and calmly walked away as if nothing happened. Never touched or examined his arm at all. Evan acted as if he was not even touched.

You seriously did not watch the same thing as everyone else.

Good job avoiding the question!

Nah...just not going to continue to argue with someone who obviously did not see the same thing as 99% of the known world.

Because he did not react. Thanks for playing.

JonMX is right. I think I said it earlier in the thread, I had a player once step on my hand with cleats on. Guy broke my hand, and I had a protective glove on already. Doctor said without the glove, my finger would have been shattered. You think someone with Suh's power, intentionally stomping on someone wouldn't cause damage? If Suh actually stomped on him, the guy would be seriously bruised, most likely bleeding, and a good chance of a broken bone.

Could you play softball? Would the hand impact your ability to dance at your wedding?Good thing that guys like you don't play in the NFL. B/c you are a frail little man and they are gladiators who battle each other.

This is too much.

Absolutely hilarious. I actually finished that game and only found out it was fractured 3 days later. When is the last time you actually played a sport? Let me stomp on you with cleats on the way you perceived Suh did and let's see if you don't walk away crying.

You could easily swap me and you in my previous comment. Because like you, I am not an 350 lbs musclebound freak of nature like the guys in question in the original incident. That was my point, not to specifically isolate you.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Only a defense attorney would actually think it's a rational argument to try to say that Suh's previous actions shouldn't have any bearing on his punishment. This isn't a court of law where someone can get off on a technicality. There's wide discretion in dealing with these issues and the actual policy doesn't force the league to follow the guidelines if they think the action warrants a larger punishment. And they will absolutely include his previous dirty play in determining his penalty.My guess is a 1 game suspension. Although I think he deserves 2. Not just because he continues to play dirty, but because he had the gall to try to act like what he did yesterday wasn't dirty and he was just an innocent victim in it all.

This is patently false. Your perspective would be true if you did something wrong at work (I am assuming here that you like most Americans are 'at-will employees' ) and don't possess collectively bargained rights/procedures that define your at work punishments/suspensions/firings etc. Completely different facts here, The NFL has a rulebook (aka code of laws) and appeals process. When punishing a player under the CBA for on the field infractions, it most certainly is a process that closely resembles a court of law. He is being punished for an infraction of the rules, and there is a specific rule (which I have posted in toto twice in this thread though no one seems to read it) that addresses what authority the league has to dole out penalties/fines/suspensions. This is part of the contract signed by the players under the collective bargaining agreement. That everyone else seems to think that Goddell has unlimited authority to dole out whatever penalty he (or they) feel he deserves is patently false. There are precedents to look at and a rule book to follow. It's part of the contractual rights that all players are guaranteed in the CBA. and fwiw (though I am guessing it's been addressed already) Suh came out with a more formal apology where he was contrite and didn't minimize his behavior.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

To all those overreacting to the heat of the moment. We'll do a little game.

What is the most timley/similar infraction to what Suh did how did the NFL respond there?

Last week (maybe 2 weeks ago) that dude looking straight at a dude o the ground who was not 'antagonizing him' (and not even behind him as was Suhs) and stomped a guy in the nuts. He was suspended how many games? Zero.

Though because of the media/it being on thanksgiving the league might feel compelled to toss Suh for a game, but if this was on a Sunday buried in 10 other games it wouldn't be nearly the big deal it is b/c it happens on TNF and sportscenter/NFL network have to fill content.

Just for ####s and giggles, sho nuff. Why don't you answer to this on point and not with a red herring or personal attack.

Its been answered.Robison was immediately apologetic. I guess now that Suh has apologized this point is moot. Unless there is some rule that an apology must occur immediately, which there isn't.

It was not on the huge national TV showcase of a Thanksgiving game. Funny, I was unaware there were different rules for 'showcae games'. Oh that's right, there aren't.

Robison was not a guy seen as dirty by many around including the league with multiple unsportsmanlike/roughing type penalties. Once again irrelevant to the punishment process as delineated under the CBA.

You talking personal attack (when I have not done so...and you have) is laughable. I never said I didn't make any personal attacks, those are pretty standard among rivals. I was just asking you to specifically address this point without just mocking me.

BTW, I would not have thought it was out of line Robison had been suspended). Me either truth be told. But that was how the league handled it, and as such they now have established a precedent for future acts. I often disagree ith precedents set by judges/arbitrators. Doesn't mean the precedent hasn't been established.

 

[zandbak]

This thread is the male version of The View.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

Football's a violent game and people lose their cool. He didn't blow up a defenseless player subjecting him to a career ending blow. He stomped a guy and got ejected for it. People who throw punches get ejected, but that's it. Same should hold true here. I do think they'll fine him more b/c of thanksgiving.exposure etc.

So you're fine with players stomping on each other after every play? Or should they limit each player to say, 2 stomps per half? Nah, its a violent game. Unlimited stomps for everyone!

Of course not. Hitting the hard stuff early are we? If anyone does this they should get ejected, as happened with suh. That and probably a stiff fine as it goes to charity anyway. And much the same way hat many players get thrown out of games for throwing punches/kicks etc as has happened many times this year in other situations.

And what if the player has done a bunch of stupid #### before?

Then I escalate the fines as per the CBA. It's not like he's had multiple incidents involving these kind of things. The other fines he got were for roughness/late hits (and absent the new NFL focus on concussions etc those wouldn't have even been fined 2-3 years ago)This is his first dead ball, well after the whistle type incident.This isn't CA where it's three strikes and you get life.

So give him another slap on the wrist and hope he plays like a good boy next time? Great idea.

That's contractually agreed upon process. If they wanted to add more discretion for the league to punish 'repeat offenders' then they should negotiate that into the next CBA. But the league is legally bound to stay within the collectively bargained contractual terms of the CBA.Much the same way a judge can't just exceed the statutory authority granted to him by the legislature, the league can't just change the rules because this game was on TV/thanksgiving.

 

[Bankerguy]

His post game comments convinced me that he is a doosh.

Suh does a weekly radio interview, he is the farthest thing from a doosh. In fact he comes off as one of the brightest NFL players I have ever heard.

Well the whole "Me and the Man Upstairs relly know what happened" was garbage. "I was falling backwards and I tried to get my balance". MMMMMMMkay.He doesn't deserve a multi game suspension, but he needs to be put on notice. 1 or 2 games works for me.

 

[CapnJB]

Umm... you're not really beating a dead horse unless there is brutal force applied.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

As for the other stuff in this thread...man, we're all one human family. Count me out of whatever kind of homophobic bullying you've got going on.

 

[Apple Jack]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

As for the other stuff in this thread...man, we're all one human family. Count me out of whatever kind of homophobic bullying you've got going on.

Or he's still a bit of a kid and still hasn't learned how to manage his emotions and be honest with himself and others.

 

[candymanvandyfan]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

As for the other stuff in this thread...man, we're all one human family. Count me out of whatever kind of homophobic bullying you've got going on.

Or he's still a bit of a kid and still hasn't learned how to manage his emotions and be honest with himself and others.

That's possible, though he's almost 25 and usually those things take root before then.

 

[Donnybrook]

I still think Nick Fairley is dirtier than Suh. He uses his helmet like a weapon :

 

[Wadsworth]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

We have seen many players dispute their responsibility when video seems to tell another story. "It’s outrageous man," Brown said. "Like I said I was coming in to help with the tackle after the fumble recovery. I was getting up, pushing off on my own leg to get up. One of his teammates came gave me a little shove. To catch my balance from falling back on him, I put my hand down and then as soon as I got my hand up, I hopped up. He even got up. He said nothing to me cause there was nothing done. People are trying to make a story out of it for whatever reason."

For this: VIDEO

I am sure there are plenty of other examples, I keep bringing up Brown because it is the one I am most familiar with and closely parallels the Suh situation. This type of behavior it not acceptable, but I think people are going overboard when making message board psychiatric evaluations and acting like what Suh did was outrageously rare in the NFL. That type of stuff happens on a regular basis it is just rarely in such a high profile game with such a high profile players.

 

[jon_mx]

Umm... you're not really beating a dead horse unless there is brutal force applied.

Exactly. I think we are just heavily petting the horse.

 

[SofaKings]

Umm... you're not really beating a dead horse unless there is brutal force applied.

But he SMASHED the horses head into the rubber pellet turf!

 

[Dizzy]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

As for the other stuff in this thread...man, we're all one human family. Count me out of whatever kind of homophobic bullying you've got going on.

Or he's still a bit of a kid and still hasn't learned how to manage his emotions and be honest with himself and others.

That might be it. Like Johnny Cash would have said, "A Boy Named Suh."

 

[proninja]

Guy gave $2.6 million to the University of Nebraska and is very active in numerous charities. He plays with an edge and he's immature on the field but he's a terrific young man.

Probably just a loan repayment from his playing days

 

[Osaurus]

Umm... you're not really beating a dead horse unless there is brutal force applied.

But he SMASHED the horses head into the rubber pellet turf!

This can go so many ways so have fun with it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

I just think he is either the least talented liar ever or has a mental problem.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=9NNDEP7Cyd0

I honestly think he may be delusional. He might believe that stuff he's saying in the video.

As for the other stuff in this thread...man, we're all one human family. Count me out of whatever kind of homophobic bullying you've got going on.

Or he's still a bit of a kid and still hasn't learned how to manage his emotions and be honest with himself and others.

That's possible, though he's almost 25 and usually those things take root before then.

Psychologists have found that it's usually around the age of 27 that brains are fully developed with long term consequence appreciation etc.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Umm... you're not really beating a dead horse unless there is brutal force applied.

But he SMASHED the horses head into the rubber pellet turf!

you don't know that horses head from it's ###...

 

[sho nuff]

To all those overreacting to the heat of the moment. We'll do a little game.

What is the most timley/similar infraction to what Suh did how did the NFL respond there?

Last week (maybe 2 weeks ago) that dude looking straight at a dude o the ground who was not 'antagonizing him' (and not even behind him as was Suhs) and stomped a guy in the nuts. He was suspended how many games? Zero.

Though because of the media/it being on thanksgiving the league might feel compelled to toss Suh for a game, but if this was on a Sunday buried in 10 other games it wouldn't be nearly the big deal it is b/c it happens on TNF and sportscenter/NFL network have to fill content.

Just for ####s and giggles, sho nuff. Why don't you answer to this on point and not with a red herring or personal attack.

Its been answered.Robison was immediately apologetic. I guess now that Suh has apologized this point is moot. Unless there is some rule that an apology must occur immediately, which there isn't.

It was not on the huge national TV showcase of a Thanksgiving game. Funny, I was unaware there were different rules for 'showcae games'. Oh that's right, there aren't.

Robison was not a guy seen as dirty by many around including the league with multiple unsportsmanlike/roughing type penalties. Once again irrelevant to the punishment process as delineated under the CBA.

You talking personal attack (when I have not done so...and you have) is laughable. I never said I didn't make any personal attacks, those are pretty standard among rivals. I was just asking you to specifically address this point without just mocking me.

BTW, I would not have thought it was out of line Robison had been suspended). Me either truth be told. But that was how the league handled it, and as such they now have established a precedent for future acts. I often disagree ith precedents set by judges/arbitrators. Doesn't mean the precedent hasn't been established.

Suh apologized to his teammates, team, and fans for letting them down. Not for the actual act did he?If you don't think Goodell will act while taking the things mentioned into consideration because you think you found the rule, you are very naive.

Robison's issue did not set any precedent for this act...and its not a court of law...its the court of Goodell.

We get it...you are a Lions fan.

 

[Gopher State]

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

 

[Ghost Rider]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

Yep, he just said the same thing on NFL Countdown.

 

[Mello]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

The downward spiral of the NFL continues.

 

[Underachievers]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

The downward spiral of the NFL continues.

Agreed! 2 games is more than a fair suspension, but the NFL is turning into a league where Vince McMahon would be an ideal commissioner.

 

[Burl]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

The downward spiral of the NFL continues.

Yeah...the billions they bring in every year seem to contradict that. Fining a guy a few thousand when he makes millions is not a deterrent. It was time for a suspension.

 

[mad sweeney]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

That's absurd. Suh should've stomped on the guy's nuts, that's apparently not a suspendable act. I think Goodell goes down in history as the worst commissioner of all time in the NFL, assuming it survives his reign.

 

[PewterFan]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

That's absurd. Suh should've stomped on the guy's nuts, that's apparently not a suspendable act. I think Goodell goes down in history as the worst commissioner of all time in the NFL, assuming it survives his reign.

Are you saying that the NFL is in severe financial troubles that could lease to its demise in the near future?

 

[mad sweeney]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

That's absurd. Suh should've stomped on the guy's nuts, that's apparently not a suspendable act. I think Goodell goes down in history as the worst commissioner of all time in the NFL, assuming it survives his reign.

Are you saying that the NFL is in severe financial troubles that could lease to its demise in the near future?

No, that the NFL at the end of his reign will not resemble the NFL as it is now as an American sport. Especially if he achieves his delusional goal of putting a team and SB in London.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

To all those overreacting to the heat of the moment. We'll do a little game.

What is the most timley/similar infraction to what Suh did how did the NFL respond there?

Last week (maybe 2 weeks ago) that dude looking straight at a dude o the ground who was not 'antagonizing him' (and not even behind him as was Suhs) and stomped a guy in the nuts. He was suspended how many games? Zero.

Though because of the media/it being on thanksgiving the league might feel compelled to toss Suh for a game, but if this was on a Sunday buried in 10 other games it wouldn't be nearly the big deal it is b/c it happens on TNF and sportscenter/NFL network have to fill content.

Just for ####s and giggles, sho nuff. Why don't you answer to this on point and not with a red herring or personal attack.

Its been answered.Robison was immediately apologetic. I guess now that Suh has apologized this point is moot. Unless there is some rule that an apology must occur immediately, which there isn't.

It was not on the huge national TV showcase of a Thanksgiving game. Funny, I was unaware there were different rules for 'showcae games'. Oh that's right, there aren't.

Robison was not a guy seen as dirty by many around including the league with multiple unsportsmanlike/roughing type penalties. Once again irrelevant to the punishment process as delineated under the CBA.

You talking personal attack (when I have not done so...and you have) is laughable. I never said I didn't make any personal attacks, those are pretty standard among rivals. I was just asking you to specifically address this point without just mocking me.

BTW, I would not have thought it was out of line Robison had been suspended). Me either truth be told. But that was how the league handled it, and as such they now have established a precedent for future acts. I often disagree ith precedents set by judges/arbitrators. Doesn't mean the precedent hasn't been established.

Suh apologized to his teammates, team, and fans for letting them down. Not for the actual act did he?If you don't think Goodell will act while taking the things mentioned into consideration because you think you found the rule, you are very naive.

Robison's issue did not set any precedent for this act...and its not a court of law...its the court of Goodell.

We get it...you are a Lions fan.

He gave a second apology. Are you reading this thread? Goddell doesn't make the decision. Ray Anderson does. That delineation was in the rule I keep posting that no one cares to read or address, much like you are.

DETROIT (AP) For the first season-and-a-half of his young career,


Ndamukong Suh
could almost brush off talk about his penalties and fines, saying he would keep doing what was needed to help his Detroit Lions.

After hurting the team with a penalty and ejection on Thanksgiving, Suh now says he has learned his lesson.



"My reaction on Thursday was unacceptable," the star defensive tackle said in a statement on his Facebook page Friday night. "I made a mistake, and have learned from it. I hope to direct the focus back to the task at hand - by winning."



The statement appeared on Suh's page around the same time he was publically chastised by the Lions, one night after being ejected Thursday in a loss to Green Bay for stomping at an opposing player.



"The on-field conduct exhibited by Ndamukong Suhthat led to his ejection from yesterday's game was unacceptable and failed to meet the high level of sportsmanship we expect from our players," the team said. "Ndamukong has made many positive contributions to the Lions on and off the field. We expect his behavior going forward to consistently reflect that high standard of professionalism."



It could be several days before Suh finds out the true cost of his third-quarter stomp in Detroit's 27-15 loss to the Packers on Thursday. An NFL spokesman said Friday that plays from Week 12 looked at for potential discipline won't be reviewed until all games are completed.



Detroit coach Jim Schwartz was curt after Thursday's defeat when asked if he was worried about a possible suspension.



"I'm worried about losing this game," Schwartz said.



Suh was dismissed after tangling with Packers offensive lineman Evan Dietrich-Smith. After being pushed off Dietrich-Smith, Suh stepped down hard with his right foot, appearing to make contact with Dietrich-Smith's right arm.



Immediately after the game, Suh defended himself, saying he was trying to keep his balance while freeing himself from the brief scuffle. He publically apologized to teammates, coaches and fans Thursday for "allowing the refs to have an opportunity to take me out of this game," but he insisted he didn't intentionally step on anyone.



"People are going to have their own opinions - that's fine," he said after the game. "The only (people) that I really care about are my teammates, my true fans and my coaches and their opinions, and that's where it lies. And honestly, the most important person in this whole thing that I have to deal with is the man upstairs."



In his Friday statement on Facebook, he said he'd had more time to reflect.



"Playing professional sports is not a game," he said. "It is a profession with great responsibility, and where performance on and off the field should never be compromised. It requires a calm and determined demeanor, which cannot be derailed by the game, referee calls, fans or other players."



In less than two seasons as a pro, Suh has established himself as one of the game's strongest and most athletic defensive linemen, but he's also received his share of fines.



Suh requested and received a meeting earlier this month with Commissioner Roger Goodell to discuss his play. He said that dialogue was helpful, but now the league will have to decide whether more discipline is merited after he was ejected on national television.



New York Jets coach Rex Ryan came up with one tongue-in-cheek solution Friday.



"I'll be honest with you, I think the young man, he should be released ... and come to the Jets," Ryan joked. "I'm just throwing that out there. I don't think he's that good of a player. I don't know about the incident and all that jazz, but we'll take him. We'll sacrifice that way."



Ryan then turned a little more serious.



"I don't even know what to say on it," Ryan said. "You've seen things like that happen on the field before. It's an emotional game."



Jets offensive lineman Matt Slauson, who played with Suh at Nebraska, sounded off on the topic Friday.



"Somebody needs to get him under control, because he's trying to hurt people," Slauson told the New York Post. "It's one thing to be an incredibly physical player and a tenacious player, but it's another thing to set out to end that guy's career."



Slauson said last year that he and Suh used to mix it up in practice while in college.



"There were times we got into fights, during spring ball, during camp, but I kind of fought everyone," Slauson said then.



In 2006, Albert Haynesworth, then with the Tennessee Titans, was suspended five games after swiping his cleats across the head of helmetless Dallas center Andre Gurode. Suh's stomp wasn't toward Dietrich-Smith's head, and the Green Bay player didn't seem too much worse for wear.



When asked afterward where Suh stepped on him, Dietrich-Smith sounded like he didn't want to stir the pot.



"I have no idea," he said. "I have to watch the tape."



If Suh is suspended early next week, he would have a chance to keep playing pending any appeal - but that appeals process can be expedited. Detroit plays at New Orleans on Dec. 4.



The NFL moved that game to prime time, a reflection of the buzz surrounding the improved Lions this season. Led by young stars Suh, Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson, Detroit won its first five games, but the Lions have since lost four of six.



Defensive backs Louis Delmas, Chris Houston and Brandon McDonald went down with injuries against the Packers, and so did running back Kevin Smith. If the Lions are without Suh for an extended period, it could hurt them in the playoff race.



"He plays aggressive. All of us, sometimes, might overreact in certain situations," Detroit defensive linemanCliff Avril said. "We've got to play real smart."



AP Sports Writer Dennis Waszak Jr., in Florham Park, N.J., contributed to this report.



Updated November 25, 2011

 

[SofaKings]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

The downward spiral of the NFL continues.

next year they'll be strapping on flags.

 

[pantherclub]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

That's absurd. Suh should've stomped on the guy's nuts, that's apparently not a suspendable act. I think Goodell goes down in history as the worst commissioner of all time in the NFL, assuming it survives his reign.

Are you saying that the NFL is in severe financial troubles that could lease to its demise in the near future?

No, that the NFL at the end of his reign will not resemble the NFL as it is now as an American sport. Especially if he achieves his delusional goal of putting a team and SB in London.

lollers

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Multi-game suspension for Suh may not happen

Posted by Mike Florio on November 27, 2011, 8:30 AM ESTIn the days since Lions defensive tackleNdamukong Suh pushed the helmet of Packers guard Evan Dietrich-Smith into the ground and then stomped on his arm while walking away, a sense has emerged that Suh should receiving a suspension of two or more games, given his history and the egregious nature of his conduct.

But a multi-game suspension may not happen, given the history of suspensions for on-field conduct meted out by Commissioner Roger Goodell. Apart from the five-game suspension received in 2006 by former Titans defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (who coincidentally returns to Tennessee today in his third game with the Buccaneers), no player has been suspended for more than one game by Goodell, via Gene Washington.

The following year, Goodell (via Washington) suspended former Cowboys safetyRoy Williams one game after his third horse-collar tackle of the season.

The next year, Goodell (via Ray Anderson) suspended Buccaneers defensive backElbert Mack one game for launching himself and making helmet-to-helmet contact with Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan; it was Mack's second flagrant hit in three games. Also in 2008, Jets safety Eric Smith received a one-game suspension and a $50,000 fine for a flagrant helmet-to-helmet hit on then-Cardinals receiver Anquan Boldin.

In 2009, Goodell (again via Ray Anderson) suspended Dante Wesley of the Panthers for launching at Bucs punt returner Clifton Smith while he was waiting to catch the ball. Wesley struck Smith in the head with a shoulder and forearm.

Again, Suh's history of fines will be a factor, and his failure to express genuine remorse won't help him. Balanced against that will be the fact that he already has essentially been suspended for nearly half of one game, since he was ejected early in the third quarter.

So don't be surprised if Suh is suspended for only one game. Though he committed a Haynesworthy stomp, there's a huge difference between stepping on a guy's arm, which Suh did, and ripping off a player's helmet and shredding his bare forehead with a cleat, which Haynesworth did.

But feel free to cast your own ballot below. It was the subject of the FRS poll question when yours truly hosted The Dan Patrick Show on Friday. Here's another chance to sound off on what should happen.

UPDATE 10:35 a.m. ET: When posting this I didn't realize that our good friend Mike Freeman of CBSSports.com has posted similar information. Here's the link to Freeman's take.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Here is the 'take' mentioned in the last post

Don't expect huge Suh punishment

Posted on: November 25, 2011 9:06 pmEdited on: November 26, 2011 2:58 pm

Ndamukong Suh has apologized for his turkey day stupidity. It's a good start. Though he needs to apologize to the man who's body he attacked like it was a wing minus the stuffing.But there is something bigger than his apology. It is this: if you expect a lengthy, hard punishment for Suh, you might be disappointed. I could be wrong but numerous signs point to Suh getting no more than a fine and one-game suspension.

Here's why. Aside from the notorious Albert Haynesworth head stomp, there hasn't been more than a one-game suspension for on-field violations in the Roger Goodell years, and Suh was tossed for the second half of the game, so that should tell you something.

Again: Goodell has not issued lengthy suspensions for on-field infractions. It just has not been his way. That could change with this but it seems unlikely.

During the Goodell administration, there have been the following suspensions for on-field violations:



2006: Haynesworth – five games.



2007: Roy Williams--one game (after third illegal horse collar tackle of season).



2008: Elbert Mack--one game (launched helmet-to-helmet against Matt Ryan on interception; second flagrant hit in three games). And Eric Smith, one game suspension plus a $50,000 fine (flagrant helmet-to-helmet hit on Anquan Boldin).



2009: Dante Wesley--one game (launch and hit Tampa's Clifton Smith in head with shoulder and forearm before he had touched ball).



In 2010, there were no suspensions.

So, see the pattern there? Goodell seems to draw a distinction between off-field bad behavior and on it. Again, he could change course, but it seems like Suh will miss a maximum of one game.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

lol. So the league has said that Ray Anderson isn't even reviewing the tape until all week 12 games are done, and now because of Adam Schefter's sources (when this is a one man decision) it's gonna be two games? Unless his sources include Ray Andersons wife and golfing buddies, Schefter is just speculating like the rest of us.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Hipple>Schefter wouldn't be going on ESPN and reporting this to everyone if the info he had was not good.

 

[Gopher State]

Hipple>Schefter wouldn't be going on ESPN and reporting this to everyone if the info he had was not good.

Agreed, Schefter is as good as they come

 

[Catbird]

People are actually sticking up for this piece of #### thug?

Football's a violent game and people lose their cool. He didn't blow up a defenseless player subjecting him to a career ending blow. He stomped a guy and got ejected for it. People who throw punches get ejected, but that's it. Same should hold true here. I do think they'll fine him more b/c of thanksgiving.exposure etc.

So you're fine with players stomping on each other after every play? Or should they limit each player to say, 2 stomps per half? Nah, its a violent game. Unlimited stomps for everyone!

Of course not. Hitting the hard stuff early are we? If anyone does this they should get ejected, as happened with suh. That and probably a stiff fine as it goes to charity anyway. And much the same way hat many players get thrown out of games for throwing punches/kicks etc as has happened many times this year in other situations.

And what if the player has done a bunch of stupid #### before?

Then I escalate the fines as per the CBA. It's not like he's had multiple incidents involving these kind of things. The other fines he got were for roughness/late hits (and absent the new NFL focus on concussions etc those wouldn't have even been fined 2-3 years ago)This is his first dead ball, well after the whistle type incident.This isn't CA where it's three strikes and you get life.

So give him another slap on the wrist and hope he plays like a good boy next time? Great idea.

That's contractually agreed upon process. If they wanted to add more discretion for the league to punish 'repeat offenders' then they should negotiate that into the next CBA. But the league is legally bound to stay within the collectively bargained contractual terms of the CBA.Much the same way a judge can't just exceed the statutory authority granted to him by the legislature, the league can't just change the rules because this game was on TV/thanksgiving.

Nothing in your oft-quoted rule says anything about what can or can't be considered in doling out a punishment?? It says who doles it out, and if it works like the "court of law" that you refer to so often, the determination of whether an infraction has occuerred is decided on the facts of the alleged infraction by itself, but the appropriate punishment, once an infraction has been determined to exist, takes into account all of the surrounding circumstances about the individual, particularly his past actions and behavior. If two guys commit the same action in, say, starting a bar fight, they will probably get quite different punishments if there is sentencing testimony that one has verbally assaulted and threatened a number of other people at the grocery store or on the street (even without any prior conviction) and the other has been a model citizen. Similarly here, they will take into account Suh's prior behavior in deciding whether or not impose an ything beyond a fine. As to the facts, I thought Suh in uncontrolled anger, started a hard, fierce poorly directed stomp, but by the time it got to the shoulder it was well past its impact point and struck pretty weakly - not as hard a hit as one would get if stepped on during a tackle. I think past incidents of late hits, violent actions after the whistle, do show a similar pattern of inapproppriate behavior to this stomp, although not exactly the same in character. I think punishment will be a game suspension, if anything besides a fine, as much for the media circus surrounding this as for the actual blow and Suh's history.

 

[PatsFanCT]

You guys defending the Suh suspension probably don't have kids, or never had to punish someone. He's not getting suspended because of the crime, he's getting suspended because he refuses to change his ways and simply fining him obviously doesn't work.

If you get caught shoplifting a dozen time, is the punishment the same as the first?

 

[Fightin Donkey]

He's a thug and deserves at least 2 games.

 

[thayman]

reports on twitter saying he's getting a 2 game suspension.

@AdamSchefter Adam SchefterLions DT Ndamukong Suh is expected to be suspended at least two games.

That's absurd. Suh should've stomped on the guy's nuts, that's apparently not a suspendable act. I think Goodell goes down in history as the worst commissioner of all time in the NFL, assuming it survives his reign.

Survive his reign? Goodell has done/doing more to grow the league under his watch. I'm not a fan of some of the rule changes under his tenure but he's doing a very good job one the marketing/growing the business.