How many leagues use 4 points for passing TDs? (1 Viewer)

[ComfortablyNumb]

I recognize most of us are probably in more than one league, so please indicate the format of your primary league or the majority of your leagues.

 

[zadok]

I am in 4 leagues and all of them are 6 for passing TDs.

 

[Lehigh98]

In what countries do they give 4 points for TDs?

Is that a Euro rule or something? :X

 

[Sylira21]

Actually use 5 points...it was moved from 4 a couple years ago in an attempt to juice the QB position a bit, after 75% of the league waited until after the 6th round to draft one.

Now that we do auctions, it's even worse. Probably have to go to 6 to get people to bid more.

 

[freshly_shorn]

I never understood the 4 point thing. A TD is a TD. There are other ways to deemphasize QBs.

 

[switz]

this again, huh?

 

[joffer]

this again, huh?

i convinced one of my leagues to switch to 4 this year just to piss off cobalt

 

[Chaka]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

 

[SKIDMARK]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

But it sure would bring the overall value of QB's up. It would also increase the distance between Manning and the rest a whole bunch. Try and plug that into DD and see what happens, I'd be surprised if there weren't a good many going real early.

 

[CalBear]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

Uh, yes it would affect the value of the QB position. Stick 100-point TDs into DD and see what happens.

 

[SKIDMARK]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

Just did it for my league and yes now there's 5 QB's in the 1st round. 1-Manning, 2-Palmer, 3-Brady, 6-Bulger, 7-Brees.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

3 points for a passing TD here. A little funky.

 

[CalBear]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

Uh, yes it would affect the value of the QB position. Stick 100-point TDs into DD and see what happens.

Since people rarely refute their own assertions, I went and did this. If you put in 100-point TDs, Peyton Manning's VBD jumps to 975 points. The top 6 players, and 8 of the top 10 are all QBs. Conversely, if you set TDs to 1 point, Manning goes from the #9 overall by VBD, to #29.Moving it from 4 to 6 moves Manning from #9 to #3.So, there are real effects of changing from 4 to 6 point TDs.

 

[NinerK]

Dang, 4 pts here, but we have a superflex lineup where you can start 2/2/2 if you like.

For the 6 pt. leagues, does this mean the top 3-4 qb's go in the first 2 rounds?

*ETA* I'm talking in the real draft, do the top 3-4 qb's go in the first 2 rounds?

 

[CalBear]

Dang, 4 pts here, but we have a superflex lineup where you can start 2/2/2 if you like.For the 6 pt. leagues, does this mean the top 3-4 qb's go in the first 2 rounds?

Back when it was Manning and Culpepper, yes. These days, it's still only Manning, usually.

 

[NinerK]

Dang, 4 pts here, but we have a superflex lineup where you can start 2/2/2 if you like.For the 6 pt. leagues, does this mean the top 3-4 qb's go in the first 2 rounds?

Back when it was Manning and Culpepper, yes. These days, it's still only Manning, usually.

Thanks CB, Manning still goes in R1 in our 4 pt. league; we have 2 owners who are all about the QB's. This means Manning R1, Brady and Palmer in R2....and this is in a 4 pt. league. If we went to 6 pt. td's for QB's Bulger would prolly go in R2. **ETA** Longshore with 1 year @ QB= Cal will have its revenge on 09/1/07

 

[posty]

3 points per TD pass...

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

2pt TDs -4 for INT

 

[Zoomanji]

2pt TDs -4 for INT

 

[Johnny Rock]

3 points for a passing TD here.

Two leagues with 3 pts here. Maybe because the Commissioners of those 2 leagues are brothers?

 

[LayinTheSmackDown]

I recognize most of us are probably in more than one league, so please indicate the format of your primary league or the majority of your leagues.

2 Leagues and 6 pts for all TDS

 

[Screwball]

4 Pts, no deductions for INTs or fumbles.

Not sure why its setup this way, never really thought about it.

 

[cobalt_27]

this again, huh?

i convinced one of my leagues to switch to 4 this year just to piss off cobalt

This is the stupidest thing going in FF right now.

 

[Futeki]

The use of 4 point TDs is to reduce the high variability of scoring for the already high scoring position.

If you want a real impact, start 2 QBs.

 

[cobalt_27]

The use of 4 point TDs is to reduce the high variability of scoring for the already high scoring position.

If you want a real impact, start 2 QBs.

This is true. But, high variability is good to at least make the QBs actually worth something. Unbelievably stupid how some of these league rules reduce QBs to a punchline. These leagues run a RB draft--not a football draft.

 

[Futeki]

The use of 4 point TDs is to reduce the high variability of scoring for the already high scoring position.

If you want a real impact, start 2 QBs.

This is true. But, high variability is good to at least make the QBs actually worth something. Unbelievably stupid how some of these league rules reduce QBs to a punchline. These leagues run a RB draft--not a football draft.

I would agree a high variability makes them "worth something" if only the top QBs could put up 3+TD games. However, even mediocre QBs will have those weeks. This doesn't matter too much in leagues that have large starting lineups. However, in a 1/2/2/1/1/1 league with no PPR, some mediocre QB scores 4TDs, it can quickly make the rest of the rosters fairly irrelevant. This sort of thing happens far, far more often than an RB or WR suddenly putting up 3+TDs.

 

[CalBear]

I would agree a high variability makes them "worth something" if only the top QBs could put up 3+TD games. However, even mediocre QBs will have those weeks. This doesn't matter too much in leagues that have large starting lineups. However, in a 1/2/2/1/1/1 league with no PPR, some mediocre QB scores 4TDs, it can quickly make the rest of the rosters fairly irrelevant. This sort of thing happens far, far more often than an RB or WR suddenly putting up 3+TDs.

QB scoring is actually significantly less variable (lower standard deviation) than either RB or WR scoring.

 

[Futeki]

I would agree a high variability makes them "worth something" if only the top QBs could put up 3+TD games. However, even mediocre QBs will have those weeks. This doesn't matter too much in leagues that have large starting lineups. However, in a 1/2/2/1/1/1 league with no PPR, some mediocre QB scores 4TDs, it can quickly make the rest of the rosters fairly irrelevant. This sort of thing happens far, far more often than an RB or WR suddenly putting up 3+TDs.

QB scoring is actually significantly less variable (lower standard deviation) than either RB or WR scoring.

That may be true, but would be misleading. The standard deviation being lower for QBs would be due to the high average scoring mentioned above. 20+/-10 (arbitrary number for QB) is still far more drastic than 8+/-5 (arbitrary number for RB) because both teams start a QB. The raw point deviation from the norm is the real problem. Not the point deviation as it relates to the mean (standard deviation).

 

[patriotsman]

In one of the leagues that I am in, we have 6 pt TD AND 1 pt per 10 yards passing. INTs/Fumbles are -3 We start 1QB, 2RBs, 3WRs, 1TE, K, DL, LB, DB. We have really high points per week, but the positions seem to be even (IDPs added together and minus the K). I have been in the league 4 years now and whoever has Peyton Manning each year has never won the big $$$. Pretty interesting. They reach for Manning in the first round and then don't have quality RBs or WRs. I do take the middle tier QB's a round or two earlier compared to their ADP from mocks that I do and usually pan out.

 

[CalBear]

I would agree a high variability makes them "worth something" if only the top QBs could put up 3+TD games. However, even mediocre QBs will have those weeks. This doesn't matter too much in leagues that have large starting lineups. However, in a 1/2/2/1/1/1 league with no PPR, some mediocre QB scores 4TDs, it can quickly make the rest of the rosters fairly irrelevant. This sort of thing happens far, far more often than an RB or WR suddenly putting up 3+TDs.

QB scoring is actually significantly less variable (lower standard deviation) than either RB or WR scoring.

That may be true, but would be misleading. The standard deviation being lower for QBs would be due to the high average scoring mentioned above. 20+/-10 (arbitrary number for QB) is still far more drastic than 8+/-5 (arbitrary number for RB) because both teams start a QB. The raw point deviation from the norm is the real problem. Not the point deviation as it relates to the mean (standard deviation).

I'm not sure what distinction you're trying to make between "the raw point deviation from the norm" as opposed to "the point deviation as it relates to the mean". QB scoring deviates less from week to week on a total point and a percentage basis than RB and WR scoring.

 

[Kleck.]

In what countries do they give 4 points for TDs? Is that a Euro rule or something?

In my German league we use 4 pt. passing TDs since 6 USD is only worth a little more than 4 Euro...

 

[pack66]

In our league...6pts...plus 1pt/10yards passing...QBs are pretty important and you can get screwed real quick if you don't take one soon enough.

 

[moose162]

The use of 4 point TDs is to reduce the high variability of scoring for the already high scoring position.

If you want a real impact, start 2 QBs.

This is true. But, high variability is good to at least make the QBs actually worth something. Unbelievably stupid how some of these league rules reduce QBs to a punchline. These leagues run a RB draft--not a football draft.

that just about sums it upa touchdown is 6 points

 

[Chaka]

4 points, 6 points, 1 point, I never understood why people care. It doesn't impact the value of QBs relative to other positions so why care? You could score TDs 100 points each and it would not impact the value of the QB position.

Uh, yes it would affect the value of the QB position. Stick 100-point TDs into DD and see what happens.

Since people rarely refute their own assertions, I went and did this. If you put in 100-point TDs, Peyton Manning's VBD jumps to 975 points. The top 6 players, and 8 of the top 10 are all QBs. Conversely, if you set TDs to 1 point, Manning goes from the #9 overall by VBD, to #29.Moving it from 4 to 6 moves Manning from #9 to #3.So, there are real effects of changing from 4 to 6 point TDs.

I understand the VBD impact really I do. And I apologize for making my statement in absolutes.When I ran it myself for 4 pt TDs 3 QBs were taken in the first 50 picks (6 in the first 60) with Manning going earliest @29. With 100 pts/TD 7 of the first 9 picks are QBs then no more QBs rank in the top 50 (or 60). 2 RBs who put up a measly 6 points per TD are still worth the 5th and 6th pick overall vs QBs putting up 94 points more per TD. After pick 9 the draft immediately reverts to a normal stud RB draft. So the first round changes dramatically then the entire VBD board returns to the mean in an instant. And there are still 5 top 12 QBs with a VBD ranking somewhere after pick 60, anyone of them could outproduce all 7 of the QBs ahead of them (except probably Manning and Palmer). This doesn't seem like a significant departure from a standard start 1 QB league to me.If you have to jump from 4 to 100 points to get a five pick net change in VBD rankings then the change from 4 to 6 points per TD shouldn't be expected to shake up anyone's draft board significantly.

 

[CalBear]

If you have to jump from 4 to 100 points to get a five pick net change in VBD rankings then the change from 4 to 6 points per TD shouldn't be expected to shake up anyone's draft board significantly.

You don't think moving Manning to #3 overall from #9 is a significant change? Also, the projections for QBs are wrong; they virtually always overstate the performance of middling to weak QBs. FBG projections have 19 different QBs throwing at least 20 TDs; that's probably double the number that actually will throw 20 TDs. The baseline is too high.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

i am in 5 leagues. all except 1 are 6 points for all td's

 

[Chaka]

If you have to jump from 4 to 100 points to get a five pick net change in VBD rankings then the change from 4 to 6 points per TD shouldn't be expected to shake up anyone's draft board significantly.

You don't think moving Manning to #3 overall from #9 is a significant change? Also, the projections for QBs are wrong; they virtually always overstate the performance of middling to weak QBs. FBG projections have 19 different QBs throwing at least 20 TDs; that's probably double the number that actually will throw 20 TDs. The baseline is too high.

I want to make sure we are using the same variables here because you and I are getting slightly different results.Using the standard FBG scoring in the VBD, only changing points per passing TD from 4 to 6.

QB1 overall VBD rank jumps from 6 to 3

QB2 31 to 20 (the biggest jump)

QB3 from 34 to 29

QB4 41 to 36

QB5 44 to 40

QB6 55 to 52

QB7 59-54

After round 5 only 7 QBs have come off the board in either scenario. This is a tweak at best and should not significantly alter draft strategy.

If you want to increase the value of QBs, switch to starting 2 QBs. At 4 pts per passing TD and starting 2 QBs, 4 are ranked in the top 12, and 6 in the top 26. 17 QBs are ranked in the top 60. That requires a significant alteration to your draft strategy.

 

[GreenNGold]

I am in 6 leagues and they all use 6 points per TD.

In my main league, we start 2 QB's and passing TD's are still 6 points.

My only gripe about this site is they consider 4 points to be the standard, so I need to up the QB's a bit in everything I read here. Everything else is brilliant.

 

[Mystery Achiever]

One of my two leagues uses 4pts/td and -2pts for interceptions (standard ESPN scoring ). This is the league I drafted Vick in last year and may try for Vince Young this year.

 

[Yah_Shoor_Yoobetchya]

Other

2 pts = 1-5 yds

3 pts = 6-10 yds

4 pts = 11-20 yds

5 pts = 21-30 yds

6 pts = 31-40 yds

7 pts = 41-50 yds

9 pts = 51+ yds

Been this way for >15 years now.

 

[CalBear]

If you want to increase the value of QBs, switch to starting 2 QBs. At 4 pts per passing TD and starting 2 QBs, 4 are ranked in the top 12, and 6 in the top 26. 17 QBs are ranked in the top 60. That requires a significant alteration to your draft strategy.

I am not interested in increasing the value of QBs, as much as I am interested in avoiding depressing the value of QBs for no reason. Everyone else gets 6 points for TDs and there's no reason QBs shouldn't.

 

[cobalt_27]

If you want to increase the value of QBs, switch to starting 2 QBs. At 4 pts per passing TD and starting 2 QBs, 4 are ranked in the top 12, and 6 in the top 26. 17 QBs are ranked in the top 60. That requires a significant alteration to your draft strategy.

I am not interested in increasing the value of QBs, as much as I am interested in avoiding depressing the value of QBs for no reason. Everyone else gets 6 points for TDs and there's no reason QBs shouldn't.

Anyone who disagrees with this should be banned from FF for life.

 

[cobalt_27]

I am in 6 leagues and they all use 6 points per TD. In my main league, we start 2 QB's and passing TD's are still 6 points. My only gripe about this site is they consider 4 points to be the standard, so I need to up the QB's a bit in everything I read here. Everything else is brilliant.

This will change next year, me thinks. 6pt PaTD is now the standard. Usually ahead of the curve, this site will have to just play catch-up.

 

[joey]

I am in 6 leagues and they all use 6 points per TD. In my main league, we start 2 QB's and passing TD's are still 6 points. My only gripe about this site is they consider 4 points to be the standard, so I need to up the QB's a bit in everything I read here. Everything else is brilliant.

This will change next year, me thinks. 6pt PaTD is now the standard. Usually ahead of the curve, this site will have to just play catch-up.

...except the 4pts-per-TD option is still winning in this poll.just sayin'

 

[cobalt_27]

I am in 6 leagues and they all use 6 points per TD. In my main league, we start 2 QB's and passing TD's are still 6 points. My only gripe about this site is they consider 4 points to be the standard, so I need to up the QB's a bit in everything I read here. Everything else is brilliant.

This will change next year, me thinks. 6pt PaTD is now the standard. Usually ahead of the curve, this site will have to just play catch-up.

...except the 4pts-per-TD option is still winning in this poll.just sayin'

Had another poll about a month or so ago where the 6pt PaTD flattened the 4pt PaTD. Which is how it should be.

 

[Chaka]

If you want to increase the value of QBs, switch to starting 2 QBs. At 4 pts per passing TD and starting 2 QBs, 4 are ranked in the top 12, and 6 in the top 26. 17 QBs are ranked in the top 60. That requires a significant alteration to your draft strategy.

I am not interested in increasing the value of QBs, as much as I am interested in avoiding depressing the value of QBs for no reason. Everyone else gets 6 points for TDs and there's no reason QBs shouldn't.

I agree with that rationale but I still contend that 6 points per passing TD is has a minimal impact at best.I view QBs as the most important player on the field and I like my fantasy league to reflect that fact as much as possible.