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[packersfan]

I like both teams in the NFC title game this weekend but if I had to pick a team to root for it would be the Seahawks. I like a lot of the players on their team and unlike some Packer fans, I don't harbor any bitterness or resentment toward Holmgren. I think he's a terrific head coach and Packer fans should be eternally grateful for the work he did and how he helped restore the team to prominence after two-plus decades of misery. So I'm rooting for Holmgren to get back to the Super Bowl and I was curious how other Packer fans here felt. Will you be happy for him if he advances or are you pulling for the Panthers to make the trip instead?

 

[Jeremy]

I agree. Will always be grateful to Holmgren for bringing home the Lombardi trophy. No resentment here.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Can't aruge. I like Mike and Matt.

 

[mektarus]

Sorry, I don't agree. While I certainly appreciate the time he spent with the Packers, he showed himself to be an ego-maniacal control freak by bailing on the team when they wouldn't give him complete control. Ironically, if he had stuck around a couple of more years he would most likely have gotten the control he wanted and we would probably have another SB appearance (or more). I have nothing against any of the Seattle players, in fact, there are several that I like quite a lot. However, I will root against Holmgren every chance I get.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Sorry, I don't agree. While I certainly appreciate the time he spent with the Packers, he showed himself to be an ego-maniacal control freak by bailing on the team when they wouldn't give him complete control.

I don't hold that against him. Really, had Ron Wolf been more forthcoming about his plans, Holmgren might've stuck around. You never know. Plus, what coach doesn't want full control? My guess is they all do, so I can't blame him for that. Holmgren was a key ingredient in putting Green Bay back on the map. I wish him luck.

 

[Eternal Outlaw]

Didn't they give Sherman complete ontrol right after Holmgren left? Why would they not give a Super Bowl winner the control but then turn around and give it to someone who is not proven? And how can you be mad at the proven guy for leaving when the organization went out and gave what he wanted to the next guy?

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Didn't they give Sherman complete ontrol right after Holmgren left?  Why would they not give a Super Bowl winner the control but then turn around and give it to someone who is not proven?  And how can you be mad at the proven guy for leaving when the organization went out and gave what he wanted to the next guy?

Not exactly. Wolf hired Ray Rhodes right after Sherman (1 year.) Sherman followed Rhodes as coach, and after 1 year of Sherman, Wolf decided to hang it up and made a bad decision to prop up Sherman for the job. Ultimately, Wolf needs to share some blame for not letting Holmgren know what was on the horizon.

 

[packersfan]

Sorry, I don't agree. While I certainly appreciate the time he spent with the Packers, he showed himself to be an ego-maniacal control freak by bailing on the team when they wouldn't give him complete control. Ironically, if he had stuck around a couple of more years he would most likely have gotten the control he wanted and we would probably have another SB appearance (or more). I have nothing against any of the Seattle players, in fact, there are several that I like quite a lot. However, I will root against Holmgren every chance I get.

I know a few Packer fans who are just like you. I strongly disagree with that sentiment. I agree Holmgren had (and still has) a huge ego and I agree he handled the Seattle situation poorly during Super Bowl week vs. Denver and that he didn't have enough of his focus on his job in his final season in 98. All that being said, he was an incredible head coach and brought two trips to the Super Bowl and one Super Bowl victory plus several years of strong football to an organization that had been starving for even a modest level of success for more than 20 years. Do I wish Holmgren had handled things differently in the situations mentioned above? Absolutely. Will I hold those (what I believe to be) mistakes in judgment against him forever and ignore the fact his track record at Green Bay was weighted heavily in the positive column? Nope and because of that, I'm rooting for him this weekend.

 

[The Amalgamated]

I agree. Will always be grateful to Holmgren for bringing home the Lombardi trophy. No resentment here.

 

[snorlax]

I'm rooting for the Panthers just because I like them more.

 

[BGP]

I remember back in 1999 when the Browns came back it was the same offseason that Holmgren was to leave the Packers. There was discussion of trading the #1 overall pick for Holmgren and having him coach / GM the new Browns, but the NFL came down with a ruling that the Browns were barred from trading the #1 pick for him.

At the time I said I would do it. As it turns out, we could have had Tim Couch, Ricky Williams, or Holmgren.

Holmgren was probably the only correct choice. And it really would have brought the Browns full circle. The Browns are NOT the Steelers - the Browns win with OFFENSE. They dominated the 1940s and 1950s with offense. Paul Brown, the coaching legend, was an offensive genius. Almost all of our Hall of Famers are on the offensive side of the ball. Bill Walsh was a Paul Brown disciple. Holmgren was a Bill Walsh disciple. So it brought the Browns back to where they should be. It was right.

But now, we still have a defensive co-ordinator for a head coach in Crennel.

 

[ComebackKurt]

Love my pack, but still root for Mike... I find it hard to find something negative about his team outside of Alexander's outburst last year and he ridded himself on Krob... i love his teams, he is a mastermind IMO.

 

[KingPrawn]

Sorry, I don't agree. While I certainly appreciate the time he spent with the Packers, he showed himself to be an ego-maniacal control freak by bailing on the team when they wouldn't give him complete control. Ironically, if he had stuck around a couple of more years he would most likely have gotten the control he wanted and we would probably have another SB appearance (or more). I have nothing against any of the Seattle players, in fact, there are several that I like quite a lot. However, I will root against Holmgren every chance I get.

While I wish we still had Holmgren in GB I don't understand how you can hold it against him for pursuing a job that was clearly a promotion. How many of us if offered a job with better pay and a promotion in another company would turn it down to stick with your current company? I'm betting not many. I don't hold it against somebody for wanting to improve their lot in life. Go Seahawks. Best of luck Mike Holmgren.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

While admitting he was a great coach and that the Packers would likely have had much more success the past six years had he stayed, I still harbor resentment against Holmgren because of the way he left. In retrospect, we know he was entertaining Paul Allen's offers even while preparing his team for SB XXXII, a game the Packers lost as a double-digit favorite. I believe he lost his focus during the 1998 season and it showed. To add insult to injury, he took every competent coach and even administrative personel with him to Seattle, leaving the Packers with huge holes to fill throughout the organization.I wouldn't mind seing the walrus win on Sunday, but only because that will lead to a second embarrassment by Shanny in two weeks.

 

[Kleck.]

I'm absolutely rooting for Holmgren and the Hawks. I was one of the Packer fans that agreed more with Holmgren than Wolf during those last two years Holmgren was in Green Bay.

 

[underdogx3]

I'm going for the Panthers but I have no ill feelings towards Holmgren. I think coaches need to move around because their philosophies tend to get old at some point. He accomplished a lot in GB and he's a good person - it's hard to hate on the guy...

 

[Brewtown]

Mike Holmgren did great things in Green Bay! He's an offensive wizard and got the most out of great players like Sterling Sharpe and Favre. He won a Super Bowl. Made a great call in letting Denver score in SB XXXII (learning from an earlier game vs Indy when they should have done the same thing!). He was tuff on players but was also fair to them. Perfect combo of players coach and disciplinarian. All around good guy who had a big hand in bringing Green Bay back from the doldrums. I harbor no ill will.That being said, I hope the Seahawks lose on Sunday. Go Pack!

 

[mektarus]

...He's an offensive wizard and got the most out of great players like Sterling Sharpe and Favre...

So you're saying that these were players of average talent that only played well because of Holmgren??

 

[packersfan]

Congrats to Holmgren on making his third trip to the Super Bowl in less than a decade. The Big Swede will be trying to set an NFL record when he attempts to become the first head coach to win a Super Bowl with two different teams. Congrats again to Holmgren and good luck against the Steelers.