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How much did waivers affect your league champion? (1 Viewer)

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I saw an excellent article on ESPN about what players were rostered on the most championship teams and it got me wondering about how many players on the list were likely waiver wire pickups through out the year? Obviously ODB was on there and the other one I saw was CJ Anderson.

In one of my leagues, the champion started out at 0-3, then 1-4 a few weeks later, and then 2-5 after just over half our regular season was completed (13 weeks total). He had an already solid roster, and then w/ODB won 8 of 9 games to make the playoffs and win it all.

Now good to him for winning it all and playing the waivers well, so I'm not knocking him on that, but it made me ask the question... is it just better to tank a few weeks, hope to hit on the big waiver guys being higher in the order?

It's a risky strategy, and one I wouldn't do, but it seems like if this is winning leagues, then maybe this make a better case for a rolling waiver order that doesn't reset every week, or FAB purchases.

Here's the link to the article:

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/12092730/odell-beckham-jr-far-most-popular-player-champions-rosters

Did anyone else see a similar scenario in their leagues, where the champ was helped tremendously from having a higher spot in the waiver order and happened to get the right guys to add to a bad/average team?

My goal is to potentially change our rules to limit the desire to do this. Thanks.

 
I had ODB and still lost in the championship.

Would be incredibly dumb to lose on purpose on the hope that you get the guy that's gonna carry you to a championship.

Depending on the league, you didn't need to be #1 on waivers to get ODB before he came back from injury. Got CJ Anderson in one league as well and was in the middle of the pack in the waiver order.

Last year it was Peyton and Jamaal Charles carrying teams to a championship, no one was snagging them off waivers.

 
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I won't join any new league that doesn't use free-agent auction bidding for exactly this reason. (Ironically, the two legacy leagues I'm in that don't use it are the two where I made the finals this year. But still.)

Waivers are so critical to building a winning team in this day and age that it's folly to rely on the luck of the draw to determine which teams get which FAs.

 
We use blind bid auction for waivers. Miraculously, some one dropped TY Hilton after week 3 or 4 and NOBODY bid on him the first two days! I snagged him on the third day. I would not have won my title had that not happened that the owner who drafted him and then that the entire league was asleep at the wheel when he was on waivers.

 
16 team league. I had drafted and held onto, but almost cut ODB and won the league. Stayed relatively healthy so waivers didn't have a big impact though picked up Tre Mason who was a nice fill in for a few games.

 
i'm in an IDP dynasty league. i worked the hell out of the waiver wire. i got a number of players from the IDP side through the wire but also a few players that helped cover the end of the roster for me. in fantasy games, you can't expect to win with zero production for roster spots in a week. every spot counts, i think, and a player like charles johnson helped chip in down the stretch during some very tight games.

i won my league this year too.

 
In my league, the guy who picked up ODB finished middle of the pack. The guy who picked up CJ Anderson missed the playoffs. I drafted Matt Forte and Antonio Brown with my first 2 picks, Kelvin Benjamin and Russell Wilson late, and made a couple of key trades to win my league (Tony Romo and Rashad Jennings for AJ Green very early, Sammy Watkins and Shane Vereen for Emmanuel Sanders soon after). The waiver wire can certainly help, but having a solid foundation is key.

I have tried a couple of times to switch my league to blind bid waivers, to no avail.

 
That's actually a pretty solid list of players from everyone.

The guy that won our league certainly had a good core as well (also had Charles, Foster, A. Brown and Sanders) so it's not like he got the big boost from waivers alone. ODB just made him darn near unbeatable.

But it appears in other instances, you can certainly flip around a team from a poor start, by taking advantage of being low on the waiver wire.

Blind bid, or at least a rolling order, seems to be a logical step to reduce the idea of someone tanking to get a good run at the waivers

 
In one league i drafted AP and Ball with my first 2 picks. But picked up Evans, OBJ, Mason, Crowell and Stewart, amongst others, at various points in the season. Cruised in the playoffs to a championship victory.

 
The guy who won my league had Calvin Johnson and Brandon Marshall to start the year. He missed out on Beckham, but snagged Brandon LaFell very early and had him in his lineup for that mice little stretch of games.

 
I'm a FF veteran of 20+ years and I've won many titles.

In the past, RB's were a mainstay of my draft and waiver pickup.

This year I chose Calvin and then D. Thomas rounds 1 & 2.

I got Luck in round 6. Those 3 won it for me. :bow:

Zac Stacy, Andre Ellington and Toby Gerhart in rounds 3,4 & 5 did not win it for me. :doh:

I streamed defenses all year and picked up SEA after someone dropped them when they slid for a few weeks. :lmao:

I picked up Stewart and Hill who helped me win a Championship. :thumbup:

So don't change the rules man. I was last to pick every week because I was in first place all year.

I stil got great waiver pickups and won. :yes: :D

 
JoeMoney said:
I saw an excellent article on ESPN about what players were rostered on the most championship teams and it got me wondering about how many players on the list were likely waiver wire pickups through out the year? Obviously ODB was on there and the other one I saw was CJ Anderson.

In one of my leagues, the champion started out at 0-3, then 1-4 a few weeks later, and then 2-5 after just over half our regular season was completed (13 weeks total). He had an already solid roster, and then w/ODB won 8 of 9 games to make the playoffs and win it all.

Now good to him for winning it all and playing the waivers well, so I'm not knocking him on that, but it made me ask the question... is it just better to tank a few weeks, hope to hit on the big waiver guys being higher in the order?

It's a risky strategy, and one I wouldn't do, but it seems like if this is winning leagues, then maybe this make a better case for a rolling waiver order that doesn't reset every week, or FAB purchases.

Here's the link to the article:

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/12092730/odell-beckham-jr-far-most-popular-player-champions-rosters

Did anyone else see a similar scenario in their leagues, where the champ was helped tremendously from having a higher spot in the waiver order and happened to get the right guys to add to a bad/average team?

My goal is to potentially change our rules to limit the desire to do this. Thanks.
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I hope you play redraft because a 12th overall pick in the NFL Draft shouldn't be on too many waivers.

I think there is a sweet spot on waiver moves. Too few and you'll probably miss the home-runs - too many and you probably release some gems. Every year I hope to find 2-3 guys to solidify my team.

Sometimes sitting on top of the waiver is a blessing - especially after a sudden injury. However, we move to the bottom of the list whenever a player is acquired. Always giving the last place team waiver precedence could be your problem.

 
It cost me a championship. My league (redraft) was set up stupidly, at least IMO, where if you won the week, you're pushed to the bottom of the waiver priority, and since I had a top2 record the entire year I was either 13th or 14th in the order. It wasn't that waivers won or helped this league but it was super deep 14 team league, rosters were 25 deep, so we were basically forced to draft our team and that was what you were going to win with. I lost to the OBJ/Demarco owner who drafted them both, but b/c of the depth of our rosters there was nobody on waivers at all.

The biggest most impactful waiver add's were: Denard Robinson, Davante Adams, Martavis Bryant, all who likely didn't help win a title.

 
in one redraft league I won, my opponent made like 5 moves the entire year - I think I made like 110 - yet we both made it to the Super Bowl

I play waivers hard - every year players that impact fantasy comes off them, this year CJ Anderson especially made a huge difference, Beckham Jr too in many leagues

 
DropKick said:
JoeMoney said:
I saw an excellent article on ESPN about what players were rostered on the most championship teams and it got me wondering about how many players on the list were likely waiver wire pickups through out the year? Obviously ODB was on there and the other one I saw was CJ Anderson.

In one of my leagues, the champion started out at 0-3, then 1-4 a few weeks later, and then 2-5 after just over half our regular season was completed (13 weeks total). He had an already solid roster, and then w/ODB won 8 of 9 games to make the playoffs and win it all.

Now good to him for winning it all and playing the waivers well, so I'm not knocking him on that, but it made me ask the question... is it just better to tank a few weeks, hope to hit on the big waiver guys being higher in the order?

It's a risky strategy, and one I wouldn't do, but it seems like if this is winning leagues, then maybe this make a better case for a rolling waiver order that doesn't reset every week, or FAB purchases.

Here's the link to the article:

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/12092730/odell-beckham-jr-far-most-popular-player-champions-rosters

Did anyone else see a similar scenario in their leagues, where the champ was helped tremendously from having a higher spot in the waiver order and happened to get the right guys to add to a bad/average team?

My goal is to potentially change our rules to limit the desire to do this. Thanks.
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I hope you play redraft because a 12th overall pick in the NFL Draft shouldn't be on too many waivers.

I think there is a sweet spot on waiver moves. Too few and you'll probably miss the home-runs - too many and you probably release some gems. Every year I hope to find 2-3 guys to solidify my team.

Sometimes sitting on top of the waiver is a blessing - especially after a sudden injury. However, we move to the bottom of the list whenever a player is acquired. Always giving the last place team waiver precedence could be your problem.
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Yea this is a 10 team PPR redraft actually.

And yes, the last place team after the week does get first spot in waivers. Some guys do slip through the cracks. For example, I had CJ Anderson on the roster at one point during the year, but dropped him when it looked like Hillman was going to be the guy to make room for someone else. Never got him back after that. ie... I released a gem and that probably happened to others in the league during the year too.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
I won't join any new league that doesn't use free-agent auction bidding for exactly this reason. (Ironically, the two legacy leagues I'm in that don't use it are the two where I made the finals this year. But still.)

Waivers are so critical to building a winning team in this day and age that it's folly to rely on the luck of the draw to determine which teams get which FAs.
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Agree 100%

 
I won my league this year in part to picking up Beckham

I guess we have rolling waivers and you can only pick up one player per week also waivers are closed once the playoff starts

Anyway I drafted CJ Anderson, held him for about 10 weeks and dropped him to cover a bye hoping to get him back the following week but of course Hillman got hurt that week and I was too low in the waiver order to get Anderson back

We draft a couple of weeks before the season so Beckham was drafted really late 16th round but was dropped before the season started when it was announced he wasn’t going to play for a while.

I am Giants fan so I was monitoring his progress and picked him up in free agency before his 1st game. I just went back to look at the waiver wire order that week. I was 9th in the order when I picked up Beckham.

 
Our league champ had Beckham, C.J. Anderson, and Jeremy Hill. So, yeah.

It's a blind bidding format so most people blew their budgets in the first 4 weeks, long before those guys became roster-worthy.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
I won't join any new league that doesn't use free-agent auction bidding for exactly this reason. (Ironically, the two legacy leagues I'm in that don't use it are the two where I made the finals this year. But still.)

Waivers are so critical to building a winning team in this day and age that it's folly to rely on the luck of the draw to determine which teams get which FAs.
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I have overcome bad drafts many times through free agent pickups. They are crucial, especially with all the injury attrition and early round busts.

I agree also that FAAB is the way to go by far.

 
Also waiver order is ridiculous.

Blind bidding is the only thing that makes sense.

Rewarding teams for drafting bad is just tardtastic

 
I did okay. I was in 1st place ALL season long (always last on waiver order) and won the championship. :shrug:

Can you even do blind bidding in a redraft league? How would that work? I always assumed it was only for dynasty leagues.

 
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My champ had ODB and CJ as well. To make it worse, they implemented a keeper format where waiver wire adds are eligible to be kept. Terrible

 
JoeMoney said:
I saw an excellent article on ESPN about what players were rostered on the most championship teams and it got me wondering about how many players on the list were likely waiver wire pickups through out the year? Obviously ODB was on there and the other one I saw was CJ Anderson.

In one of my leagues, the champion started out at 0-3, then 1-4 a few weeks later, and then 2-5 after just over half our regular season was completed (13 weeks total). He had an already solid roster, and then w/ODB won 8 of 9 games to make the playoffs and win it all.

Now good to him for winning it all and playing the waivers well, so I'm not knocking him on that, but it made me ask the question... is it just better to tank a few weeks, hope to hit on the big waiver guys being higher in the order?

It's a risky strategy, and one I wouldn't do, but it seems like if this is winning leagues, then maybe this make a better case for a rolling waiver order that doesn't reset every week, or FAB purchases.

Here's the link to the article:

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/12092730/odell-beckham-jr-far-most-popular-player-champions-rosters

Did anyone else see a similar scenario in their leagues, where the champ was helped tremendously from having a higher spot in the waiver order and happened to get the right guys to add to a bad/average team?

My goal is to potentially change our rules to limit the desire to do this. Thanks.
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Who desires to do this? Talk about a sour grapes rule change.

 
I started 0-3, made it to 3-3 and hovered around .500 the rest of the way. Picked up ODB and Anderson, barely made the playoffs and won the title. The team that was the clear best all season had Luck and Murray.

 
MaxThreshold said:
ghostguy123 said:
MaxThreshold said:
I did okay. I was in 1st place ALL season long (always last on waiver order) and won the championship. :shrug:

Can you even do blind bidding in a redraft league? How would that work? I always assumed it was only for dynasty leagues.
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???

Its exactly the same
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Exactly....how?
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How is blind bidding the same in redraft as it is in dynasty???

Well, picture doing blind bidding for your dynasty league. Now imagine that same league is going to end after this year.

Same. No idea how this is not computing.

 
I Am the Stig said:
JoeMoney said:
I saw an excellent article on ESPN about what players were rostered on the most championship teams and it got me wondering about how many players on the list were likely waiver wire pickups through out the year? Obviously ODB was on there and the other one I saw was CJ Anderson.

In one of my leagues, the champion started out at 0-3, then 1-4 a few weeks later, and then 2-5 after just over half our regular season was completed (13 weeks total). He had an already solid roster, and then w/ODB won 8 of 9 games to make the playoffs and win it all.

Now good to him for winning it all and playing the waivers well, so I'm not knocking him on that, but it made me ask the question... is it just better to tank a few weeks, hope to hit on the big waiver guys being higher in the order?

It's a risky strategy, and one I wouldn't do, but it seems like if this is winning leagues, then maybe this make a better case for a rolling waiver order that doesn't reset every week, or FAB purchases.

Here's the link to the article:

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/football/story/_/id/12092730/odell-beckham-jr-far-most-popular-player-champions-rosters

Did anyone else see a similar scenario in their leagues, where the champ was helped tremendously from having a higher spot in the waiver order and happened to get the right guys to add to a bad/average team?

My goal is to potentially change our rules to limit the desire to do this. Thanks.
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Who desires to do this? Talk about a sour grapes rule change.
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No sour grapes here. He played within the rules as did I.

The point of my question was that in my general observations over the past few years was that finding a waiver gem is becoming more important to a great team than 10-12 years earlier. With what seems like the increasing amount of injuries the past few years, it is bringing about the ability to potentially punt the first few weeks to complete an already solid roster through a waiver claim.

I essentially wanted to see if others are seeing similar trends in their leagues and potentially propose a more fair system in my league and deter anyone from attempting to lose to gain... sorta like tanking for a better draft pick.

 
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