How Much Does Ahman Greens' Return Affect Slaton? (1 Viewer)

[SeniorVBDStudent]

I dropped Bush (since Fargas and DMac will get healthier and grabbed Ahman off the wire (best available).

However, I would guess that the majority of people think Ahman has zero chance of winning his job back.

Let's generate some poll results to see...(my vote is Slaton PROBABLY gets >70% of carries forward, and am just gonna hold and monitor Ahman for the next couple weeks). Indy is soft against the run, and I may be able to generate some modest trade value if nothing else...

 

[Sylira21]

I voted Slaton 70%+...but I think a more pertinent poll would be the over/under on how many games until Ahman gets hurt again.

Put me down for 2...if you plan to move him, I'd do it quickly.

 

[Doug B]

It just seems to me that Ahman Green's body is broken down. Even if he started getting something like split time with Slaton, it would just be a matter of time before Green ends up back on the shelf.

 

[H.K.]

Some short memories in here:

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

Link

 

[Downontheupside]

Some short memories in here:

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

Link

I think if anything Chris Taylor will lose some of his reps. slaton will never carry the load but he is too explosive and to much of a WR threat not to get the most touches.

 

[skillz]

Some short memories in here:

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

Link

That was a quote from a year and a half ago -- Green has had at least three injuries since then, and the quote is made before the GM even had Slaton on his roster. If it was a quote from the past month or so I would be more concerned about Green but it isn't. Bottom line is Slaton has produced the last two weeks, so they aren't going to just hand the ball to Green starting on Sunday and have him be the workhouse in the backfield. Slaton should still get 70% of the carries, and then the rest go to Green and Taylor IMO.

 

[slayer666]

I dropped Bush (since Fargas and DMac will get healthier and grabbed Ahman off the wire (best available).

You should have kept Bush.

 

[Road Warriors]

Slaton - 60% ( voted by a nose )

Taylor - 30%

Green - 10% - ( 2 carries, then on the bench with another ding )

Then

Slaton - 65

Taylor - 35

 

[davearm]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

 

[Sir Psycho]

Some short memories in here:

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

Link

That was a quote from a year and a half ago -- Green has had at least three injuries since then, and the quote is made before the GM even had Slaton on his roster. If it was a quote from the past month or so I would be more concerned about Green but it isn't. Bottom line is Slaton has produced the last two weeks, so they aren't going to just hand the ball to Green starting on Sunday and have him be the workhouse in the backfield. Slaton should still get 70% of the carries, and then the rest go to Green and Taylor IMO.

 

[H.K.]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

 

[mozzy84]

Some short memories in here:

"We're excited to get this deal done because Ahman's been a successful running back in this league for a long time," Texans general manager Rick Smith said. "We're going to hitch our wagon to him. We're not worried about his age because he takes great care of himself and is in great condition. One of the many things we like about him is his versatility. Not only can he run the ball, but he's an excellent receiver, too. We think he's an ideal fit for our system."

Link

yea nothing has changed since then

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Wasn't Green available last week? He didn't play but was healthy, wasn't he?

 

[mozzy84]

Wasn't Green available last week? He didn't play but was healthy, wasn't he?

he was listed as questionable but had practiced fully the friday before last weeks game.I always like some news from megan manfullMegan Manfull, of the Houston Chronicle, reports Houston Texans RB Ahman Green (ankle) participated in practice Thursday, Oct. 2. He is slated to backup RB Steve Slaton in the team's Week 5 game.Fantasy Impact: Unless you are desperate for running back options this week, stay away from Green.

 

[Sylira21]

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

"5.6 YPC in 2008" - based on 5 (five) carries."Averaged 65 YPG in 2007" - he played 6 games. He had two half-way decent games the first two games, where he got 70+ yards rushing, then had four miserable games the rest of the season wrapped around numerous absences/injuries, being questionable for weeks on end, and basically unplayable from a fantasy perspective."There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"...

 

[Skilo]

I dropped Bush (since Fargas and DMac will get healthier and grabbed Ahman off the wire (best available).However, I would guess that the majority of people think Ahman has zero chance of winning his job back.Let's generate some poll results to see...(my vote is Slaton PROBABLY gets >70% of carries forward, and am just gonna hold and monitor Ahman for the next couple weeks). Indy is soft against the run, and I may be able to generate some modest trade value if nothing else...

They will split carries until Green comes in, on his first run he gets hit, gets hurt, and is out for a few more games. Im a Houston homer and wish he would be able to utilize what skill he had in the past, but I just dont see it. I would have kept Bush.

 

[GoBirds]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

Sorry your girlfriend got sandwiched by Brandon Jacobs and Steve Slaton, not our fault.

 

[TitusIII]

He'll get a few carries, enough to keep Slaton from reaching the 20+ carry level, but I think that is a good thing for the Texans offense/Slaton.

 

[lyon812]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

 

[slayer666]

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Green has been on the field for all of 5 carries in 2008. And two years is an eternity for an oft-injured, over-the-hill running back who is pushing 32 years of age.From 2005-2007, Green averaged 3.8 yards a pop, and he has missed 25 starts in the past four seasons due to various leg injuries. At this point, he is stealing money from the Texans organization.

 

[H.K.]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

Makes sense. Chris Taylor is averaging 2.6 YPC, of course Slaton would be tough to take off the field compared to him. Also, Green was the starter going into the season, but he is rusty and he'll need to work his way back into it. But Green will be the guy. Guaranteed.

 

[skillz]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

Makes sense. Chris Taylor is averaging 2.6 YPC, of course Slaton would be tough to take off the field compared to him. Also, Green was the starter going into the season, but he is rusty and he'll need to work his way back into it. But Green will be the guy. Guaranteed.

Green will be the guy if: 1) Slaton falters (i.e. loses the starting job that is now his); and 2) Green stays healthy. Both are BIG if's, particularly the second point. As far as I can tell, you are basing your prediction of Green starting again based on: 1) a 5 carry sample size from this year; and 2) how he performed 2 years ago after injury. Not exactly reliable data, IMO. While I have always respected your opinions on this board, I almost get the sense you are pulling a Skip Bayless on this one -- just throwing up a counterargument for the sake of making one when there is really no basis for you to do so.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

The poll returned about what I expected, i.e. 10% predicting Green gets his job back. What's interesting is that Kubiak's quote implies that Taylor is the big loser here. I agree that the biggest risk for Green is staying healthy, but that is balanced by the upside of a rookie runningback hitting the wall later in the season.Bush on the other hand is likely to have TWO guys in front of him when Fargus's groin and DMac's toe stop bothering them. It was time for Bush to go, and Green was best available....

 

[Nate]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

Makes sense. Chris Taylor is averaging 2.6 YPC, of course Slaton would be tough to take off the field compared to him. Also, Green was the starter going into the season, but he is rusty and he'll need to work his way back into it. But Green will be the guy. Guaranteed.

Awesome. I still can't decide if it's sarcasm or not...

ETA: Hope you don't mind if I add it to my sig-collection of, erm, "well-informed" quotes

 

[seatownfavorite]

Here are some highlights, for those that think Slaton may not run with any power there are a couple of good shots in there. He does get stuffed at the goalline, but he keeps the legs churning and it was against Tenn.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80afad40

 

[rock753]

A better thread would be an over under on when Green gets hurt again.

 

[Nate]

Ahman Green 2007: 70 carries, 260 yds (3.71 YPC), 2 TDs / 19 targ, 14 rec, 123 yds, 0TDs

Steve Slaton 2008: 41 carries, 192 yds (4.7 YPC), 1TD / 15 targ, 15 rec, 97 yds, 1 TD

And for a fair comparison, to see what others did on the 2007 Texans

Darius Walker 2007: 58 carries, 264 yds (4.55 YPC), 1 TD / 15 targ, 13 rec, 81 yds, 0TDs

Ron Dayne 2007: 194 carries, 774 yds (3.98 YPC), 6 TD / 26 targ, 17 rec, 112 yds, 0TDs

Ahman Green has been without question the least productive running back to touch the ball in Houston since his arrival. Great Dayne and Walker both outperformed him. Green has had two respectable outings since arriving, against the Raiders and Panthers, who were both awful at that point last season. Go ahead and count his 96 yds against the awful Chiefs in week 1 if you want; Slaton has been more productive in his rookie season in Houston than Green has been as a veteran.

Unless Slaton completely implodes and Green turns back the clock a couple years, Slaton continues as the starter.

 

[JaxBill]

Green will steal some carries but Slaton will still get his receiving yards and plenty of touches.

 

[coolnerd]

This is Kubiak as of 10/2 i.e yesterday. Until his actions, don't follow his words; Slaton is the starter, greeen back-up and taylor injuired.

(on how RB Ahman Green looks) “He’s fine. He should be ready to go, unless something happens between today and tomorrow. He should be ready to go and he’ll back up Steve (Slaton) and hopefully get some effective carries for us.”

(on if he expects RB Chris Taylor to be active for the game) “As of today, it doesn’t look good. He did not practice today either. He’s got a serious thigh bruise that was drained and as of right now, it doesn’t look very good.”

http://www.houstontexans.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=4699

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

That was my first thought when I saw the options.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

That was my first thought when I saw the options.

The options were deliberately exaggerated to extract the maximum insight from the shark pool. :typical shark move:

 

[Englishteacher]

Time for a reality check here folks.

Virtually no RB gets 85% of his team's carries anymore. Steven Jackson, maybe. Can't think of anyone else. And 70% is a high number too.

As for the Houston situation specifically, YTD Slaton has received 68% of the RB carries (Slaton 41, Taylor 14, Green 5).

That 68% number actually has to go up after Green returns for the majority of the voters here to be right. That defies common sense.

Something like 50% Slaton, 35% Green, 15% Taylor seems pretty likely to me. But as H.K. points out, it's also quite plausible that Green gets the majority of the work, and the Texans use Slaton as the 3rd down/COP back they envisioned him to be at the outset.

Green has a 5.6 YPC in 2008 and is only two years removed from a 300+ touch 1400 yard season.

Everyone said he was done in 05, then he blew up in 06.

Green is a proven, full-time feature RB. He's healthy and ready to roll. For whatever reason, people write this guy off and he he keeps coming back to prove them wrong. Looks like this year is no different.

Last year he averaged 65 total yards a game as a Texan, and in half those games he left early due to injury.

He's going to get a major chunk of the RB work from now on, too.

I suspect they might have thought that themselves at one point, but Slaton outright stole/won the job. From rotoworld:

Ahman Green is likely to return to the Texans' lineup Sunday, but Steve Slaton will remain the starter -- as expected.

"(Slaton) is a hard guy to get off the field right now," coach Gary Kubiak said. "We thought we were going to split time with him and Chris (Taylor), but he won’t come off the field and that’s a good thing. So he’ll do whatever he feels like he can handle, and then Ahman will take the rest of it." Slaton has a great matchup against a sub par Colts run defense this week.

Makes sense. Chris Taylor is averaging 2.6 YPC, of course Slaton would be tough to take off the field compared to him. Also, Green was the starter going into the season, but he is rusty and he'll need to work his way back into it. But Green will be the guy. Guaranteed.

says the guy starting Slaton against me this week...