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Yeah, I'm thinking one of those retractable 30 ft' type deals...
He's right. They have too much money invested in him. I think Vick will put it all together in the next 2 years. Matt Schaub is a good backup QB but he'll never crack the lineup in Atlanta unless Vick is hurt. They've built the whole offense around the guy. Now I do think the Falcons could utilize Vick's talents more if they tweaked or modified the offense more. Just my thoughts though, I'm no Jim Mora! LOL.
I think Vick will get benched right after Brady and Manning do.
Oh Schaub.They said the same thing about Rob Johnson. Vick gets hurt, Johnson take sover, hello 2-11!Schaub is an average QB. He has generally looked bad beyond 1 game against the Pats. When the Pats game planned for Vick (#####ed about disclosing injuries, how ironic), were one of the worst pass Ds in the league.Here's the list of guys who lit up the Pats in 2005.Collins 265 3 tdsFrerote 365 2 tdsBrooks 222 3 tdsSchaub has 49% completion percentage, 4 tds, 5 ints. Average backup. Vick has a great winning percentage, is more accurate then Eli Manning, oh and he rushes for 600-700 yards a year. Oh and the offense is always ranked in the top 1/2 of the league. Oh and the rush defense was ranked 26th last year.The offense and Vick are not the problem. Despite people who try to look informed about the Falcons (including national media) all talk about Vick. He's a non issue here in ATL. He's fine. His offense scores. Here's the top 10 flaws with the Falcons.DefenseRush DefensePass DefenseRush DefenseRush DefenseRush DefenseDefensePass DefenseO-lineWRsSee, no Vick. And to let you know the Falcon plans, they drafted DJ Shockley to be the beckup next year. They'll ship off Schaub to some sucker for a 1st rnd pick in 2007. Schaub has no future in ATL, Vick has a 100 mil contract, he's the man, and will be the man as long as he's walking.
While I agree in principle, I am not 100% sold that a player with the massive contract that Vick has is worth the cap hit for what he's produced on the field. I agree that that Falcons' record has been very good when he starts, but I am not sold that their record is that good because of Vick. Trent Dilfer had a great streak of leading teams to victory . . . but is anyone that enamored with Dilfer?This is not a jab specifically at Vick, as there are other players in the league with big contracts that take away money that could be better invested elsewhere. That may not be as big an issue this year as the cap went up so much, but I suspect the longer Vick plays, the more he will count against the cap, and the less cap space they'll have. True, Vick is not the main problem but he needs to start earning his keep based solely on the amount they are paying him. He's one of (if not the) highest paid players in the league, and his numbers are decent but far from top tier. Regular trips deep into the playoffs wouldn't hurt either.
Wow, I'm getting pounded for this post!!
SWEET!! Seriously, it's just my opinion, but Vick is overated. The team within the last three years is 25-23, a .500 QB. I wouldn't be suprised if they end up 8-8 again this year or worse. If that's what people are happy with, then so be it.(I'm secretely waiting to see what kind of pounding I get from my second post on this subject...)
The owner loves him and the city loves him. Atlanta is not a sports town, but they love Vick. He will not be traded or benched because of fantasy football.
I really don't disagree with your opinion that Vick is not an elite QB. But the Falcons have him signed up for years. If he fails, it will be blamed on Mora's West Coast offense not being suitable. And as a fantasy QB he is vastly overrated. But that is the answer to the question that was never posed.The question you asked suggested you thought he would be benched. It is a different question entirely; and, it simply will NOT happen. At least not anytime soon and not unless it is injury related.Wow, I'm getting pounded for this post!!
Are you sure David? I thought Peyton Manning had the $100 million contract along with McNabb...$130 million?
Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
Falcons record with Vick as the starter over that 3 year span is 22-11, not 25-23.Looks like you forget that in the last three years, Vick has only be the fulltime starter for two of those three years (missed 11.5 games in 2003) and the Falcons went to within a game of the Superbowl in one of the two years Vick was the starter. You also forget that in 2004 & 2005 Schaub started 3 games - 2 at the end of 2004 (Play off seed wrapped up - Sainst & Seahawks) & 1 against the Pats in 2005 (injury to Vick's knee). All three of the games that Schaub started, ended up as losses.laughinboy_2000 said:Wow, I'm getting pounded for this post!!
As pointed out to you above, the Falcons record with Vick starting over the last three years is 22-11, not 25-23.Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.
Big Score beat me to it.Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
Vick agrees to 10-year deal worth $130MBy George Henry, The Associated PressMinistry of Pain said:
New to following sports?laughinboy_2000 said:
I think you need a Florida re-countCompetitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
FlaVVed. Vick missed almost all of 2003 when ATL went 5-11. But in the games Vick started they were 3-1.2002: 8-6-12003: 3-12004: 11-32005: 8-7Total in the past 4 seasons: 30-17-1 (.635) not counting 2-2 in the post-season.Big Score beat me to it.Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
OK . . . 22-11 (.667).Big Score said:laughinboy is only looking at Vick for the last 3 seasons Yudkin.FlaVVed. Vick missed almost all of 2003 when ATL went 5-11. But in the games Vick started they were 3-1.2002: 8-6-1Big Score beat me to it.Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
2003: 3-1
2004: 11-3
2005: 8-7
Total in the past 4 seasons: 30-17-1 (.635) not counting 2-2 in the post-season.
laughinboy is only looking at Vick for the last 3 seasons Yudkin. But the point of your post confirms my previous two posts. His numbers for wins - losses with Vick starting at QB, are wayyyy off the mark.FlaVVed. Vick missed almost all of 2003 went ATL went 5-11. But in the games Vick started they were 3-1.2002: 8-6-1Big Score beat me to it.Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
2003: 3-1
2004: 11-3
2005: 8-7
Total in the past 4 seasons: 30-17-1 (.635) not counting 2-2 in the post-season.
Yes....22-11.OK . . . 22-11 (.667).Big Score said:laughinboy is only looking at Vick for the last 3 seasons Yudkin.FlaVVed. Vick missed almost all of 2003 when ATL went 5-11. But in the games Vick started they were 3-1.2002: 8-6-1Big Score beat me to it.Competitive? Winning Games?Record last three years = 25-23?? Seems pretty average to me.wannabee said:
2003: 3-1
2004: 11-3
2005: 8-7
Total in the past 4 seasons: 30-17-1 (.635) not counting 2-2 in the post-season.
Good post right here. It's possible that Vick sucks at passing because defensive coordinators have figured him out, because I don't know enough about football to definitively say one way or the other. But I'd be willing to bet that Vick would flourish in a simpler offensive system designed to stretch the field and allow him to move around. He's played in this offense for what, 3 years? And Vick still talks about not being able to understand it. The sooner Jim Mora is fired, the better, because it appears that he's only going to make the QB coaches the scapegoat as long as he is head coach.massraider said:
I bet the Falcons get a higher draft pick for Schaub next year, than the Titans get for Volek this year.
Falcons record with Vick as the starter over that 3 year span is 22-11, not 25-23.Looks like you forget that in the last three years, Vick has only be the fulltime starter for two of those three years (missed 11.5 games in 2003) and the Falcons went to within a game of the Superbowl in one of the two years Vick was the starter. You also forget that in 2004 & 2005 Schaub started 3 games - 2 at the end of 2004 (Play off seed wrapped up - Sainst & Seahawks) & 1 against the Pats in 2005 (injury to Vick's knee). All three of the games that Schaub started, ended up as losses.laughinboy_2000 said:Wow, I'm getting pounded for this post!!
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. I think Mora is fine from a stability standpoint, but if the passing game doesn't improve then I expect Knapp to be the fall guy.
