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How stubborn was Peyton Sunday? (1 Viewer)

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We all know Peyton goes through all his gyrations/calls at the line of scrimmage. The purpose is to see how the defense is lined up(coverage), identify the mike, and count the number of guys in the box.

Peyton will usually run the ball 99% of the time with 7 guys in the box, and throw with 8 guys or more in the box. I think most people recognize Peyton does this, and he will audible at the line to adjust to what he sees.

The Chargers consistently showed 8 guys in the box, which forced the pass. Peyton threw the ball 48 times, and the Gonzalez and Clark TD's were the big plays and caused by lazy safety play. Otherwise, everything was in front of the Chargers. I believe the Chargers wanted the Colts to throw the ball. Chargers were showing 8 in the box, and rushing 4 guys and showing multiple looks and zone blitzing...they wanted Merriman and Phillips rushing the passer on most plays. The plan worked.

The Colts ran the ball 18 times for 50 yards. I know in most cases, running against an 8 man front is not fruitful but if you don't at least show it...can you keep the defense honest? Granted the ypc by the Colts was not very good, but you have capable runners...why not mix in a run?

I think the stubborness of the Colts, mainly Peyton may have cost them the game. The Colts ran the ball 8 times for 32 yards in the 2nd half. They were playing like a team down by 20 points, not a team down by 4 points going into the 4th quarter.

The Chargers may well use the same game plan this week, but will need their safeties to play better.

 
In most cases of playing a good defense, you've gotta take what the defense give you, which in this case was the short-to-mid pass play... evidenced by the corners laying off the Colts' WRs way off the line. This isn't rocket science, but then what do I know? The only reason I know the above is by simply listening to what the announcers were saying. :goodposting:

 
I thought Peyton played a decent game :whistle:

The only reason the Colts lost this game were the drops by his WRs and the fumbles. He did a good job of taking what the defense gave him IMO.

 
I thought Peyton played a decent game :whistle:The only reason the Colts lost this game were the drops by his WRs and the fumbles. He did a good job of taking what the defense gave him IMO.
I thought Peyton did fine. It was the Colts defense that let them down.
 
In most cases of playing a good defense, you've gotta take what the defense give you, which in this case was the short-to-mid pass play... evidenced by the corners laying off the Colts' WRs way off the line. This isn't rocket science, but then what do I know? The only reason I know the above is by simply listening to what the announcers were saying. :whistle:
Peyton took what the defense gave him in the Superbowl last year and won handily. He throw short passes and carved the Bears up in the biggest game of his life. Brady took what the Jags gave him Saturday - all underneath stuff - and finished with a record breaking performance. Bottom line? Peyton wasn't the cause for the loss. The Colts defense couldn't make the stops when they needed to.
 
I thought the colts went deep a couple of times whne they maybe should have been more conservative but manning played well. If he had played just a little better they could have won. But he does not deserve the blame. blame goes to the defense that did'nt step up when they had to. The defense got no pressure on the QB.

 
Funny how one year makes a world of difference...in previous year's Peyton would be killed.

I'm not trying to kill him, just saying how they played like a team who was down BIG...bottom line.

Granted, the Colts defense was horrible, but in most cases the Colts would be able to score more points.

 
I thought Peyton played a decent game :wall:The only reason the Colts lost this game were the drops by his WRs and the fumbles. He did a good job of taking what the defense gave him IMO.
I thought Peyton did fine. It was the Colts defense that let them down.
:blackdot: Their Defense definitely didn't look like a top tier defense on Sunday.. The let Billy Volek & no LT pretty much march down the field in the 4th Quarter to take the lead..
 
I think the stubborness of the Colts, mainly Peyton may have cost them the game. The Colts ran the ball 8 times for 32 yards in the 2nd half. They were playing like a team down by 20 points, not a team down by 4 points going into the 4th quarter.The Chargers may well use the same game plan this week, but will need their safeties to play better.
Same Manning... different season. That won't work against Brady, and it is one of the things that separates them as QB's.
 
The game was not out of reach for Manning, and he didn't play well enough to win, but it wasn't his fault, and I wouldn't call this a choke like some of his previous playoff performances. He had a good, but not great, game.

 
I think the stubborness of the Colts, mainly Peyton may have cost them the game. The Colts ran the ball 8 times for 32 yards in the 2nd half. They were playing like a team down by 20 points, not a team down by 4 points going into the 4th quarter.The Chargers may well use the same game plan this week, but will need their safeties to play better.
Same Manning... different season. That won't work against Brady, and it is one of the things that separates them as QB's.
:unsure: :rant: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: You mean Brady's WRs won't drop the ball? Or you mean the Patriots D won't let the team down?
 
I thought the colts went deep a couple of times whne they maybe should have been more conservative but manning played well. If he had played just a little better they could have won. But he does not deserve the blame. blame goes to the defense that did'nt step up when they had to. The defense got no pressure on the QB.
If you are referring to when Wayne dropped the ball, or when Aromashodu gave up on his pattern.... what if the WRs did their job? Would it still have been wrong to go deep? Both of those would have been TDs and the Colts would have won....
 
The Chargers consistently showed 8 guys in the box, which forced the pass. Peyton threw the ball 48 times, and the Gonzalez and Clark TD's were the big plays and caused by lazy safety play. Otherwise, everything was in front of the Chargers. I believe the Chargers wanted the Colts to throw the ball. Chargers were showing 8 in the box, and rushing 4 guys and showing multiple looks and zone blitzing...they wanted Merriman and Phillips rushing the passer on most plays. The plan worked.
I think from the bolded statements that you are coming to a conclusion before gathering evidence.
 
The Chargers consistently showed 8 guys in the box, which forced the pass. Peyton threw the ball 48 times, and the Gonzalez and Clark TD's were the big plays and caused by lazy safety play. Otherwise, everything was in front of the Chargers. I believe the Chargers wanted the Colts to throw the ball. Chargers were showing 8 in the box, and rushing 4 guys and showing multiple looks and zone blitzing...they wanted Merriman and Phillips rushing the passer on most plays. The plan worked.
I think from the bolded statements that you are coming to a conclusion before gathering evidence.
McCree likes to keep his eyes in the backfield and forgets to move his feet, he was slow rotating on Gonzalez and Clarks TD's. Those were his plays to make, and he did not make them.They won, plan worked.

 
The Chargers consistently showed 8 guys in the box, which forced the pass. Peyton threw the ball 48 times, and the Gonzalez and Clark TD's were the big plays and caused by lazy safety play. Otherwise, everything was in front of the Chargers. I believe the Chargers wanted the Colts to throw the ball. Chargers were showing 8 in the box, and rushing 4 guys and showing multiple looks and zone blitzing...they wanted Merriman and Phillips rushing the passer on most plays. The plan worked.
I think from the bolded statements that you are coming to a conclusion before gathering evidence.
McCree likes to keep his eyes in the backfield and forgets to move his feet, he was slow rotating on Gonzalez and Clarks TD's. Those were his plays to make, and he did not make them.They won, plan worked.
Except they didn't stop Manning. 3 TDs, 400+ yards. Their defensive plan failed. They won because the Colts defense didn't play.
 
switz said:
I thought the colts went deep a couple of times whne they maybe should have been more conservative but manning played well. If he had played just a little better they could have won. But he does not deserve the blame. blame goes to the defense that did'nt step up when they had to. The defense got no pressure on the QB.
If you are referring to when Wayne dropped the ball, or when Aromashodu gave up on his pattern.... what if the WRs did their job? Would it still have been wrong to go deep? Both of those would have been TDs and the Colts would have won....
I said before that this wasn't a Manning choke job, but I have to disagree with you on this one. Going deep on third and 5 (or whatever the down/distance was) to a new receiver with whom you're not comfortable when you're on a must-have possession was incorrect. You can blame Aromashodu for making the mistake, but Manning deserves some of the blame for that play as well. Wayne's drop, like Clark's inability to make an acrobatic play on a slightly overthrown ball on fourth down at the end of the game, can both be expected over the course of the game. Manning could have thrown the ball a little better, they could have tried a little harder to catch it, but at the end of the day, it is what it is. The Aromashodu play was a mistake by Manning.
 
The Chargers consistently showed 8 guys in the box, which forced the pass. Peyton threw the ball 48 times, and the Gonzalez and Clark TD's were the big plays and caused by lazy safety play. Otherwise, everything was in front of the Chargers. I believe the Chargers wanted the Colts to throw the ball. Chargers were showing 8 in the box, and rushing 4 guys and showing multiple looks and zone blitzing...they wanted Merriman and Phillips rushing the passer on most plays. The plan worked.
I think from the bolded statements that you are coming to a conclusion before gathering evidence.
McCree likes to keep his eyes in the backfield and forgets to move his feet, he was slow rotating on Gonzalez and Clarks TD's. Those were his plays to make, and he did not make them.They won, plan worked.
Except they didn't stop Manning. 3 TDs, 400+ yards. Their defensive plan failed. They won because the Colts defense didn't play.
The Chargers played bend but don't break defense, slowed Manning down, and occasionally got sacks and turnovers. They held the Colts to a reasonable number of points and dictated the flow of the game. The Colts took the yards that the Chargers gave them, and made the obligatory turnovers. They scored three touchdowns and made three turnovers. By the way, a big chunk of Manning's yards came on big plays like Gonzalez' fourth quarter reception, which was a lot more of the rookie receiver's YAC than Manning's great pass, so it's a little misleading to say that Manning's receivers let him down while he threw for 400+ yards. But I understand where you're going.

 

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