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I brought it up to show how blanket labeling works at the heart of the Democratic party in 2016 when Hillary was the face and voice and I submit its gotten worse, not better
I don't believe she ever said no democrats are like that Please link to where she ever said none vote Democrat. Even not incliding democrats that does not make her saying no democrats have those deplorable characteristics ir are “deplorable”.
Holy hyperbole Batman!
At least he didn't call them deplorables.
She didn’t clearly say who was in that group....after she got called out she back peddled. She was clear to say half of Trump supporters are deplorable. Trump’s comment wasn’t referring to Democrats.
You're correct. She said something that was a bad generalization. Trump said something that some would consider worse, since Hillary listed the qualifier as being racists, sexist, etc. Trumps qualifier? Not supporting him ever.
What? That’s a question you need to figure out. If you think anyone here supports and are racists, sexist, homophobia, and all the other negative things that’s just wrong.
oh I've never said that - Trump is pathetic in many ways and we can discuss them too if you'd like. The point was how Trump supporter/voters are viewed and how the DNC built it up with their 2016 campaign and what Hillary said
"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it." - Hillary
Exercising the right to support whomever we want “makes you the worst”?
Is this some wildass generalization?At least he didn't call them deplorables.
The unfettered hypocrisy is breathtaking. Hate lying Schiff but love trump, hate corrupt Biden but are cool with Jarvanka, etc etc etc
What if Trump said 90 percent of Hillary supporters are scum? Would that make it ok since he was only talking about the ones who are scum?
I have no love for Hillary and what she said was wrong but Trump supporters crying foul and offended by this yet still support Trump is the very definition of partisan blinders.
No no no...there is nothing correct about claiming she wasn’t specific about who was in the half. She mentioned exactly who she out as deplorables. And in the next paragraph of her speech she said who was in the other half. If we are going to continue this irrelevant discussion of Hillary...we should at least have ot straight and do it honestly.
Yes, according to Trump. Never supporting him is his only qualifier. Isn't that the same as supporting whomever you want?
What if he didn't? It doesn't matter. We are operating off of the facts we have. His qualifier was never Trumpers = those that have never supported him are human scum. Would you rather your daughter marry a never Trumper or a sexist deplorable? As an African American in this country and find yourself in a dark alley late at night, are you hoping the group of men walking towards you are never Trumpers or a racists?
No...nor os that comparable really to what she said. And he already called Never Trampers that...and it was worse. There was no qualifier if being racist or whatever...simply being against him made them scum.
Never supporting him is much different than a terrible generalization that HALF of his supporters are deplorable and saying they are racist, sexist, homophonic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic.
Your splitting hairs here. Both of them called large groups of people awful names. Neither is acceptable end of story. They did the same thing.
They are both generalizations that don't move the country forward. You take it as she is saying the supporters are deplorable if they have one of those qualifiers. I take it as they have to have one of those qualifiers to be deplorable.
While I agree with your premise in theory it is more complicated then that. Nuisance and context are important.
I didn't vote for either of those two choices.
Yes...first basket...racists etc...
No. That’s a completely different conversation and not the one that was going on. You said you have to separate the person from the candidate they vote for. And again I agree, mostly, but there is a line at some point.
It's full of degenerates. You don't have to vote for anyone to be one of those.
That still leaves 50% that are not deplorable.
You never answered.
The real question they should be trying to answer, since numbers are growing daily, are where do Independents fall on either Trump or Hillary's scale.
I'm an independent and I'm confident that, if I'm a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any number of other horrible things, I'm deplorable regardless of who I vote for in 2020.
My voting record doesn't determine whether or not I'm deplorable. Same goes for everyone else on this planet.
I'm not crying foul
I shouldn't really comment too much in this thread as I'm not a Trump supporter, but in re-reading this quote I can't help but recall Reagan's "three halves of the budgetary pie". That is Hillary's first basket of deplorables is a half, then there is the second basket, second half of those "just desperate for change", and then there is that "other half" of those that were anti Hillary, or for Supreme Court justices, or for tax cuts, or getting rid of ObamaCare, or whatever. The only real differences being that Hillary forgot to mention this third half and Reagan's pie with three halves was a skit by Rich Little on the First Family Rides Again album. Other than that...
