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How To Get To Heaven When You Die. Read The First Post. Then Q&A Discussion. Ask Questions Here! (2 (1 Viewer)

DO YOU PLACE YOUR FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST, BELIEVING THAT HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN AS A SACRIFICE FOR SIN?

  • YES

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • NO

    Votes: 15 75.0%
  • I ALREADY PLACED MY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST & HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION TO SAVE ME

    Votes: 3 15.0%
  • OTHER

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • Total voters
    20
OP, if you restructured your thread to be "Top 300 FBG Bible verses of all time", you'd have much more success.
The last thread, which you can see linked under Similar threads below, started off being ignored for about a week. Then Paddington asked people what they thought a particular verse meant. I thought that had potential for good discussion so I replied. Other people replied. I think we had a good discussion for a while.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
Fantastic point.

The Catholic act of contrition puts this somewhat poetically:

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins
Because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell
But most of all because I have offended Thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
Apparently he's been posting the same thread in multiple internet forums for years. He's like the guy on the street corner yelling at you about G/god except his street corner his multiple forums.
 
Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
I disagree that it changes anything. See my prior response to you about me posting. I’ve been around for 20ish years and have participated in countless threads. If I started repeatedly posting Anti Trump (or pro Trump, whatever pick a side) threads that continue to get shut down, I’d be stopped. Me being a regular here wouldn’t change that.
 
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Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
 
Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
I disagree that it changes anything. See my prior response to you about me posting. I’ve been around for 20ish years and have participated in countless threads. If I started repeatedly posting Anti Trump (or pro Trump, whatever pick a side) threads that continue to get shut down, I’d be stopped. My being a regular here wouldn’t change that.
100% it's absolute craziness that these posts continue to prop up after the 6th 7th time. No other similar post would be allowed.

Maybe I should start another tariff thread? The last one of those had amazing non-political discussion. Until it didn't.
 
Somewhat funny story - I may have disturbed the cosmic force into creating this very thread.

I was driving around town the other day, and I was thinking about a previous version of this thread - without realizing they were all locked. But, I got the question in my head about Jesus - and it made me think of these threads. And the question boils down to this - Why do people believe in Jesus?

Serious question in my head, and as I was having the debate with myself, I decided that many people would say they believe in Jesus because the bible tells them to. Which I thought was a fair response - after all, how would you even know about Jesus, without the bible?

And this got me thinking about Thomas - and how he did not believe that Jesus rose from the dead without "proof".

And this led me to thinking - if you only believe in Jesus because the bible tells you to - isn't that kind of the same thing as Thomas?

And my first instinct was "no, because Thomas wanted physical proof, the bible still requires faith.

And, then my mistake was thinking of these threads, and how someone posted some videos of some guy (apologies, I don't recall his name, but he seemed well known and popular) - who used a bit of circular logic in the bible to "prove" that the bible was the word of god, and thus had to be believed. And, I recalled a lot of (or maybe a few) people nodding along in the thread. And that brought me back to Thomas - and if you need proof in the form of the bible being the word of god, then belief in Jesus based on the Bible probably does come back to the same issue confronting Thomas. You don't have faith, you believe because you have "proof" that god told you to believe.

And that made me smile - because blessed are those that have not seen, but still believe. But, then I realized that while I don't believe in the bible as a divine book, and still believe in god - I wasn't sure that where I stood on Jesus being anything more than a historical figure. So, I was a little flummoxed on where to go from there.

But, I figure, that by putting all that out into the universe, it inevitably led to Paddington renewing acquaintances with the forum.

So, it's probably my fault. Sorry.
 
In what could seems as counter to the point I’ve tried to make in this thread, it is a shame this conversational topic can’t seem to work (like many political threads). There are some people who have contributed, @dgreen to name one, who are fantastic and provide very informative and thought provoking posts.
I agree with you about @dgreen.
And he started his own religion topic awhile ago: https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/which-direction-is-christianity-going.816069/
And he did it without spamming.
And without people wanting to use his topic to defend spamming under the guise of protecting religious discussion.
It's a conversational topic that works.
Paddington's topics are spam.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
It really is getting ridiculous.
Then skip on to the next thread and ket everyone who wants to discuss it and or read the original post cone here.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
If you have a good relationship with God, you automatically get to heaven. But we can only have that right relationship through Jesus Christ.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
Apparently he's been posting the same thread in multiple internet forums for years. He's like the guy on the street corner yelling at you about G/god except his street corner his multiple forums.
If people accept Christ as a result, then sp be it.

1 Corinthians 1:21-25 KJV
[21] For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. [22] For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: [23] but we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; [24] but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. [25] Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
 
That said I don’t see how this thread will be much different than Paddington’s original post. Debating religion is similar to politics: stating your beliefs might make you feel better but they rarely change anyone’s mind.
Original post?

This is identical to the threads started by the same poster, on:
* April 28, 2025
* January 5, 2022
* February 13, 2019
* October 24, 2017
* February 21, 2016
* May 14, 2015

Between repeatedly posting the same content and linking to a third-party site that asks for donations, this is the very definition of spam posting.
It really is getting ridiculous.
Then skip on to the next thread and ket everyone who wants to discuss it and or read the original post cone here.
The guy who runs this place asked us to report all spam. Your posts qualify as such.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
Fantastic point.

The Catholic act of contrition puts this somewhat poetically:

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins
Because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell
But most of all because I have offended Thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
That things are framed the way the OP has framed them tells me he isn't here for actual discussion and concern for others. If he were, Heaven is the last thing he'd be talking about. It's pretty amazing that threads like this are allowed to be started over and over and over again around here. Every single one of them eventually ends the same way.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
If you have a good relationship with God, you automatically get to heaven. But we can only have that right relationship through Jesus Christ.
This is false. These are words of "works" not faith. And deflects from the original question you asked about being more important than "how to get to Heaven". There are literally a dozen + questions in the Christian religion more important than that one.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
I never said that I don't witness other forms. Who cares if I do? I've been doing this since 2005. You can call it spam all you want I answer questions that's not spam
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
Fantastic point.

The Catholic act of contrition puts this somewhat poetically:

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins
Because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell
But most of all because I have offended Thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
That things are framed the way the OP has framed them tells me he isn't here for actual discussion and concern for others. If he were, Heaven is the last thing he'd be talking about. It's pretty amazing that threads like this are allowed to be started over and over and over again around here. Every single one of them eventually ends the same way.
If I didn't have concern for others I wouldn't be here in the first place. And because I care I tell people how to get there to heaven. It's amazing to me that you are so concerned about shutting this thread down.
 
Okay I am done with the nonsense questions. If you have a real question about theology or Christ or how to get to heaven please let me know. I'm not going to answer nonsense questions anymore.
 
Okay I am done with the nonsense questions. If you have a real question about theology or Christ or how to get to heaven please let me know. I'm not going to answer nonsense questions anymore.
Have you ever actually read the entire bible? Because mostly you just cut and paste summaries from other people, and when you're asked specifics you cut and paste canned responses.
 
Also, do you think the point of becoming a Christian is to get into heaven, like you're getting a subscription to Amazon Prime? Is loving others and caring for the underprivileged just a means to an end for you? The entire point of this thread seems pretty misguided.
 
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
The key to being a truth seeker isn't constantly telling people you're right and they're wrong. Your entire attitude in these threads is completely off-putting, even to those who are already converted. I'd suggest you consider other ways to present Christianity because, IMO, you're hurting rather than helping the cause.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. Thos topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
This is relatively easy to answer for most Christians. How to have a good relationship with God is more important than "how to get to Heaven"
Fantastic point.

The Catholic act of contrition puts this somewhat poetically:

Oh my God I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee, and I detest all my sins
Because I dread the loss of heaven and the pains of hell
But most of all because I have offended Thee, my God, Who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve with the help of Thy grace, to confess my sins, to do penance, and to amend my life.
That things are framed the way the OP has framed them tells me he isn't here for actual discussion and concern for others. If he were, Heaven is the last thing he'd be talking about. It's pretty amazing that threads like this are allowed to be started over and over and over again around here. Every single one of them eventually ends the same way.
If I didn't have concern for others I wouldn't be here in the first place. And because I care I tell people how to get there to heaven. It's amazing to me that you are so concerned about shutting this thread down.
You misunderstand. I'm not "concerned" about this thread in any way whatsoever. I don't care if it gets shut down or not. I am merely pointing out that it's existence flies completely in the face of what is claimed to be the goal of moderation here. I stand by what I said and I believe most all the other Christians here do to. If you really cared about people, you wouldn't be focused on "how to get to Heaven". You'd be focused on them and meeting them where they are, understanding who they are and helping them in their journey. You do NONE of that in ANY of these threads.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
 
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
The key to being a truth seeker isn't constantly telling people you're right and they're wrong. Your entire attitude in these threads is completely off-putting, even to those who are already converted. I'd suggest you consider other ways to present Christianity because, IMO, you're hurting rather than helping the cause.
Wash, rinse and repeat. Every single thread, including this one multiple times has tried to help him see this, he simply isn’t open to it. And that, imo, is the single biggest reason this repeated thread continues to fail.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
I'm playing golf against a guy named Jesus this weekend. I'll run this question by him.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
I'm playing golf against a guy named Jesus this weekend. I'll run this question by him.
Probably a two glove guy, huh?
Yeah and a real teetotaler.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
I'm playing golf against a guy named Jesus this weekend. I'll run this question by him.
Probably a two glove guy, huh?
Yeah and a real teetotaler.
I'm sure there's a glass of wine or two in that round.
 
We need a religion forum…

And then lock it
No. This topic is the most important one of all. How to get to heaven? What is more important than that?
Well as a Christian I think the hope is to be in God's kingdom after the forces of evil that have corrupted this world are defeated. That kingdom per Jesus, per Paul, per the John of Revelation is not in heaven but here on earth. Maybe a renewed or remade earth, but here on earth.

The issue as a Christian though is that the bible says that both Jesus and Paul expected and said/wrote that this was happening within the generation of their audience. So, either the bible is wrong about this (doubtful for Paul's genuine letters) or they were.

Finally, though I think despite Jesus getting a few things wrong (as recorded in the gospels), I think that the ethical teachings of being prepared now to live in God's kingdom are much more important. That the letter of the law was never the point here or there, and we should live by the spirit of the law which is both less strict and more demanding at the same time. Maybe we need God's help to finish off the forces of evil, but we can all do our little part to move the world towards the kingdom of God. Following these teachings of Jesus is more important.
 
Somewhat funny story - I may have disturbed the cosmic force into creating this very thread.

I was driving around town the other day, and I was thinking about a previous version of this thread - without realizing they were all locked. But, I got the question in my head about Jesus - and it made me think of these threads. And the question boils down to this - Why do people believe in Jesus?

Serious question in my head, and as I was having the debate with myself, I decided that many people would say they believe in Jesus because the bible tells them to. Which I thought was a fair response - after all, how would you even know about Jesus, without the bible?

And this got me thinking about Thomas - and how he did not believe that Jesus rose from the dead without "proof".

And this led me to thinking - if you only believe in Jesus because the bible tells you to - isn't that kind of the same thing as Thomas?

And my first instinct was "no, because Thomas wanted physical proof, the bible still requires faith.

And, then my mistake was thinking of these threads, and how someone posted some videos of some guy (apologies, I don't recall his name, but he seemed well known and popular) - who used a bit of circular logic in the bible to "prove" that the bible was the word of god, and thus had to be believed. And, I recalled a lot of (or maybe a few) people nodding along in the thread. And that brought me back to Thomas - and if you need proof in the form of the bible being the word of god, then belief in Jesus based on the Bible probably does come back to the same issue confronting Thomas. You don't have faith, you believe because you have "proof" that god told you to believe.

And that made me smile - because blessed are those that have not seen, but still believe. But, then I realized that while I don't believe in the bible as a divine book, and still believe in god - I wasn't sure that where I stood on Jesus being anything more than a historical figure. So, I was a little flummoxed on where to go from there.

But, I figure, that by putting all that out into the universe, it inevitably led to Paddington renewing acquaintances with the forum.

So, it's probably my fault. Sorry.
I think it is a tough argument against the birth of someone name Jesus to a mother named Mary was born [probably] in Bethlehem around 6 to 4 BC. That assuming being born in Bethlehem, shortly after moved to the tiny village of Nazareth. Then after about 30 years this Jesus was likely baptized by the famous (at the time) John the Baptists and then went out on his own preaching "repent the end is near". Most of this preaching was to tiny crowds in tiny villages around Gailee. After a period this Jesus decided to take his act to the big city during the major Passover Festival where he provoked the local authorities enough to be handed to Roman authorities to be dealt with, to be silenced. Rome, via the local governor Pilate could largely care less so Jesus was executed.

While most of the evidence is from bible the same story is told by different people, in different places, at different times, using multiple sources of information. The stories are also not always flattering to the cause, starting with an executed Messiah. One of the sources (Paul) states that he personally met with his closest follower (Peter) and his brother (James). There are a few non-Christian sources that mention Jesus or more likely Christians and late first century, early second century Christian writers that claimed to have spoken with followers of disciples. So, I think the evidence supports a belief that there was the Jesus from my first paragraph. The issue of course is that there are a lot of other things "claimed" where the evidence is far weaker (such as the idea that any of the quotations can possibly be accurate) or where the hurdles are much higher to clear (like the resurrection).

But a historical Jesus, more or less as described in the synoptic gospels and even in John after the prologue seems more likely than not to have existed. And at least Paul and few disciples believed strongly that they interacted with the resurrected Jesus. Believed strong enough to be convincing. Maybe it was real, maybe it was a dream, maybe a hallucination, maybe whatever. Mix that with a few other factors and the religion spread fast enough to have enough followers to be relevant that when Constatine had his dream he made a connection. From there, for better or worse Christianity dominates the Western World. And over time believing in Jesus comes to mean different things to different people. The weird part is that the life and times of Jesus for the are more irrelevant than one would think, and it is mostly about the death and resurrection. That is if you believe in the death and resurrection you go to heaven, if you try to follow Jesus and his actual teachings then "good luck" for many Christians. I guess I'm taking my chances.

As for the Doubting Thomas stuff, that comes from John where John (or whomever in that community wrote it) was throwing Thomas amongothers with communities of competing followers under the bus.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
I'm playing golf against a guy named Jesus this weekend. I'll run this question by him.
Probably a two glove guy, huh?
Yeah and a real teetotaler.
I'm sure there's a glass of wine or two in that round.
I’d just buy some water then ask if he could help a brother out.
 
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
I sure hope that one seeing these threads, even participating in these threads doesn't check a box to condemn them to hell because they no longer have the excuse.
 
Why bump the thread and encourage its proliferation if you don't like it being here at all? :confused:
You just described a whole bunch of threads on this site.

Why is a cut/paste spammer allowed to continually post the exact same thread, after it's been locked?

Why do actual posters, who have been here for years and ACTUALLY contribute to the forums need to defend voicing their opinion?

Yeah, I get it, just ignore it if you don't like it. But that's not what people do. So why should this thread be above criticism?
You make some good points, and I noticed when clicking through to the profile that it appears that the ONLY posts he has are in the "How To Get To Heaven" threads.

Seems like maybe someone looking to solely use the community as a forum to proselytize without participating in any other discussions. I can certainly understand why that might ruffle some feathers.

Then again, we don't know what we don't know. I could see a scenario where Paddington is an alias for a long time active forum participant. That would change the situation, I imagine.
The fact that he's spamming dozens of forums with the same cut and paste posts kind of makes that irrelevant.
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
So I won't find the same posts in the exact same threads on other forums? Hint: I already did. When you haven't actually read something or can't respond to a post, you cut and paste the same canned responses. Because this is spam.
Or simply lazy. Which for a “life’s calling” is unfortunate.
Tell that to Jesus when you meet him
Very Christ like response.
I'm playing golf against a guy named Jesus this weekend. I'll run this question by him.
Probably a two glove guy, huh?
Yeah and a real teetotaler.
I'm sure there's a glass of wine or two in that round.
I’d just buy some water then ask if he could help a brother out.
No outside alcohol at most fine establishments.
 
Okay I am done with the nonsense questions. If you have a real question about theology or Christ or how to get to heaven please let me know. I'm not going to answer nonsense questions anymore.
Have you ever actually read the entire bible? Because mostly you just cut and paste summaries from other people, and when you're asked specifics you cut and paste canned responses.
I have been to the Bible several times and studied it. The only thing I cut and paste is my original post so that I don't have to type all of that out over and over again. I do not cut and paste my responses. But it's starting to seem to me that you're not here to discuss this topic you're here to criticize me.
 
Also, do you think the point of becoming a Christian is to get into heaven, like you're getting a subscription to Amazon Prime? Is loving others and caring for the underprivileged just a means to an end for you? The entire point of this thread seems pretty misguided.
Well then you don't know the scriptures if you think that. I base my beliefs on the scriptures.
 
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
The key to being a truth seeker isn't constantly telling people you're right and they're wrong. Your entire attitude in these threads is completely off-putting, even to those who are already converted. I'd suggest you consider other ways to present Christianity because, IMO, you're hurting rather than helping the cause.
I'm here to teach the word of God. I am here to tell you things that you want to hear. The Bible is the word of God and if your beliefs line up with that then they are correct and if they don't they are false. Love speaks the truth and that is the truth.
 
My responses are not cut and paste. I have a calling on my life to share the gospel with the masses so that they will be without excuse when they stand before the Lord and are Judged on whether the accepted God's gift of Salvation or not. I hope you all do.
I sure hope that one seeing these threads, even participating in these threads doesn't check a box to condemn them to hell because they no longer have the excuse.
I don't want to see anybody go to hell that's why I'm here. But the people that read the gospel and reject it are not going to have any excuse before God
 
This video clip to me is a good reminder for when I think stuff like this is an "argument".


I find I do much better trying to be honest and explaining how I see things - but focused on the person. And not an argument.
 
The key is to be a truth seeker rather than trying to win an argument.
The key to being a truth seeker isn't constantly telling people you're right and they're wrong. Your entire attitude in these threads is completely off-putting, even to those who are already converted. I'd suggest you consider other ways to present Christianity because, IMO, you're hurting rather than helping the cause.
I'm here to teach the word of God. I am here to tell you things that you want to hear. The Bible is the word of God and if your beliefs line up with that then they are correct and if they don't they are false. Love speaks the truth and that is the truth.
how do you know what i want to hear?
 
Also, do you think the point of becoming a Christian is to get into heaven, like you're getting a subscription to Amazon Prime? Is loving others and caring for the underprivileged just a means to an end for you? The entire point of this thread seems pretty misguided.
Well then you don't know the scriptures if you think that. I base my beliefs on the scriptures.
Your threads and scripture have very little in common, illustrated clearly and succinctly in the above post. Biblical teaching isn't about "how to get to heaven". It is, as -fish- points out, focused on loving others (not just wives) as Christ loved the church. It's about coming along side people and meeting where they are. Lifting them up and supporting them in their life's journey. It's about doing your best to live a life that is as Christ like as possible and showing people who God is through you.
 

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