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Even if he didn't relapse it shows he's still in an extremely fragile state. He's taking a "break" right before training camp, that is an awful time to miss. Shocked that some people are blowing this off like it's nothing. Something obviously isn't right with him.
You keep responding as if you are an expert on rehab but it appears to me that you don't know anything. My brother was in rehab 10 years ago and I do know what's involved. He still goes to meetings every day. What's not involved is going away for a month or two randomly to do rehab again just in case. Nobody knows what's going on but the stuff you are posting seems crazy from my experience.
No, it doesn't mean that. But a lot of "normal people" without the resources Gordon has relapse and have trouble holding down jobs, so I'm not sure its relevant.
So people with enough money book rehab for a few weeks any time they feel an urge? Okay.
Yes. Stand by it. What I meant is in regard to his proactively getting support when he needed. To me, in light of what we know, this is GOOD news. I am a buyer of Gordon in my leagues.
Exactly some must think spending half his day sitting around seeking medical attention is gonna help the Browns Maybe its caused from too much TV and/or talking w/o listening Dudes far from a camp body Coach's will already be limiting his reps so any sign of a sprain means R n' R which could jeopardize pre-Season No need to discuss the importance of such games right
Don't get where you're going with this. Is it some type of conspiracy theory angle? I can't fathom what you think is going on here.
Listen I believe VOU was attempting to be sarcastic Sad part is he's actually correct by accident, incident, and/or otherwise Because of the premise "I used to do a little but a little wouldn't do it So a little got more and more" Assuming their not at rock bottom they may still fancy the premise of not having such a need Basically when the user decides its too much they can decide to clean up for a period of time Now if a person has monies I see no reason other than publicity that they would opt for cold turkey alone
Fitting. Some would say Josh Gordon has an 'Appetite For Destruction'.Dismattle said:
His statement says he won't be there for the start of training camp not that he'll miss it. This seems like the reasonable conclusion without more info.
Okay, please let me know where I’m wrong in any of the posts. I honestly find people very stupid or misinformed in here if they believe that after a couple of years into sobriety that Gordon needs two months to go back into rehab for no reason, it’s just part of normal rehab. He can go to meetings nearly every day and he has 7 months away from football to do anything he wants. The idea that former addicts can’t function in that environment without two months off after OTAs makes no sense to me. I’m sure the team would provide in with time during the day to go to meetings or whatever he needs to do.
Thanks @Dismattle i have to be honest in I don't know any more than you guys. My gut says this is not good though. At least not good for Gordon on the field. It's like a good thing for Gordon the human, which is of course most important, as it's showing he's serious about taking care of himself. It does look like trade talk is in the air. But everything else I'm hearing is Gordon's looking great. Addiction stuff is super tough. Bottom line is I'm worried about a 5 on a scale of 1 (not worried) to 10 (panic). Hoping for the best for him and hoping we know more soon.
Really sucks because he seems like a good person. All his teammates love him and I’ve never heard any stories of him being a jerk.
My brother is a good person. Until he's back on the junk. Can't depend on him to greet the sunrise from day to day. Only an insane person would expect more..For a hobby that exceedingly crunches numbers it's fascinating to me that people rely on the most unreliable facet of our society.
Partying and doing drugs with Johnny manziel while abandoning his baby and his baby mother is a good person? He got thrown in jail for not taking a paternity test that proved that he was the father of a child. While the mother of his child was on and off welfare raising his kid--he was traveling around partying with Manziel. It certainly sounds like he has turned his life around--and I'm rooting for him big time--but let's not paint him like he's some saint. This guy has hurt many people besides himself with his addiction issues. If this guy needs to miss camp or miss a season to get himself right--good lord let it happen.
I knew about hanging with Manziel but had no idea about the other stuff. SoulFly must have influenced me into thinking he was an angel. I stand corrected.
“Thrown in jail” is a bit hyperbolic as that never happened but yeah not the best of looks for him. Now it appears he’s a big part of his daughter’s life which is great to see.
Referencing the aspect of addiction in the evaluation of Gordon. All the number crunching in the world can’t predict when and where his demons will reappear. I suppose his value is somewhat of calculated risk but I don’t know how one can sufficiently make that calculation
You are right---he never got thrown in jail. He basically abandoned his daughter and his babys mother and ignored court orders for paternity tests until a court put out a warrant for his arrest for not complying and taking a paternity test. He basically only became involved in the life of his daughter and his babys mother because a court effectively forced him to not ignore the issue. If he's a big part of his daughters life now-then god bless the entire situation. You can only move forward in life--so hopefully he's done so. With that said--I do think that there are a lot of people (especially in the fantasy community) that think that Gordon is a great player that is just a victim of an overly harsh NFL substance abuse policy. While the NFL substance abuse policy might be flawed or hypocritical--I assure you that Gordons past decision making and actions are exponentially more flawed than the NFL's policy. He might be a good person now--but he wasn't a good person then. I have a sister that nearly died from substance abuse issues. Thank god she's better now and she's an amazingly different and better person now versus what she was back then. She gives me hope that Gordon can over come this--but it's not easy--and the odds of relapsing are exceptionally high (no pun intended).
(fwiw) It was also reported that JG was unaware of such an order Had the woman attempted discussion on the subject prior to the order Was anyone witness to said discussion? The bigger question for JG being if he, in fact, knew his status at the time? Hard to find much clarity without knowing the actual circumstance No news is good news so I would figure the child is both loved and being cared for (might be time to move on)
A dude in the middle of a paternity battle with a legal team was completely unaware of numerous court orders--but somehow became instantly aware of his obligations the moment the court got fed up with his antics and issued an arrest warrant? If you believe that--then so be it. I know how addicts act--and they all play dumb as an excuse. They blame situations more than they blame themselves. I fully believe that he was absolutely aware of his situation but actively chose to ignore it. The only reason why he would claim he was unaware is so that he doesn't look like the garbage human being he was at that point of his life. If things have changed and he's clean and is actively involved in the lives of his family in a positive manner--that's awesome. I'm truly hoping and praying for him and a postive result. I however make no excuses for addicts during their addiction phase. It does me no favors and it certainly does them no favors.
I really wasn't attempting to make excuses in the fact that his attorney stated that JG was unaware of any court order testing Regardless of any unproven information that anyone cares to believe is quite irrelevant at this time JG needs to maintain focus on today because he cannot change the past nor should he be overly concerned with his future which he has limited control over Obviously, some may stick their nose in the air caring very little to give the man the time of day It's funny when these folks point though because of all the fingers pointing back at themselves
