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And yet the 13-3 Favre Packers are 5-6. As of now, at best, the decision to ditch Favre was poorly timed.Long-term obviously Rodgers looks promising.Anthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:Rodgers has completed 63.5% of his passes, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 90+ QB rating. Considering he has started a grand total of 11 games in his entire career, I'd say that is pretty damn impressive.
Get well soon, my sons and I had something like that last year that gave me nightmares.
One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
Exactly. I don't think anyone was expecting Rodgers to be Favre. Oh, except those that can't accept that he's gone.He's a first year starter. Rodger has played fine this season. I'm comfortable with the future. As McCarthy said after the game:
Favre #1 in the NFL for wins by a QB.Must all be Rodgers huh?Favre never had a bad record did he?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:Rodgers has completed 63.5% of his passes, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 90+ QB rating. Considering he has started a grand total of 11 games in his entire career, I'd say that is pretty damn impressive.
That is why it was a mistake for TT to make the decison to move on without Favre this year when he could have waited at least one more year to turn things over to Rodgers.
so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
If you're not interested in discussing Favre's exit from GB, probably a bad thread to click. Here's some forum tips, when you see the title "How's the Packer decision to go with Rodgers looking now?" it is a thread about a) packers b) Favre c) Rodgers. If you are not interested in any of those, you can avoid reading about it by not clicking threads with that title. It takes awhile to get the hang of this forum stuff, but once you master it, you'll have a lot more fun. Good luck!
Well you finally said something that is worthy and correct in these forums.But as a Viking fan why would you be pleased with Rodgers play? I mean as a Packer fan, I'm pleased with Childress' progress and hope he's rewarded with a long extension, but Rodgers has been playing better and is much better than any Viking QB on their roster.So I'm kinda shuked at your statement.ScottyFargo said:
Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
ok?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:Rodgers has completed 63.5% of his passes, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 90+ QB rating. Considering he has started a grand total of 11 games in his entire career, I'd say that is pretty damn impressive.
I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
As a Packer fan it isn't ok to be 5-6 after a 13-3 season with one of the youngest teams in the NFL.ok?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:Rodgers has completed 63.5% of his passes, 17 TDs, 9 INTs, 90+ QB rating. Considering he has started a grand total of 11 games in his entire career, I'd say that is pretty damn impressive.
Isn't this exactly what everyone blamed ol #4 for when they missed the big game by one last year. I recall the defense could not stop the giants and the running game did not exist.It is a team and #4 just made the team better. Rodger could in the future but it's apparent he will not this year.
Well, since the best way to stop a good offense is to keep them off them field, basically.... yes.
You are correct, because we know by listening to all you Favre lovers here, that he would have in fact been able to rush and get some pressure on Brees, and not only that, but he would have in fact been able to shut down Lance Moore, Jeremy Shockey and Marques Colston and stop the running game of the Saints as well. Brees wouldn't have had a chance had Favre been there.I really miss that guy.And yet the 13-3 Favre Packers are 5-6. As of now, at best, the decision to ditch Favre was poorly timed.Long-term obviously Rodgers looks promising.Anthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:
I just wrote what Clayton stated on ESPN. You may want to take issue with Colin Cowherd however, he stated this morning that great QBs(Favre) make the entire team better including the defense. You can contact him at ESPN too.
I don't expect you to be able to explain yourself. You spit out ######ed team stats to prove a horrible point about an individual, and that's as far as you go. Over and over and over again. You should pick up something easier, like tennis.I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
And you come in here fishing all the time. Do you or don't you acknowledge that one of the key measuring points to a QBs career is their winning percentage.I don't expect you to be able to explain yourself. You spit out ######ed team stats to prove a horrible point about an individual, and that's as far as you go. Over and over and over again. You should pick up something easier, like tennis.I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
Well? Answer the question please.I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
You gonna answer my question or not?And you come in here fishing all the time. Do you or don't you acknowledge that one of the key measuring points to a QBs career is their winning percentage.I don't expect you to be able to explain yourself. You spit out ######ed team stats to prove a horrible point about an individual, and that's as far as you go. Over and over and over again. You should pick up something easier, like tennis.I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
You see, I understand football. I understand things can change in a minutes notice in the NFL. I understand it's a TEAM game, and not one player makes or breaks a team. I understand last year was last year and this year things are different. I understand injuries are a part of the game. I understand there's more parity in the NFL this year than in any other year.Someday, with a little more knowledge, maybe you will too.As a Packer fan it isn't ok to be 5-6 after a 13-3 season with one of the youngest teams in the NFL.ok?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:
You gonna answer my question or not?And you come in here fishing all the time. Do you or don't you acknowledge that one of the key measuring points to a QBs career is their winning percentage.I don't expect you to be able to explain yourself. You spit out ######ed team stats to prove a horrible point about an individual, and that's as far as you go. Over and over and over again. You should pick up something easier, like tennis.I wouldn't expect you to understand.Well, either you implied it or you had no point. Which is it?I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
So obviously you agree with them, or you don't have a point. So tell me how a great QB makes a Defense better. I'll hang up and listen.
If you understand football you should know the role the QB plays on the team and the impact they can have on everything. Leadership, how they affect games plans for the team and the opposing team, etc. Colin Cowherd was talking about the great QBs affect the entire team and the impact Favre has had with the Jets. I guess he doesn't know anything about football either.You see, I understand football. I understand things can change in a minutes notice in the NFL. I understand it's a TEAM game, and not one player makes or breaks a team. I understand last year was last year and this year things are different. I understand injuries are a part of the game. I understand there's more parity in the NFL this year than in any other year.Someday, with a little more knowledge, maybe you will too.As a Packer fan it isn't ok to be 5-6 after a 13-3 season with one of the youngest teams in the NFL.ok?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:
Wow I never thought of that. Thx. My problem is that I have the parenting gene and when I see a bunch of 6 year olds fighting over who has the better toy I just can't stop myself from trying to break it up. It's a curse.
If you need it explained to you then you just don't know much about football. Take care.So obviously you agree with them, or you don't have a point. So tell me how a great QB makes a Defense better. I'll hang up and listen.
Green Bay won the time of possession battle last night, especially in the first half. Their defense gave up huge plays that took just a little time off the clock. I've generally stayed out of this thread due to the emotion on both sides that has been dictating responses. The pendulum swings pretty hard each way after each win and loss. In a shootout in hostile territory against a crowd that hasn't seen their team play in 41 days you need to be perfect. Brees was pretty much that, Rodgers wasn't. The defense played poorly and that was the main reason they lost last night. Looking into my crystal ball, I can see the DC Bob Sanders fired with Winston Moss (LB Coach/Assitant HC) replacing him. You look at teams that outscheme you on defense (Miami, NYG, NE) and they seem to make life more difficult than the meat and potatoes match-up coaches like Sanders, where you are relying nearly solely on talent and winning 1-1 battles. Their DL isn't that talented, so you need to outscheme the other team, which I don't think Sanders can do, hence they need a change.
It's really weird that the Packers have a better QB, better coach, and younger team that finished last year so much more promising than the Vikings, who missed the playoffs, and yet the Packers have a worse record right now. It sure is strange how an O-line, D-line, D-Backs, running game can fall off the map the way the Packers did between this year and last. I thought younger players were supposed to improve?I noticed that Rodgers was already rewarded with an extension, I guess I will look forward to more games like last night through 2014! I hope that doesn't shuke you any more than you are already shuked.
W/L for a QB are like W/L for a Pitcher: you still need a defense (football) and an offense (baseball)I didn't write that. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that ONE of the ways they are measured is won-loss records. Nice try.Now Colin Cowherd is talking about how important great QBs are and how they affect every aspect of a team including confidence and overall play including the defense.so the 2008 Kerry Collins (10-1) is better than Peyton Manning (7-4) or Brett Favre (8-3) or Kurt Warner (7-4) then ?One of the key measures for quarterbacks is won-loss records. That does have something to do with Favre and Rodgers.
2008 Favre is 8-3 and Rodgers is 5-6. That is a fact.
The odds of Favre completely blowing the last five weeks of this season for the Jets are pretty slim though, so the odds are the Jets are going to make it into the overall "win" column thanks to the trade. Is it win/win if the Pack get a draft pick should the Jets make it into the Playoffs? Sorta...but the way I see it the Jets odds of making that Superbowl run are much greater with Favre than without, and he's really been a huge part of turning that team around this year.
I would agree with this. There is no doubt in my mind that, from what we've seen of the two so far, Favre is the better QB. I've been very impressed with how he has progressed without most of training camp and adapting to a new system. I think it was a great move for the Jets, especially when it comes time to sell luxury boxes for their new stadium. I think it could also be a very good move for the Packers. If Rodgers improves with time and IF the Packers knew they wouldn't win a superbowl this year with Favre (which I think is unknowable) then they made the always difficult transition between two starting QBs pretty painlessly and got a nice draft pick as a bonus.
Favre #1 in the NFL for INTs.Favre #1 in the NFL for wins by a QB.Must all be Rodgers huh?Favre never had a bad record did he?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:
Yes he is.....now lets mention the others.. Prior to this season...Started 253 consecutive games (275 including playoffs), the Packers franchise record, longest stretch ever by an NFL quarterback, and league's second-longest streak ever recorded among all positionsHolds virtually every significant NFL career passing record, including touchdown passes (442), completions (5,377), attempts (8,758) and yards (61,655), plus most wins (160) as a starting QB.Favre #1 in the NFL for INTs.Favre #1 in the NFL for wins by a QB.Must all be Rodgers huh?Favre never had a bad record did he?Phase of the Game said:5-6 won loss record so farAnthony Borbely said:He really did stink it up last night. It's shameful that the Packers only scored 29 points.Chachi said:
He also holds the records for most INTs, most losses, and probably most sacks. Most of these records came as a result of him playing a huge number of games, not because he performed at a high level the entire time. There's a reason Favre rarely gets mentioned in the "who's the best QB of all time?" discussion.
You may want to look up how many Pro Bowls and MVPs he has too.
