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HS girls stage a walkout as trans teen uses girls bathroom (1 Viewer)

Should a HS student that identifies as trangender be allowed to use the locker room of the gender th


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It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10
Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

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Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?
Sort of. The ruling was that Title IX wouldn't be the winner - an equal protection argument would have to win the day in this case. Regardless, that's what appeals are for - and the U.S. government has taken a pretty strong stance in this case in favor of the kid using the male bathroom.

 
I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Why not? If a child can make the decision to change their gender, surely they can consent to sex, right?
Why would that be the case? I look forward to seeing you show your work.
I assume that body mutilation and consent to sex are within the same tier of life decisions that a child can make. If you're telling me that you think a kid should be able to permanently disfigure his or her body but can't consent to sex, that seems a little backwards to me.
What body mutilation?

 
I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.
No, the surgery can't happen until age 18. Is that what you think is going on here? Kid can't consent to sex or genital gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.

 
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I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.
No, the surgery can't happen until age 18. Is that what you think is going on here? Kid can't consent to sex or genital gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.
Hormone therapy is pretty significant in and of itself.

And why can't the surgery happen until 18? Is that a law or an AMA guideline? I'd also say that even 18 seems too young - alcohol is forbidden, but a surgery to forever alter your sex organs is fine.

 
It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10
Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link
Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?
Sort of. The ruling was that Title IX wouldn't be the winner - an equal protection argument would have to win the day in this case. Regardless, that's what appeals are for - and the U.S. government has taken a pretty strong stance in this case in favor of the kid using the male bathroom.
I'm not a lawyer and obviously can't interpret the law like one, but this would appear from some initial reading that a federal judge has put a preliminary roadblock in place here.

 
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I would consider any alteration of body chemistry as body mutilation as it can lead to sterilization.
Do you consider taking antidepressants to be body mutilation?
I think there any many arguments that could be made against antidepressants. But to my knowledge, they don't prolong puberty or force irreversible changes to a male / female endocrine system.

I guess I would veer towards no unless there was scientific evidence to suggest these pills eventually warp a person's mind to aggression, dementia, etc.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.

 
I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.
No, the surgery can't happen until age 18. Is that what you think is going on here? Kid can't consent to sex or genital gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.
Hormone therapy is pretty significant in and of itself.

And why can't the surgery happen until 18? Is that a law or an AMA guideline? I'd also say that even 18 seems too young - alcohol is forbidden, but a surgery to forever alter your sex organs is fine.
Because it isn't an emergency and the kid can't consent to the surgery. It's a guideline, but violating it would be clear malpractice. I'm not aware of anyone doing gender reassignment surgeries on anyone under 18.

 
I'm not trying to single anybody out. Each person has the right to do whatever they want with their life. But there are already many precedents of certain kids with certain disorders being separated from the other children and I think this gets filed the same way.

We're sorry you're schizophrenic, bipolar, transgender, etc. We will do our best to accommodate you as long as it doesn't become a distraction to other students.

 
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Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.

 
It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10
Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link
Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?
Sort of. The ruling was that Title IX wouldn't be the winner - an equal protection argument would have to win the day in this case. Regardless, that's what appeals are for - and the U.S. government has taken a pretty strong stance in this case in favor of the kid using the male bathroom.
I'm not a lawyer and obviously can't interpret the law like one, but this would appear from some initial reading that a federal judge has put a preliminary roadblock in place here.
A federal judge has ruled against a plaintiff on part of a lawsuit. No determination on whether the practice is discriminatory happened in this case yet. And even when it does - on either side - it'll be appealed. This one may well go to the SCOTUS.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.

 
It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10
Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link
Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?
Sort of. The ruling was that Title IX wouldn't be the winner - an equal protection argument would have to win the day in this case. Regardless, that's what appeals are for - and the U.S. government has taken a pretty strong stance in this case in favor of the kid using the male bathroom.
I'm not a lawyer and obviously can't interpret the law like one, but this would appear from some initial reading that a federal judge has put a preliminary roadblock in place here.
A federal judge has ruled against a plaintiff on part of a lawsuit. No determination on whether the practice is discriminatory happened in this case yet. And even when it does - on either side - it'll be appealed. This one may well go to the SCOTUS.
Federal education authorities, staking out their firmest position yet on an increasingly contentious issue, found Monday that an Illinois school district violated anti-discrimination laws when it did not allow a transgender student who identifies as a girl and participates on a girls’ sports team to change and shower in the girls’ locker room without restrictions.
 
I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.
No, the surgery can't happen until age 18. Is that what you think is going on here? Kid can't consent to sex or genital gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.
Hormone therapy is pretty significant in and of itself.

And why can't the surgery happen until 18? Is that a law or an AMA guideline? I'd also say that even 18 seems too young - alcohol is forbidden, but a surgery to forever alter your sex organs is fine.
Because it isn't an emergency and the kid can't consent to the surgery. It's a guideline, but violating it would be clear malpractice. I'm not aware of anyone doing gender reassignment surgeries on anyone under 18.
Parents can consent to any other surgery I can think of on behalf of their children, why not this one?

 
Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.
Why? Is there some female vision magnet attached to male genitalia? Are girls incapable of not looking at this kid's genitals?

 
It's a public vote. In a few years, we can look back and see if anyone's embarrassed about which side of this vote he or she was on. What do you say?

vs.

sublimeone, Parrothead, fantasycurse42, Bogeys, FUBAR, HomerSimpson, Don't Noonan, tonydead, PlasmaDogPlasma, Walking Boot, avoiding injuries, Charlie Steiner, xyrza, AAABatteries, FiredMartz, The General, FattyVM, GoFishTN,shady inc, MaxThreshold, Mister CIA, WhatDoIKnow, SacramentoBob, RBM,scoobus, Hang 10, bigmarc27, Porkchop Express, Mad Cow, jjwc316, BYRK75!,Silver Surfer, Widbil83, Ditka Butkus, Boston, bcat01, Football Menace, jonessed,Courtjester, bud29, Spin, Clown Car, MikeIke, ghostguy123, TheFly06, Officer Pete Malloy, The Gator, fruity pebbles, ditka311, Hagger, ThaPenguin, bucksoh,squidrope, Cjw_55106, IvanKaramazov, Ned, Blick, TPW, SteevieG, pantagrapher,by_the_sea_wannabe, Battles, top dog, saintsfan, Wildcat, JohnnyU, LAUNCH,Mr. Ected, Coeur de Lion, Socrates11, Foosball God, Blind Tiger, Pantherz,sharptongued1, Steeler, Gadabout, Buckychudd, Sand, GOB, renesauz, Enderdog,-jb-, Statcruncher, Tackling Dummies, Chef Boyardee, Marauder, Meatwad Reloaded, Ned Ryerson, tuffnutt, coyote5, HughHoney, zeamax, whiskey7, Harry Manback, oso diablo, sn0mm1s, Galileo, Gawain, 32 Counter Pass,Underachievers, Pumpnick, Super King, Hot Diggity Dog, chauncey, GilbertGrape,Insein, Pipes, Kev4029, bananafish, tdoss, Sabertooth, Steelers4Life, Rick James,bucs4life_99, Emerson Biggens, T J, tom22406, R.I.P., jade, Hov34, Frostillicus,Ksquared, dparker713, Mr. Soup Nazi, badgerfan80, hxperson, Fresh Prince of Bel Nor, Eminence, SkyRattlers, Voice Of Reason, tfreiboth, Pots, CommisR, glumpy,Daywalker, FBG26, Deranged Hermit, tommyboy, Native, shuke, GrandpaRox,SHIZNITTTT, bcdjr1, fantasysavant, rwebb18, johnadams, Nigel, Gottabesweet,Godsbrother, CowboysFromHell, Nugget, silentmark, Kid_kong, encaitar, VA703,Cliff Clavin, doowain, zoonation, bearsfan1001, abbottjamesr, pyite76, bizkliz,Redwes25, zed2283, Shane Falco, Tiger Fan, Cawdor, Bobcat10
Meantime, here's the position of the United States on the appeal:

Link
Let the record show, I will not be embarrassed.

Also, isn't this case still ongoing and wasn't title ix being dismissed speaking against this person's rights to use the male bathroom?
Sort of. The ruling was that Title IX wouldn't be the winner - an equal protection argument would have to win the day in this case. Regardless, that's what appeals are for - and the U.S. government has taken a pretty strong stance in this case in favor of the kid using the male bathroom.
I'm not a lawyer and obviously can't interpret the law like one, but this would appear from some initial reading that a federal judge has put a preliminary roadblock in place here.
A federal judge has ruled against a plaintiff on part of a lawsuit. No determination on whether the practice is discriminatory happened in this case yet. And even when it does - on either side - it'll be appealed. This one may well go to the SCOTUS.
Federal education authorities, staking out their firmest position yet on an increasingly contentious issue, found Monday that an Illinois school district violated anti-discrimination laws when it did not allow a transgender student who identifies as a girl and participates on a girls’ sports team to change and shower in the girls’ locker room without restrictions.
You're talking about a different suit.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.

 
I also don't understand the special privileges this mental illness is receiving. A kid has ADHD, anger problems, learning disabilities, and it's OK to put them into special classes away from the other kids.

Sally wants to have a penis and we rush to accommodate her.
No, the surgery can't happen until age 18. Is that what you think is going on here? Kid can't consent to sex or genital gender reassignment surgery until adulthood.
Hormone therapy is pretty significant in and of itself.

And why can't the surgery happen until 18? Is that a law or an AMA guideline? I'd also say that even 18 seems too young - alcohol is forbidden, but a surgery to forever alter your sex organs is fine.
Because it isn't an emergency and the kid can't consent to the surgery. It's a guideline, but violating it would be clear malpractice. I'm not aware of anyone doing gender reassignment surgeries on anyone under 18.
Parents can consent to any other surgery I can think of on behalf of their children, why not this one?
I think there are some others, but it's because of the (mostly) irreversible nature of the surgery, and that it's not an emergency situation, and to guard against Munchausen by proxy issues.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.

 
Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.
Why? Is there some female vision magnet attached to male genitalia? Are girls incapable of not looking at this kid's genitals?
How stupid is this. What if he wants to look at theirs? And you think girls now have to go through the process of not looking at this kid entirely? Are they looking at the ceiling and the walls and the locker so as to not see what they don't want to see? The transgender aspect becomes ridiculous in that scenario, you might as well get rid of that fig leaf altogether and just try to argue why a man shouldn't be allowed to walk into any woman's bathroom?

 
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Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?

 
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Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
I don't know Ford, maybe think why there is a separation between a men's and women's lockerroom and start there.

 
Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.
Why? Is there some female vision magnet attached to male genitalia? Are girls incapable of not looking at this kid's genitals?
How stupid is this. What if he wants to look at theirs? Amd ou think girls now have to go through the process of not looking at this kid entirely? Are they looking at the ceiling and the walls and the locker so as to not see what they don't want to see? The transgender aspect becomes ridiculous in that scenario, you might as well get rid of that fig leaf altogether and just try to argue why a man shouldn't be allowed to walk into any woman's bathroom?
Why would she want to look at theirs?

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
I don't know Ford, maybe think why there is a separation between a men's and women's lockerroom and start there.
I'm aware of why there's usually a separation. It doesn't deal with this issue. And it certainly doesn't create any rights that are being violated here.

 
Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.
Why? Is there some female vision magnet attached to male genitalia? Are girls incapable of not looking at this kid's genitals?
How stupid is this. What if he wants to look at theirs? And you think girls now have to go through the process of not looking at this kid entirely? Are they looking at the ceiling and the walls and the locker so as to not see what they don't want to see? The transgender aspect becomes ridiculous in that scenario, you might as well get rid of that fig leaf altogether and just try to argue why a man shouldn't be allowed to walk into any woman's bathroom?
Why would she want to look at theirs?
Oh I see, he - transgender guy - can't look at theirs, right? Or can he?

As for the girls, they're children. Children. They don't have to be put in that situation.

 
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Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.

Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?

 
Another one in Chicago, student being allowed to use the locker room.

https://www.yahoo.com/health/illinois-school-district-must-give-locker-room-123444494.html

Like to know how the girls in that school feel about it.
One judge to a whole district: your daughters have to look at male genitalia in the locker room and shower, whether you or they like it or not.

And the people have no say on it either, not the school board, not the PTA, not the students, not the parents, not the legislature.
Why? Is there some female vision magnet attached to male genitalia? Are girls incapable of not looking at this kid's genitals?
That's an argument in favor of unisex bathrooms, not for a trans person to be able to use the bathroom of their choice.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.

Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.

 
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Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
I don't know Ford, maybe think why there is a separation between a men's and women's lockerroom and start there.
I'm aware of why there's usually a separation. It doesn't deal with this issue. And it certainly doesn't create any rights that are being violated here.
The problem in my opinion is that this person isn't a male or a female. They are essentially becoming a 3rd gender. They truly don't belong in ether lockeroom and watching the video of this young person makes it quite clear.

You can't just shove a round peg through a square he because it's most convenient. I get it and I feel for the kid if he really believes he's a girl but unfortunately he's NOT a girl. He has no right to that lockeroom. I hope that society becomes progressive enough to allow those who are gender confused to use whichever bathroom they'd like but this person is appropriately a transgender.

When they undergo this change, they are essentially relinquishing their rights as a man. I personally don't think it makes them a woman either. I'm sure they'd be quite comfortably in a lockeroom full of transgenders but unfortunate for them they are the exception and not the rule.

 
Oh I see, he - transgender guy - can't look at theirs, right? Or can he?

As for the girls, they're children. Children. They don't have to be put in that situation.
What situation?
The situation you described, a child being forced to be in the vicinity of a child of the opposite sex getting undressed. How old do you expect children to start processing this appropriately?

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.

Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Has SCOTUS ever made the distinction between gender and sex, specifically as relates to EP or SDP?

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
What if it's 2 children? In your opinion, do the children have the right to engage with each other?

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.
Your concept of gender and mine have a pretty significant series of differences, I think.And "a child has the right to be free of being sexually intimidated" is either irrelevant or just patently false. No one has the actual right to not feel intimidated.

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.
Your concept of gender and mine have a pretty significant series of differences, I think.And "a child has the right to be free of being sexually intimidated" is either irrelevant or just patently false. No one has the actual right to not feel intimidated.
Do you want to stand on that, counselor?

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.
Your concept of gender and mine have a pretty significant series of differences, I think.And "a child has the right to be free of being sexually intimidated" is either irrelevant or just patently false. No one has the actual right to not feel intimidated.
Doubt there's any municipality in the country where assault isn't a crime in some form or another.

 
You are one tenacious dude Henry. I don't know what kind of law you practice but if I ever get in trouble in LA I'm looking you up.

:cheers:

 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.
Your concept of gender and mine have a pretty significant series of differences, I think.And "a child has the right to be free of being sexually intimidated" is either irrelevant or just patently false. No one has the actual right to not feel intimidated.
Doubt there's any municipality in the country where assault isn't a crime in some form or another.
Pretty sure that requires intent, which makes it irrelevant to this discussion. Hence the options in my statement.

 
We have a right not to have someone intimidate us in specific ways. We do NOT have the right not to feel intimidated. If having a black person in your country club intimidates you, tough ####. If seeing a person who's transgender intimidates you, tough ####.

 
If every child has the right to free from sexual intimidation then we're screwed. You're assuming the only form of "sexual intimidation" stems from seeing a disparate set of genitals (which is unlikely to happen, but which is pretty much irrelevant anyway).

This is Gavin Grimm. Are you honestly arguing that no female students will feel intimidated if he's forced to use the girl's bathroom?

 
You are one tenacious dude Henry. I don't know what kind of law you practice but if I ever get in trouble in LA I'm looking you up.

:cheers:
Mostly civil rights against employers and state actors these days. As much personal injury as I can get my hands on to relax my brain.
 
We have a right not to have someone intimidate us in specific ways. We do NOT have the right not to feel intimidated. If having a black person in your country club intimidates you, tough ####. If seeing a person who's transgender intimidates you, tough ####.
Apples to oranges comparing a race to a mental disorder, imo.

 
If every child has the right to free from sexual intimidation then we're screwed. You're assuming the only form of "sexual intimidation" stems from seeing a disparate set of genitals (which is unlikely to happen, but which is pretty much irrelevant anyway).

This is Gavin Grimm. Are you honestly arguing that no female students will feel intimidated if he's forced to use the girl's bathroom?
No, no. He has female genitalia, so no worries.
 
Henry, I've come across some arguments advocating for the sexual rights of children, to among other things, have the right to engage in sexual activities with adults. What's your stance on this? I assume you're not an advocate of this sort of thing but I'm just curious if you have a unique take on this as well.
Children aren't the ones engaging in criminal activity when that happens. It's the adults who don't have the right to engage in that activity.
It's the children making the demands with regard to the bathrooms.

And there are adults who are maintaining they do have that right.

We've got lawyers who have become unpinned from reality and who makes the laws.
The fact that a child can't consent to certain acts doesn't mean a child doesn't have any rights.
Which rights must be enforced by parents acting on their behalf. Which obviously is circular and with the example in the OP I think we know the horrible lengths that logic can be taken.

- Also the other children have rights as well.
Oh, good to be back here. Please lay out the rights that are being violated, as specifically as you're able.
Sure, but what is the primary right first, just so I know what board we're leaping off of? Is it the right to piss in whatever stall you should so choose as provided in the US Constitution?
The right I'm talking about? Equal rights based on gender, which includes gender identity. It's the right to have a state actor treat you as the gender you live as, with all the privileges and responsibilities that go along with that.Including, in G.G.'s case, the fact that his state issued identification says male and they're denying him the right to use the boys' room.

Now, what right do the other people have that you're talking about?
Gender identity is meaningless without what that identity is for. We're talking about the action of urinating and getting undressed. Every transgender child has a place to undress and take a leak. Nothing is being denied them. A child has a right to be free of being sexually intimidated, and yes a boy at that age in a state of undress is extremely sexually intimidating to a young girl. A man walks into a woman's bathroom and starts undressing it's assault. He gets hauled away to jail. For a child it's even worse.
Your concept of gender and mine have a pretty significant series of differences, I think.And "a child has the right to be free of being sexually intimidated" is either irrelevant or just patently false. No one has the actual right to not feel intimidated.
Doubt there's any municipality in the country where assault isn't a crime in some form or another.
Pretty sure that requires intent, which makes it irrelevant to this discussion. Hence the options in my statement.
Assault/battery depends on the victim's sensibilities, you know that.

 
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