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(HULK)'s RB Tiers (1 Viewer)

Tier 5 - The RBBC Back

This tier is the true value at running back. You're probably scratching your head right now wondering why I just said I like RBBCs, since they're pretty much universally hated by fantasy owners. I like them because you can draft them later. And they may take over a full time role if things shake out in the right way. I personally like to wait on my RB 3 until this tier is coming up, rather than drafting 3 RBs in my first 3 or 4 picks. You can usually grab one of these guys in round 5/6, and it will be a much better value for you if you do.

22 - Warrick Dunn

23 - Julius Jones

24 - DeShaun Foster

25 - Joseph Addia

26 - Chris Brown

27 - Mike Bell

28 - Thomas Jones

29 - Cederic Benson

30 - Tatum Bell

31 - Lendale White

32 - Domanic Rhodes

33 - DeAngelo Williams

34 - Marion Barber III

35 - TJ Duckett
Very interesting stuff, (HULK).I noticed that your RBBC guys have a serpentine look to them. That is, the 1st and the 14th are from the Falcons, the 2nd and the 13th are from the Cowboys, etc. Was that intentional, and if so why did you rank the teams in this order?
Ooh, good point. And the ranking seems to be done by the likelihood they are to play. For example, we know Dunn will get many more carries than Duckett, but Jones vs. Benson seems pretty up in the air. I like the observation, and I like the ranking. A lot.Good job Hulk.

 
Well done - though provoking list to be sure. I agree with many of your tiers. May not be down so much on Tiki, and still leaning towards drafting LJ #1 (won the SB for me last year, feel I owe it to him), but otherwise rankings are similar. I like the do not draft list as well.
I don't blame you. He put up arguable one of the best 1/2 seasons ever.I still think that 2 months from now the term "The Herman Edwards Effect" will be in common usage.
Curtis Martin did lead the league in rushing 2 seasons ago, though, under Herm Edwards. Do you think this year's Chiefs line is better or worse than was the Jets two seasons ago?I like your rankings. I agree wholeheartedly with most of them.
I felt like Curtis did that DESPITE of Herm. Herm doesn't take enough chances to let a guy like LJ reach his full fantasy potential. LJ will get his rush yards still, but I see his receiving yards taking a big hit. I also see the Chiefs in the redzone less.One of my closest friends is a die hard Jets fan. I have enjoyed laughing at him as Herm runs on 3rd down to set up the kick instead of attempting to sustain the drive. Some may agree with his conservative philosophy, but I don't think he's that great of a coach. His win record isn't even above .500.
Paul Hackett. No QB. That's the reason. It's really hard to pass on 3rd downs when your QB is a pile of poo. From everything I've read here in KC, Herm's main philosophy change will be to run out the clock at the end of the game when they are winning. But Solari is running the offense, who's been our OLC for the last 9yrs. I know people were crying about the article talking about the 4min drill. But that's end game, not the entire game. He will pass on 3rd downs. Just not at the end of the game. We already saw it last week in HOU, when Green hit Kennison on 3rd and 8. It wasn't the end of the game, so they weren't in 4min drill mode. They went for the first down.
 
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Hey Hulk, Two part question - Name the highest ranked guy you have that you are concerned most about reaching your projection, and then tell us which RB you have ranked low that you feel has a shot at finishing much higher and why.TIA
Great question H.K. I'd be interested in hearing Hulk's answer to that as well. Great insight Hulk, It's really nice to hear someone elses insight to different players. Nobody is going to agree with somebody elses list 100% but the value is knowing the reason someone puts a player in a certain teir rather than the order itself. Great Job Hulk!! :banned:
 
Tier 5 - The RBBC Back

This tier is the true value at running back. You're probably scratching your head right now wondering why I just said I like RBBCs, since they're pretty much universally hated by fantasy owners. I like them because you can draft them later. And they may take over a full time role if things shake out in the right way. I personally like to wait on my RB 3 until this tier is coming up, rather than drafting 3 RBs in my first 3 or 4 picks. You can usually grab one of these guys in round 5/6, and it will be a much better value for you if you do.

22 - Warrick Dunn

23 - Julius Jones

24 - DeShaun Foster

25 - Joseph Addia

26 - Chris Brown

27 - Mike Bell

28 - Thomas Jones

29 - Cederic Benson

30 - Tatum Bell

31 - Lendale White

32 - Domanic Rhodes

33 - DeAngelo Williams

34 - Marion Barber III

35 - TJ Duckett
Very interesting stuff, (HULK).I noticed that your RBBC guys have a serpentine look to them. That is, the 1st and the 14th are from the Falcons, the 2nd and the 13th are from the Cowboys, etc. Was that intentional, and if so why did you rank the teams in this order?
I noticed that, too. I like it a lot. However, I disagree with a few of the rankings. I'd drop Jones (move Barber up). In fact, my rankings for that area would be:

1. Dunn

2. Foster

3. Brown

4. J. Jones

5. T. Jones

6. Addai

Dunn is the most proven. Foster will be the starter, not in a RBBC, unless he gets hurt (See S. Davis last season). Thus, he has to be second here. Brown will also be the starter and L. White is a cancer (his own teammates hate him). Parcells loves Barber and Parcells has stated they'll be in a "multi-back" rotation (RBBC). In fact, I might drop J. Jones below T. Jones. T. Jones will either be the starter or he won't (Chicago doesn't do RBBC, either). Addai is currently #2, but could move up.

I'd rank the rest in inverse order of the top 6 guys, just like Hulk did.

 
Nice work Hulk.

Not that any of the Packer RB's should be drafted in the first 8 rounds, but an article in the Green Bay Paper stated the coaching staff didn't like the way ANY of the RB's were running except for A.Green who recently came back. Gado, Najeh Dumpinport, Herron were all criticized for the lack of quickness and vision.

If Green even gets back to 80% I think he is your man. If you are drafting this week stay away from all Packer RB's. If Green feels good after a full week of practice then he might be worth a flyer as a 4th RB.

 
While we knew Jacobs would be a TD vulture, you don't like to hear from a player's own mouth that he doesn't like his own fantasy value.
For starters, awesome avatar (GB Flutie, Mo Carthon, Sam Bowers, et al) :thumbup: Just curious, but have you ever heard Tiki boast in any way? It would seem out of character for him to say "take me first in an FF draft, I'm the best!".
I see your point, and Tiki is actually one of my favorite players. I just can't get past the feeling I get from his recent interviews that he's ready for the next stage of his life. Go Generals! :D
 
Can become an owner in your league.Tiki at 13 is criminal. To have Protis in the top 3 and above LJ is ridiculous given the track records of the guys. This even after Portis has a signigicant wing damaged?
Whether you have Tiki at 6 or 13 pretty much is no different since it means you won't get him either way.What track record with LJ are you talking about? 1/2 a season???
 
Can become an owner in your league.Tiki at 13 is criminal. To have Protis in the top 3 and above LJ is ridiculous given the track records of the guys. This even after Portis has a signigicant wing damaged?
Gotta agree with Rabbit's comments.This is EXACTLY why I pay for FBG's :yes: expert advice.....
 
Post your rankings and I'll make some snide comments and then we'll be even, okay?
:goodposting: :lmao: Hey Hulk, Two part question - Name the highest ranked guy you have that you are concerned most about reaching your projection, and then tell us which RB you have ranked low that you feel has a shot at finishing much higher and why.TIA
Okay. The highest has to be Portis. I was really pumped for the Skins offense this offseason, but the injury to his shoulder has me concerned. Also, I am Skins homer, and I wonder if my over-optimism for this team is being impacted by that.Most potential in a lower ranked guy... thats tougher. I could see Corey Dillon having a monster season IF he can stay healthy. Thats a big if. New England's rush schedule is cake though. I might be wise to grab Corey and then Maroney later and lock up that backfield. I don't think we'll really see any rbbc there. It will probably all Corey until he gets injured or is ineffective, and then all Maroney.
 
Can become an owner in your league.

Tiki at 13 is criminal.

To have Protis in the top 3 and above LJ is ridiculous given the track records of the guys. This even after Portis has a signigicant wing damaged?
Is this really necessary?Post your rankings and I'll make some snide comments and then we'll be even, okay?

And who is Protis anyways?

And about their respective track records... which RB has never started a full season and which RB has the most rushing yards ever for his 1st 4 years in the league?
Eric Dickerson :P

Good posting by the way. I don't agree with all of your calls but it's always nice to see someone else's reasoning. Any ambition to post your WR tiers?
:doh: I thought it was Portis.My WR tiers are nowhere near done yet.

 
Tier 5 - The RBBC Back

This tier is the true value at running back. You're probably scratching your head right now wondering why I just said I like RBBCs, since they're pretty much universally hated by fantasy owners. I like them because you can draft them later. And they may take over a full time role if things shake out in the right way. I personally like to wait on my RB 3 until this tier is coming up, rather than drafting 3 RBs in my first 3 or 4 picks. You can usually grab one of these guys in round 5/6, and it will be a much better value for you if you do.

22 - Warrick Dunn

23 - Julius Jones

24 - DeShaun Foster

25 - Joseph Addia

26 - Chris Brown

27 - Mike Bell

28 - Thomas Jones

29 - Cederic Benson

30 - Tatum Bell

31 - Lendale White

32 - Domanic Rhodes

33 - DeAngelo Williams

34 - Marion Barber III

35 - TJ Duckett
Very interesting stuff, (HULK).I noticed that your RBBC guys have a serpentine look to them. That is, the 1st and the 14th are from the Falcons, the 2nd and the 13th are from the Cowboys, etc. Was that intentional, and if so why did you rank the teams in this order?
Yes, it was intentional. While I see all of those situations as rbbc, I see Atlanta as the least RBBC and Chicago as the most RBBC. Hence the lead back for Atlanta (Dunn) is more valuable than the lead back for Chicago (Jones). If possible, in most of the situations I'd try to grab both guys.
 
Paul Hackett. No QB. That's the reason. It's really hard to pass on 3rd downs when your QB is a pile of poo. From everything I've read here in KC, Herm's main philosophy change will be to run out the clock at the end of the game when they are winning. But Solari is running the offense, who's been our OLC for the last 9yrs. I know people were crying about the article talking about the 4min drill. But that's end game, not the entire game. He will pass on 3rd downs. Just not at the end of the game. We already saw it last week in HOU, when Green hit Kennison on 3rd and 8. It wasn't the end of the game, so they weren't in 4min drill mode. They went for the first down.
Paul Hackett's name gives me shivers. He makes football boring.They didn't look so hot last night. Obviously preseason is not full go, but their line looked MUCH worse than last year.Ultimately, I just see this team in the redzone a lot less than they were last year. And thats gonna hurt LJ's value any way you slice it. I'm not preaching doom and gloom here, I've got him ranked 4th, but I think a lot of people expecting him to be the clear cut #1 overall are setting themselves up for disapointment.
 
I noticed that, too. I like it a lot. However, I disagree with a few of the rankings. I'd drop Jones (move Barber up). In fact, my rankings for that area would be: 1. Dunn2. Foster3. Brown4. J. Jones5. T. Jones6. AddaiDunn is the most proven. Foster will be the starter, not in a RBBC, unless he gets hurt (See S. Davis last season). Thus, he has to be second here. Brown will also be the starter and L. White is a cancer (his own teammates hate him). Parcells loves Barber and Parcells has stated they'll be in a "multi-back" rotation (RBBC). In fact, I might drop J. Jones below T. Jones. T. Jones will either be the starter or he won't (Chicago doesn't do RBBC, either). Addai is currently #2, but could move up.I'd rank the rest in inverse order of the top 6 guys, just like Hulk did.
Your input is noted. As I said, I'm still polishing this list up. Thanks, I got to agree with some of your thinking here.
 
Can become an owner in your league.

Tiki at 13 is criminal.

To have Protis in the top 3 and above LJ is ridiculous given the track records of the guys. This even after Portis has a signigicant wing damaged?
Is this really necessary?Post your rankings and I'll make some snide comments and then we'll be even, okay?

And who is Protis anyways?

And about their respective track records... which RB has never started a full season and which RB has the most rushing yards ever for his 1st 4 years in the league?
Eric Dickerson :P

Good posting by the way. I don't agree with all of your calls but it's always nice to see someone else's reasoning. Any ambition to post your WR tiers?
:doh: I thought it was Portis.My WR tiers are nowhere near done yet.
When comparing running backs who had the best start to their career it is pretty much,Eric Dickerson

Earl Campbell

Everyone else.

Dickersons first four years:

1808

2105

1234

1821

That's almost 7000 yards rushing. He averaged about 1750 yards per season. The guy was sick.

 
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While we knew Jacobs would be a TD vulture, you don't like to hear from a player's own mouth that he doesn't like his own fantasy value.
For starters, awesome avatar (GB Flutie, Mo Carthon, Sam Bowers, et al) :thumbup: Just curious, but have you ever heard Tiki boast in any way? It would seem out of character for him to say "take me first in an FF draft, I'm the best!".
I see your point, and Tiki is actually one of my favorite players. I just can't get past the feeling I get from his recent interviews that he's ready for the next stage of his life. Go Generals! :D
One thing to keep in mind: Even if Tiki's production drops by 25-30% this season, he is still a top 10 RB in PPR formats.As a fellow USFL fan, here's something you might be able to appreciate, too. I was at the last game ever played. It was the Championship at the Meadowlands in 1985, when Baltimore beat Oakland. I loved that league!Here's to Jame Lockette, Roger Ruzek, & Jim LeClair! :banned:
 
Okay. The highest has to be Portis. I was really pumped for the Skins offense this offseason, but the injury to his shoulder has me concerned. Also, I am Skins homer, and I wonder if my over-optimism for this team is being impacted by that.Most potential in a lower ranked guy... thats tougher. I could see Corey Dillon having a monster season IF he can stay healthy. Thats a big if. New England's rush schedule is cake though. I might be wise to grab Corey and then Maroney later and lock up that backfield. I don't think we'll really see any rbbc there. It will probably all Corey until he gets injured or is ineffective, and then all Maroney.
Thanks for the answer. FWIW, Portis is a good choice, before he got hurt I thought he was in for a big year, too. I would expect Betts to be more involved now as a result, too, particularly early in the year to keep Portis from re-aggravating the shoulder.Not sure about Dillon though, even though he seems to have rebounded, Maroney looks great, and it will be tough to keep him off the field if he has the ability to get fifteen yards as opposed to Dillon only getting eight.Thanks again!
 

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