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Great topic, this is arguably the greatest cruelty and injustice being perpetrated on a mass scale right under our noses, and it garners almost zero attention from the press or politicians. 

Amazingly here in GA, when an Asian massage parlor is shut down, it's because of moral reasons -- a house of sin is in a strip mall two doors down from a supermarket where soccer moms shop with their children. Not because women were brought here illegally against their will to be raped 10 times per day. And is anything done to save those women when the business is shut down? It's shameful.

 
Hopefully you have better luck than I did trying this topic.  Started a thread several years ago about human trafficking and the child sex slave problems overseas and got crickets.

 
A21 does good work in this area. On a global scale they work with LE to rescue slaves from various situations.

http://www.a21.org/index.php?site=true

In the USA, their focus is mostly on awareness. Especially ironic here - we do a silent, single file march every October, but to my knowledge they are not working with LE in one of the cities where it is most prevalent.

Adam LaRouche retired after 12 years & left $3M on the table to devote his life to this cause. Last offseason he worked undercover in SE Asia. He is associated with The Exodus Road.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-adam-laroche-sex-slavery-interview-20160427-story.html

 
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This topic has always struck a nerve.  How anyone can look at a young girl and think they can just turn them into a sex slave is unfathomable to me.

We had a guy at our church tell a story one time about when he was in a foreign country on a mission trip (can't remember the country) and was offered several young girls while walking through a market to either buy or rent for a time period.  He bought the youngest of them (all the money he had with him) and took her to a safe place, but he had to leave the rest.  I had fantasies for weeks of killing the man selling those girls.

Only the most soulless, vile people could be involved in this process.  The horror stories from the women that make it out with their lives makes my blood boil.

 
Great topic, this is arguably the greatest cruelty and injustice being perpetrated on a mass scale right under our noses, and it garners almost zero attention from the press or politicians. 

Amazingly here in GA, when an Asian massage parlor is shut down, it's because of moral reasons -- a house of sin is in a strip mall two doors down from a supermarket where soccer moms shop with their children. Not because women were brought here illegally against their will to be raped 10 times per day. And is anything done to save those women when the business is shut down? It's shameful.
Just witnessed this in my old Brooklyn neighborhood. They already have a half dozen discrete massage of parlors which nobody was offended by, but a new establishment opened up along a popular restaurant row, and bloggers lost their minds. Which led to a Sunday NY Post story. Which led to the place closing the following day. To what end? Certainly didn't help any of the girls. They just moved deeper into Brooklyn or almost any neighborhood in Manhattan. 

It's an issue that's all around us, hidden in plain sight.

 
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Hopefully you have better luck than I did trying this topic.  Started a thread several years ago about human trafficking and the child sex slave problems overseas and got crickets.
I think the difficult thing about it is the victim's don't advocate for themselves, out of fear and shame. In many cases there are threats against victims' families if they were to ever try to escape. And rape unfortunately breeds shame and self-loathing, and there's just a lack of understanding of this issue in general in society -- about the scale of it and the human cost. Plus, the perpetrators are usually based in other countries, so it's difficult to prosecute. So at every turn, there are disincentives to talk about it and to do anything about it. We need to be motivated by pure human compassion to save these people even as they deny they are victims and even when we don't get the satisfaction of prosecuting the traffickers. I hope more people will talk about it and get involved.

 
The woman who runs the NYC chapter of A21 is a former sex worker who was rescued. She goes to my church & has an amazing story.

We started an outreach this year called Her Hope where we go into strip clubs & AMPs / KMPs. We start out by giving them gift bags. What we're really trying to accomplish is to establish relationships & be an outlet in their lives. This Thanksgiving & Christmas we gave out something like 850 gift bags. It's a women only volunteer force, but a couple guys in my crew function as drivers. We'll see what fruit that produces in the coming year, but I'm hearing incredible stories already.

TBH though it's a couple drops in a river of humanity. Awareness is a good start because I think a lot of people think this is a problem that goes on "somewhere else." But two of the main points of entry are Grand Rapids, MI & Minneapolis.

 
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Just witnessed this in my old Brooklyn neighborhood. They already have a half dozen discrete massage of parlors which nobody was offended by, but a new establishment opened up along a popular restaurant row, and bloggers lost their minds. Which led to a Sunday NY Post story. Which led to the place closing the following day. To what end? Certainly didn't help any of the girls. They just moved deeper into Brooklyn or almost any neighborhood in Manhattan. 

It's an issue that's all around us, hidden in plain sight.
They keep popping up here in Queens and people do a good job of highlighting them and getting them to close down. I can't imagine how many there must be in Flushing and other areas.

It's always baffled me that this topic doesn't get the attention it deserves.

 
They keep popping up here in Queens and people do a good job of highlighting them and getting them to close down. I can't imagine how many there must be in Flushing and other areas.

It's always baffled me that this topic doesn't get the attention it deserves.
Yeah, so again it's overt in certain areas - Flushing, CT, K-town, Sunset Park. But it's all over, in almost in every neighborhood, from FiDi to the UES. In class C buildings on almost every block of midtown. One floor above a legit therapeutic spa in my 'hood, Hell's Kitchen. In the back of the barbershop down the street from my office. Next to my favorite Mexican restaurant on St Marks Place. 

I'm guessing NYPD looks at it as wack-a-mole & doesn't allocate the resources.

When I moved here in 1999, my neighbor had a double duplex but built out an illegal (no windows) basement apartment for extra income. The first year the tenant was a law student. The next year was a young Korean girl. A car service would pick her up mid-afternoon & bring her back after midnight. Another neighbor threatened to turn him into NYC Dept of Buildings, so he evicted her. Accomplished nothing to help her.

 
one of my favorite charities is International Justice Mission, which rescues girls/women around the world and works in those countries' legal systems to secure convictions and change laws.

Kirk Cousins and Tim Hightower spotlighted IJM in the NFL's recent #MyCauseMyCleats campaign
Great group. We have a number of people from my church that use a local 5k to raise money for this group every year. It's unbelievably sad how huge this issue is and how little coverage it gets in the media. You would think that with the combination of slavery, sex, and women's health/rights, this would be a home run all the way with the media and tons of rights groups. But it seems largely overlooked. I really don't understand it.

 
Hopefully you have better luck than I did trying this topic.  Started a thread several years ago about human trafficking and the child sex slave problems overseas and got crickets.
Well, it's something that everyone is against so it's not going to generate any type of debate and it seems to me that disagreement is what leads to a lot of discussion around here. A thread about murder also wouldn't generate much discussion. But, a thread about guns and their role in murder will because that's debatable. I'd guess most people don't have a strong opinion on how to best fight this, but maybe a few people do and that could be interesting to discuss.

I'm generally interested in hearing what direction you'd like this thread to go. What are the aspects that could be discussed here? Seeing some of the links to charities and reading some of the stories here is interesting, but I'm not sure I see that leading to tons of discussion unless we come across someone here who has a ton of experience fighting this and can shed a bunch of knowledge. I look forward to hearing @BobbyLayne's update from his church's effort.

 
Awesome posts so far.  This topic will hit the MSM in a month or so.  The FBI Has called this more profitable than the drug trade.  I plan to bump this thread monthly due to news stories. 

 
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Hopefully you have better luck than I did trying this topic.  Started a thread several years ago about human trafficking and the child sex slave problems overseas and got crickets.
I think/hope Trump is against this.  His DOD appointees will be, I dont want to make this political, but we cant stand for this!

 
I saw a lot of it living in Europe and know it goes on here too, especially trying to lure young females from Eastern Europe to work in the service industry in Orlando.  They work at Disney like slaves for a month and then end up at Mons Venus in Tampa.

The worst place I've been for this is the Arab world though.  Indentured servants, sex slaves, basically people to just throw away when you're done with them and the Arabs do this with great frequency.  Those from the Philippines, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and SE Asia in particular.  Muslims may have the advantage of someday getting to leave, but I think a lot of the others never come back.  When they are done in Saudi or Qatar they are sold to one of the former Soviet Republics or to a country in Africa like Tchad.  It's pretty horrific. 

 
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Great topic, this is arguably the greatest cruelty and injustice being perpetrated on a mass scale right under our noses, and it garners almost zero attention from the press or politicians. 

Amazingly here in GA, when an Asian massage parlor is shut down, it's because of moral reasons -- a house of sin is in a strip mall two doors down from a supermarket where soccer moms shop with their children. Not because women were brought here illegally against their will to be raped 10 times per day. And is anything done to save those women when the business is shut down? It's shameful.
You hit the nail on the head. This needs to hit the masses. FBG isn;t the most trafficked site, but I respect you guys and think this is appropriate.

 
I saw a lot of it living in Europe and know it goes on here too, especially trying to lure young females from Eastern Europe to work in the service industry in Orlando.  They work at Disney like slaves for a month and then end up at Mons Venus in Tampa.

The worst place I've been for this is the Arab world though.  Indentured servants, sex slaves, basically people to just throw away when you're done with them and the Arabs do this with great frequency.  Those from the Philippines, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and SE Asia in particular.  Muslims may have the advantage of someday getting to leave, but I think a lot of the others never come back.  When they are done in Saudi or Qatar they are sold to one of the former Soviet Republics or to a country in Africa like Tchad.  It's pretty horrific. 
Jesus...

I find it interesting that DOD employees have to do counter human trafficking training once a year...Of all the topics....

 
All of this has been going on since humanity has existed.  The selling of children really breaks your heart, and a lot of these 17 and 18 year old girls out there are children too.  At some point in the process a lot of these people couldn't get out even if they wanted to, I mean where are you going to go in a 2nd or 3rd world country if you escaped?  Don't know the language, probably don't look like a local, it's really awful.  I can't even think about the kids, makes me sick. 

 
Jesus...

I find it interesting that DOD employees have to do counter human trafficking training once a year...Of all the topics....
Well any government agency that has overseas dealings and posts is going to run into it.  In the DoD you have a lot of young people, 25 and under.  When I was in we didn't have the training, I had to learn about stuff like this on my own.  I remember being in Saudi in the 90s and a female indentured servant got cold-cocked by her supervisor (who was also a 3rd country national) for something or another right in front of a whole bunch of hungry troops.  We started yelling at the guy and causing a ruckus, much of the staff working in the Chow hall scattered like roaches in the back.  Never saw the supervisor or the woman again.  I just assumed they both met a cruel fate. 

 
Great thread.  I didn't know the Adam LaRouche story.  Agree this has been happening since the beginning of time.  We have to do something in this country first though what's happening abroad is brutal. 

Have to to throw the book at traffickers. It's just in the last few years that I've read about pimps who brand their girls with tatted barcodes get put away for decades.  

 
So, what do we do about it? Tackle the demand side or the supply side?

IMHO focusing solely on tthe supply side seems to be even more futile than the war on drugs.

 
I've worked with International Justice Mission and then later with a nonprofit that worked in India, Uganda and Bolivia, as well as Invisible Children.  

I've posted about a particular child we helped from Uganda.  

The most successful strategy seems to be funding efforts to investigate and prosecute offenders under their own countries' laws, then funding safe housing, therapy, education and job training to the victims.

Write the state department to stop funding countries that don't prosecute or enforce their own laws.  Donate to justice organizations.  

 
I'm currently helping to form a nonprofit that is establishing a safe haven in Costa Rica for victims of human trafficking in South America.  

If anyone would be interested in becoming part of its beginning, we already have the land.

 
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Great topic, this is arguably the greatest cruelty and injustice being perpetrated on a mass scale right under our noses, and it garners almost zero attention from the press or politicians. 

Amazingly here in GA, when an Asian massage parlor is shut down, it's because of moral reasons -- a house of sin is in a strip mall two doors down from a supermarket where soccer moms shop with their children. Not because women were brought here illegally against their will to be raped 10 times per day. And is anything done to save those women when the business is shut down? It's shameful.
The worst part are the local municipalities who turn a blind all to all of this.  There are tons of these places all over the suburbs, including some of the wealthiest communities in the state.  Truly shameful.

 
I'm currently helping to form a nonprofit that is establishing a safe haven in Costa Rica for victims of human trafficking in South America.  

If anyone would be interested in becoming part of its beginning, we already have the land.
I am.  If you have any way that a normal joe can assist, there are a lot of us.

 
I am unsure of it's effectiveness but there is an app called TraffickCam that you use to take pictures of your hotel room. They will use those pictures to match pictures in listings of abductees in an effort to find and prosecute the offenders.

 
My state (North Carolina) has a lot of human trafficking going on. The agriculture and easy access to highways along the East Coast makes it attractive to traffickers. I went to a seminar three years ago, and one of the speakers spoke on human trafficking, and it was a real eye opener. 

 
Just talked to a guy today in Houston who owns a for profit business (they sell printer cartridges) that takes all of the company profits and donates them to 13 different non-profit organizations that all have a role in fighting human trafficking. A couple things I found interesting: One, a lot of the girls are domestic, and a lot of those come out of the foster home sector. They are very vulnerable to being lured into prostitution by gifts or the promise of gifts and then they have very little support to get them out of that lifestyle. Second, local police are starting to get there but for a long time have been very ineffective in addressing the problem. They have a history of arresting the girls and not going after the pimps or the johns. That is starting to change and will be the only thing that will starts to affect the demand side of things. I think public shaming needs to start happening in a big way to go after the perpetrators. 

 
Well, it's something that everyone is against so it's not going to generate any type of debate and it seems to me that disagreement is what leads to a lot of discussion around here. A thread about murder also wouldn't generate much discussion. But, a thread about guns and their role in murder will because that's debatable. I'd guess most people don't have a strong opinion on how to best fight this, but maybe a few people do and that could be interesting to discuss.

I'm generally interested in hearing what direction you'd like this thread to go. What are the aspects that could be discussed here? Seeing some of the links to charities and reading some of the stories here is interesting, but I'm not sure I see that leading to tons of discussion unless we come across someone here who has a ton of experience fighting this and can shed a bunch of knowledge. I look forward to hearing @BobbyLayne's update from his church's effort.
For me, it's about awareness and HOPEFULLY that awareness filters up to people being motivated to get their representatives involved.  I was at a church in Cincy for a period of years that had formed a coalition of individuals (lawyers, doctors, ex military, ex police etc) that would go to these countries and help in any way they could.  It's a life threatening proposition, but by the time I left, 15 children had been saved (everything from physical removal from the situation to helping get them through the legal process etc).

 
Heard this woman on Jason Ellis yesterday and it was eye opening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsFDifZDpoc

Never really considered "prostitution" to be trafficking but it really is.

If you have Sirius/XM it's worth it to download yesterday's show and give it a listen.

 
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My husband would call me extremely naive, but I remember the first time I say the movie Taken. I remember talking about it with him and I said something like "That movie makes me never want to go to Europe" He said "you know that stuff happens in our country too." That really freaked me out, being a mother that works at home with a 3 year old daughter and takes her shopping, out to the park to play and things like that. I will try find the link again, but there was site that kind of gave you an idea what to look for and what to do if you feel they are casing you out. It was a good read for women and to tell your children things to look out for if they are shopping or at a bus stop or something. If anyone else knows of the link feel free to post it.

@MaxPower Great post

@Oso diablo great link, I will look at it when I get some more time this week and look to volunteer or at worst donate some money.

 
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http://ktla.com/2017/02/01/474-arrested-28-sexually-exploited-children-rescued-during-statewide-human-trafficking-operation-lasd/

Hundreds of people were arrested and dozens of sexually exploited children and adult victims were rescued across California during a statewide operation to combat human trafficking, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department announced Tuesday.

More than 30 federal, state and local law enforcement agencies and task forces, including the Los Angeles Regional Human Trafficking Task Force, participated in the third annual “Operation Reclaim and Rebuild” enforcement operation, according to a sheriff’s news release.

The statewide operation took place over the three-day period between last Thursday and Saturday.

In total, 474 arrests were made, including 142 males on solicitation charges, and 36 males on suspicion of pimping, according to figures provided by the Sheriff’s Department.

Additionally, 28 commercially and sexually exploited children and 27 adult victims were rescued.

“You are worthy of more. And we will work tirelessly with our partners … to provide you services and help you rebuild your life,” Sheriff Jim McDonnell said, addressing the victims during a news conference on Tuesday.

The minors who were recovered during the operation were being cared for by various children and family services agencies across the state, according to sheriff’s officials. The Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking and the Saving Innocence organization were coordinating efforts to help victims in L.A. County.

“Operation Reclaim and Rebuild focused on rescuing victims of sexual slavery and human trafficking, providing victims with much-needed services, identifying and arresting their captors, seeking successful prosecutions, and disrupting the demand for vulnerable victims by targeting their customers,” the release stated.

“Police agencies and other trafficking task forces throughout our state joined in the enforcement operation to send the clear message that California law enforcement shares a unified mandate: Human trafficking must not be tolerated in our state!”

Correction: An earlier version of this story had an incorrect surname for the L.A. County sheriff. The story has been updated.
 
Those numbers suck, but good on them for finding this ring and hitting it hard.  I remember the Super Bowl was supposed to be the #1 event for human trafficking.  I wonder if it still is or we hear of some busts this weekend. 

 
Hundreds of people were arrested and dozens of sexually exploited children and adult victims were rescued across California during a statewide operation to combat human trafficking, the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department announced Tuesday.
Oddly enough they just had a sizeable bust in NO, maybe 10-15 women/girls were let free from an undisclosed location.

 
Those numbers suck, but good on them for finding this ring and hitting it hard.  I remember the Super Bowl was supposed to be the #1 event for human trafficking.  I wonder if it still is or we hear of some busts this weekend. 
Does this mean that more victims are moved during the game cuz law enforcement is taking time off to watch football?

 

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