HYPOTHETICAL: If Vick Came Clean (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:

- Admits to being involved in dogfighting

- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters

- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction

- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months

- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension

- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved

- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity

- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.

- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team

- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charities

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

 

[Banger]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

Probably and I wouldn't be surprised if this happened save the 4 game suspension (will definitely be 1 year in this scenario).

 

[SpecOpLoad]

He would be a true humanitarian then!!!

I would vote for him!!

Oh wait he's not running for office!

Then its all Ex post facto admission of guilt.

He's screwed!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

 

[Aaronstory]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No. He still did it, supported it and wasn't jailed/punished enough for it. It's a really disgusting act and IMO and don't cut it.

 

[FTRWRTR]

IMO it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other. Just like they're are ppl defending him and saying "they are just dogs, what's the big deal." There will still be ppl who hate vick even if he suddenly does everything right.

 

[John Mamula]

I don't think so. Just look in the dog vs. stranger thread. If many people would save their own dog over a stranger, and can relate to Vick torturing dogs, people won't forgive him any time soon and will see and charitable work for what it is: pandering to the fans.

It's going to sound bad, but people will hate Vick more for what he did to helpless dogs than if he beat his gf/wife.

Personally, I would not support the Falcons if I was a season ticket holder until he was off the roster. Not sure of the demographics of ATL peeps though.

 

[saintfool]

i'm going to say "no". some of those might be happy with those steps - namely the league and franchise - but the stigma will always be there. americans are animal lovers, especially dogs. if he's found guilty, the hole he has dug for himself will keep him at least partially persona non grata in the fans' eyes.

 

[chris1969]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

The legal system may have to go through it's due process under the guise of "innocent until proven guilty" but in the imfamous "court of public opinion", he has already been tried, found guilty, and convicted.His image is forever tarnished and there's nothing he could ever do to get it back for the simple fact that he can never undo what he purportedly did and what he did was such an abomination. The general public doesn't need all the "t's crossed and i's dotted" like the legal system does. The fact that he's been indicted is enough for most people to dispose of him and move on to the next celebrity that doesn't have the cloud of such allegations hovering over them.

 

[joffer]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

agreewhile opinions on how this kind of offense compares to others on the "how bad of a guy is he" scale, there's the argument that if proven, these charges show an extremely low sense of moral character that most people could never get over, even if he apologized. While someone convicted of, for example, being involved in a night club shooting, could always fall back on the "I surrounded myself with the wrong people and made a stupid mistake" apology.

 

[FantasyTrader]

When I read "Makes a deal with the NFL..." I started laughing out loud.

The NFL doesn't do deals. They TELL you the amount of time you're being suspended.

But yes. Although I cannot speak for his fans (cuz I'm not one), the Falcons or the NFL - doing everything you listed would make me personally respect the guy a great deal.

 

[DLeo]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

-pays a minimum of a 5 million fine plus another few million to prevention for crulity to animals.but i am not sure if the feds are looking to cut him a deal more than they want to make an example out of him so others will understand that dog fighting just will not be tolerated in any way shape or form. I just don't see any way he gets off easy if he really did those things to the losing dogs Dave. If anyone ever really deserved some hard time to pay his debt to society then its Vick, maybe after a five year of jail time then do all of the above...MAYBE.

 

[The Ice Cream Man]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

I think it would help some think he is doing the right thing and maybe even trying to change / turn himself around but ultimately in our society we tend to never forgive people. Even people who are found not guilty are some times labeled as guilty for life.

 

[smitty63]

Ummmm, Nope.

 

[jurb26]

- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension

Kinda lost me here.

 

[mad sweeney]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

How many executed and mutilated dogs would this make up for? If he admitted guilt then he's also admitting to lying to the commisioner, his team, and everyone else. The one and only way he saves his image is if he is found completely innocent. Not OJ innocent, but completely innocent. Sorry, but beating, hanging and electrocuting dogs to death isn't going away. No matter what he does.

 

[spOOfy]

There are going to people who still hate him now, no matter what happens. Even if he is found innocent of all charges, some would still loathe him.

But what you listed would certainly appease many fans who are still on the fence.

 

[David Yudkin]

When I read "Makes a deal with the NFL..." I started laughing out loud. The NFL doesn't do deals. They TELL you the amount of time you're being suspended.

How many players staure wise have that been similar to Michael Vick?Theoretically, if this made this go away say 18 months quicker than otherwise and helped repair the image of the game right away wouldn't the league want that?Part of what the league WANTS is for players to amend their wayward behaviors. Maybe they would consider giving him a reduced suspension if he made amends.PacMan Jones was afforded every opportunity to clean up his act and that INCREASED his suspension.Clearly I doubt Vick will own up to any of this and do even one of the things I mentioned, but I wonder if he took the high road if that would get him many points.

 

[Lefty27]

It would have put him in a better situation than where he is today. Not a good one, but better. Though it would only be a matter of time before this scumbag is involved/associated with some other legal issue in the future.

 

[Obie Wan]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

maybe you should apply for a job as his spin doctor - you're doing a fine job of pimping for him here.oh wait- he hasn't been charged with being a pimp --yet.

 

[SteveUK]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

From the Feds point of view, the second item is the key one. Vick has to give up something bigger than he is. Otherwise I don't see any sort of plea deal happening, which really is the prerequisite for any of the above happening.IMO, he is toast.

 

[John Mamula]

When it is all said and done, I would be shocked if Vick was the only NFL player involved.

 

[Loopdog]

I've been a huge Vick fan since his days at Virginia Tech.

I have supported him time and time again both in conversations in person and online on these boards, but this is really a terrible thing to do. It doesn't make it any better that he's one of the NFL's most marketed players. You know the suits in the league office and in the Atlanta organization are really at this point.

Its absolutely disgusting what he did to those poor dogs

 

[David Yudkin]

When it is all said and done, I would be shocked if Vick was the only NFL player involved.

That's an interesting one. What if he threatened to go public with some big number of NFL players (maybe even HOFers) that have been involved. I know the concept in this thread was Vick effectively turning righteous and making amends. But if there are many other guys involved would the league want that public knowledge or not and could he use that as a bargaining chip? How about if Vick knew of other illicit activities beyond dogfighting. Maybe he'd go Jose Canseco on people and spill his guts . . .

 

[Phurfur]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

After all this he will still be an overrated NFL QB.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

As far as I care... at this point...

I hope he gets chained down, soaked in water, and electrocuted from an exposed live wire.

So no, it wouldnt help him in the slightest. He would just be adding more lies to his scumbag self. See Pacman. See Dubya.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:

- Admits to being involved in dogfighting

- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters

- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction

- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months

- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension

- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved

- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity

- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.

- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team

- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charities

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

This would come across as the most hollow, star-worshiping slap-on-the-wrist from both the feds and NFL it doesn't even seem plausible. And I think most fans would see through it as just another big name star buying his way out of responsibility. This would still be a black eye for the league (for being WAY too lenient based on what's in those charges) and I hope most people would not so easily drop the stigma attached to Vick in their minds. In my mind this would be worse than him getting an OJ-type verdict and being found not legally guilty because it meant the organizations (Feds, NFL) that could have held him responsible were complicit in letting him off the hook. Exactly the wrong message.

ETA: Sometimes "sorry" just doesn't cut it.

 

[SteveUK]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:

- Admits to being involved in dogfighting

- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters

- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction

- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months

- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension

- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved

- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity

- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.

- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team

- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charities

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

After all this he will still be an overrated NFL QB.

Fixed

 

[Enraged Nerfball]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

I think it helps as a mitigating factor in sentencing as a legal matter in the courts. As a NFL matter based on what I've seen from Goodell I don't think it will. My understanding is that Vick gave him assurances he wasn't involved in any way. He had his chance to come clean and blew it.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension

Wonder if I'm the only one that laughed out loud at this part!

 

[Brewzers]

When it is all said and done, I would be shocked if Vick was the only NFL player involved.

Marcus??

 

[sholditch]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

May I add Hell no. All this would do is bring increased pressure on the Falcons to cut him and pressure on any teams that sign him, as well as prove once again that if you have enough money and fame laws do not apply to you. It's not like he got caught cheating on his wife or using a racist slur. This guy, if all is true, which is what you are asserting, then this punk is one of the most inhuman sons of #####es I have ever heard of and deserves to not only serve the maximum sentence, but to be permanently excised from normal society. He likes hanging out with psychos who get their jollies by torturing defenseles animals? Fine, that's your social circle Vick.Honestly, why on earth are you taking up for this psychopathic, cruel piece of crap?

 

[sholditch]

As far as I care... at this point...

I hope he gets chained down, soaked in water, and electrocuted from an exposed live wire.

So know, it wouldnt help him in the slightest. He would just be adding more lies to his scumbag self. See Pacman. See Dubya.

May I add his sentence should be served in a dog pound, so the cries of dogs keep him up every night, thinking about what he blew to engage in something as sick and depraved as dogfighting.

 

[NEUPJ]

Funny, when I was arrested for multiple felonies I didn't get an offer to "tell the truth and pay a fine and walk" 3 years of jail time later, parole was the savior. Why should it be any different for Vick?

 

[GoBears84]

Let's say Vick sized up the situation and saw that he was getting painted into a corner. Let's also say he did the following:- Admits to being involved in dogfighting- Helps the feds nail other dogfighters- Enters an ongoing counseling program for his dogfighting/gambling addiction- Makes a plea deal to serve 6 months in jail (say all off season) and maybe gets out in 4 months- Makes a deal with the NFL to a 4 game suspension- Taskes out a full page add in the Atlanta newspaper apologizing to all involved- Starts and funds another prevention of animal cruelty charity- Does some community serve work, commercials for the humane society, etc.- Gives say 1/3 of his signing bonus back to the team- Gives another 1/3 of his signing bonus to animal charitiesWould this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

It's interesting to hear how this has permeated even non sports talk radine person suggested that this was even worse than murder. The reasoning was that most murders have motivation behind them: passion, robbery, etc. This was systematically beating, hanging and electrocuting dogs to death. The general public won't stand for it. His lawyers may help him, but he's done. I wouldn't be surprised of Nike dumped him this afternoon.Joel

 

[Prussian]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

Agree, NO.It's a nice list of restitution and punishment. But, it does not equal forgiveness or allow people to forgive the obvious malicious intent."Bad Newz" (Bad Newz Kennels) is likely his new nickname.

 

[Boston]

The reason I can never respect Vick again (assuming all this is true) and don't think he deserves any remorse is his criminal behavior has taken place over approximately a six year period. This isn't a spur of the moment/one shot deal like a bar room fight or DWI (assuming we're talking about someone with no prior record) or even some oddball crime of passion. This guy has been involved in felonious activity for quite sometime. He's had plenty of opportunities to look in the mirror and realize what he was doing was both immoral and against the law. I'm just not going to be impressed with him doing a 180 now that he got bagged or because he has a ton of money to use as an angle to repair his image. If these charges are true than he's nothing more than a lowlife punk and no amount of money or God-given althletic talent can change that.

 

[TD Ryan]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

I'm not sure that "forgiveness" or "image repair" can be applied to Vick.the actions are too disturbing to "repair" his image.the actions of hanging, electrocuting, and drowning dog are pure evil... it's on par with the imagery created in hellish video games like DOOM.Michael Vick is to dogs (allegedly)asJeffery Dahmer is to peoplethere is no repairing. there is no "sorry". it's just all around too disturbing for any of that.You sleep with a hooker and a "sorry" maybe gets you off because, you know... it coulda' happened to us toolYou drink and drive and accidentally hurt someone, a "sorry" doesn't get you off, but again, it coulda' happened to us too!You hang a dog, electrocute a dog, or chain a dog to a "rape chair" for breeding... sorry ain't gonna' do it because there isn't a whole lotta' "it coulda' happened to us too!" in that equation.

 

[David Yudkin]

To clarify, once again, I have no love for Vick and like everyone else would be perfectly content to see him fry. I am interested in the process and if there are ways for him to weasle out of punishment to the highest level allowed. My life doesn't change any no matter what happens to him, so I am just looking at things as a curious outsider.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I'll add this: I previously couldn't imagine ever not following the NFL to a great extent, but if Vick only gets a slap on the wrist here, that would be a start in losing me forever as a fan. If found guilty of everything I've read so far, this pig should be banned from the NFL for life. And he better find himself sitting in jail for several years.

 

[Mo_Steel]

Would this be enough to repair his image, keep the fans happy, keep the team happy, keep the league happy, and allow Vick to lose the stigma that otherwise would follow him forever?

No.

The legal system may have to go through it's due process under the guise of "innocent until proven guilty" but in the imfamous "court of public opinion", he has already been tried, found guilty, and convicted.His image is forever tarnished and there's nothing he could ever do to get it back for the simple fact that he can never undo what he purportedly did and what he did was such an abomination. The general public doesn't need all the "t's crossed and i's dotted" like the legal system does. The fact that he's been indicted is enough for most people to dispose of him and move on to the next celebrity that doesn't have the cloud of such allegations hovering over them.

 

[JimmyD]

The sad thing is that if he made a $5 dollar bet on the Falcons to just to win he'd be out of the NFL for ever, no discussion...

 

[Ed Wood]

When it is all said and done, I would be shocked if Vick was the only NFL player involved.

Could be the case, but it's doubtful there's a higher profile one than Vick involved...

 

[SSOG]

Definitely not. I don't think anything Vick does at this point will convince me that he is truly remorseful for anything other than getting caught.

 

[Sweat Hog]

Hell no.

Dude, every post I've read from you on this topic is thinly veiled as being a Vick apologist.

This is a cruelty issue involving SUB HUMAN behavior. Torturing animals - electrocuting, strangling, beating... and these are what is known/revealed thus far is not a big leap away from killing a person. Think about putting yourself in his shoes. What kind of mindset does it take to kill a dog - and not by shooting from a distance but up close and personal? A lot of serial killers started out killing animals. This is not to say all animal killers turn into murderers of human beings but it takes a similar mindset.

Would you forgive and forget if the charges were child molestation and he performed a similar mea culpa? Different act but similar mindset - completely devoid of moral conscience and total lack of respect for life in general.

Vick = sociopath.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

IMO it wouldn't make a difference one way or the other. Just like they're are ppl defending him and saying "they are just dogs, what's the big deal." There will still be ppl who hate vick even if he suddenly does everything right.

I'm not real impressed with jailhouse conversions.

 

[Jason Wood]

When it is all said and done, I would be shocked if Vick was the only NFL player involved.

It's absurd to think this ends with Vick. However, bringing charges against people who simply bet on the events is a far cry from putting down the guys who ran the dog-fighting. Whether any other names will come to light remains a mystery, but you can bet there are a LOT of nervous athletes (and some celebrities I'm sure) right now.