Hypothetical: Roethlisberger trade (1 Viewer)

[Steeler]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

5th round pick ?

 

[beavers]

Pack of smokes and a free stay at a Holiday Inn Express ??

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

If they sought the trade it would damage the relationship and signal t other teams that he must be moved. This would certainly discount his value. With his current publicity less than Cutler brought but given his relative youth and the lack of chrges substantially more than McNaab was worth.

I'd guesstwo second rounders and a 4th in the third year passed on playing time.

 

[CrossEyed]

Is Kordell Stewart still on anyone's roster?

 

[Steelnation]

5th round pick ?

How original

 

[mcintyre1]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

 

[Steeler]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

 

[Jeremy]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something.

Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

 

[HellToupee]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

I agree

 

[phthalatemagic]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

I agree

 

[Tau837]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.

 

[Jeremy]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.

Roethlisberger is a better QB, and I've never seen any evidence that Jerry Jones cares about character, and for that matter, neither does their fan base. I've asked Cowboys fans if adding Pacman Jones bothered them and they act like they don't understand the question.

 

[Tau837]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.

Roethlisberger is a better QB, and I've never seen any evidence that Jerry Jones cares about character, and for that matter, neither does their fan base. I've asked Cowboys fans if adding Pacman Jones bothered them and they act like they don't understand the question.

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

 

[Fat Nick]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.

Roethlisberger is a better QB, and I've never seen any evidence that Jerry Jones cares about character, and for that matter, neither does their fan base. I've asked Cowboys fans if adding Pacman Jones bothered them and they act like they don't understand the question.

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

Not a chance of this being a fair/realistic trade...heck, swap the direction of that 2nd rounder TO the Cowpokes and I still couldn't see that trade happening. Now the Bengals working a deal with Carson Palmer to me would have fair risk/reward for both teams.

 

[CrossEyed]

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

Seriously?I don't think Romo is close to Ben as a QB.

 

[Phlash]

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

Seriously?I don't think Romo is close to Ben as a QB.

I also think Romo is the superior QB to Ben. He's not a winner but I don't think thats a product of his failings, but he has had some inept coaching in his career (outside of Bill Parcells obviously). The guy has produced huge numbers year in and year out and is insanely accurate on top of having a great deep ball. I am of the opinion that Roeth is a really good QB but Romo is extremely good. He's not #1 all time in YPA for nothing.

 

[Zoomanji]

Mike Vick?

 

[Tau837]

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

Seriously?I don't think Romo is close to Ben as a QB.

Based on what? Statistically, Romo is better across the board as a passer. Their regular season winning percentages are essentially equivalent (Roethlisberger .698 to Romo .691).Roethlisberger has obviously been better in the postseason, but he has been on much better teams, which has a lot to do with that... and Romo has a small sample size, with only 4 playoff games to date. I think a lot of people, especially Steelers fans ( ), think Roethlisberger is better simply by virtue of the two Super Bowl titles. But tere is a difference between "better" and "more accomplished." No doubt, Roethlisberger is more accomplished. But Romo is better IMO.Romo also doesn't seem to be a scumbag... Roethlisberger does.

 

[Black]

If the Steelers tried to trade Big Ben right now? I'd take a guess with 2 first round picks plus a couple of players ( one starter) .

If the Steelers tried to trade Big Ben after the season and he had a good statistical year? I'd say 2 first rounders, 1 second, 3 thirds and some players ( two starters).

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The Bears simply outbid for Cutler even though the whole league knew Denver HAD to get rid of the guy. Players like Big Ben don't hit the market very often, even with character issues in play.

That's like Herschel Walker crazy. I think you could get maybe a first/third, or a couple of seconds + player. No one is giving more than 2 picks, not these days. He has more value than Cutler and McNabb, but not that much more. I think he's a good, but not great QB. Don't even start with the rings this the rings that, I just don't think he's a great QB.

 

[mcintyre1]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy :whoosh:

I agree

Whatever. You guys are out of touch with reality, and letting your personal values (hooking up while drunk = the devil) influence your views far too much. But that's not what this thread is about so I'm moving on.

 

[Loopdog]

Wow. Some of those trade scenarios listed are downright laughable. Several first rounders plus? Are you kidding me?

 

[Trent]

I don't see Pittsburgh moving Ben but i will play along. I will say if he were to get traded within the next 10 days, he goes for a 1st and a conditional 2nd to Az to reunite with Whisenhunt. If he stays out of trouble and they were to maximize value next offseason, I think they could trade Ben and a 4th for two 1sts and an later conditional pick or player.

 

[Cassius]

The Packers would probably trade Rodgers and like a future 1st or something.

 

[DCN12586]

When did his life start to go down hill? Was it after he won the Super Bowl or after Terry Hoeppner died? He seemed like his first two years a guy of good character and without flaws, then again look at Tiger Woods and Steve McNair.

 

[Kev4029]

That's like Herschel Walker crazy. I think you could get maybe a first/third, or a couple of seconds + player. No one is giving more than 2 picks, not these days. He has more value than Cutler and McNabb, but not that much more. I think he's a good, but not great QB. Don't even start with the rings this the rings that, I just don't think he's a great QB.

He's 28 years old. His career QB rating is like 92 percent. His career completion percentage is over 60 percent. He's won two rings ( yes I will say it again)Given a trade to a new franchise, he could secure their QB position for 8-10 years. Which in the NFL is an eternity. Something to consider is all sports scandals tend to die down over time. How many people still talk about Kobe and Colorado when they discuss the Lakers now? The NFL is a QB driven league. Big Ben is a proven performer. If he was put on the trading block, has the NFL ever had a QB this accomplished at this age on the block? Ever? If he's put up for trade, its not like any other trade, it will literally be an auction. Even teams without real interest will stay interested if only to drive up the price for teams in their division who might be interested. All you need to drive up the price of a player in a trade is TWO TEAMS who are committed to getting that player. That's all you need. Sometimes all you need is ONE TEAM ALONG WITH THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE IS A SECOND TEAM. ( Look at the Redskins, often outbidding themselves in previous years) The Broncos got 2 first rounders and a third plus a player for Cutler. The player was a legitimate starting QB ( not the best QB ever, but a proven starter) Cutler was younger but he didn't have the rings. This discussion isn't what I personally think Big Ben is worth to my favorite team. It's about what the market might bear for him in general. Whether anyone here likes it or not, that market gets set with the Cutler trade as a starting point for NFL teams. It's the most recent and closest comparison ( in so much as possible given this situation) The minimum buy in for getting Big Ben, if he even was on the block, is two 1st rounders, and that's just to start. Trying to compare a Big Ben situation with a McNabb or Schaub situation is not practical. McNabb has been injured quite a bit recently, has no rings, and is older. He's also a WCO QB who isn't so well suited for the WCO in a league that has fewer and fewer disciples from the Walsh coaching tree still around. Schaub was a back up. Those players had limited markets for a potential trade. Big Ben is not that case. 80 percent of NFL franchises would inquire about Big Ben if he was on the block.

You are discounting the fact that this isn't the first time there have been significant issues with his off the field behavior. He has been accused of some sort of sexual misconduct twice, and crashed his bike and almost was killed. Maybe he isn't the scumbag some people are making him out to be, but maybe he is? There is too much to risk to give up multiple firsts and all that other stuff you were saying. If Peyton Manning was 28 again and was coming of 3 bad offseasons like Ben's, he couldn't grad what you are suggesting. On top of that, I think Big Ben is about the most over rated player in professional sports. He takes more dumb sacks than any quarterback I've ever seen. People will argue that is what makes him special, he scrambles around and makes a big play from time to time. The 5 drives a game he kills with sacks far out weigh a good play or two a game.

 

[RBM]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.

Roethlisberger is a better QB, and I've never seen any evidence that Jerry Jones cares about character, and for that matter, neither does their fan base. I've asked Cowboys fans if adding Pacman Jones bothered them and they act like they don't understand the question.

I disagree that Roethlisberger is a better QB. IMO Romo is better, even without taking any character issues into account.

This has to be shtick. They arent even in the same league

 

[RBM]

Some of these replies are crazy. Roethlisberger is the right in the mix with Brady and Brees, all behind Manning, and 2nd best qb in the league.

There is nothing the guy cant do on the field. How anybody doesnt think this guy is great is crazy to me. Very surprised

 

[Godsbrother]

I don't see Pittsburgh moving Ben but i will play along. I will say if he were to get traded within the next 10 days, he goes for a 1st and a conditional 2nd to Az to reunite with Whisenhunt. If he stays out of trouble and they were to maximize value next offseason, I think they could trade Ben and a 4th for two 1sts and an later conditional pick or player.

Big Ben and Whiz weren't always on the same page when Whiz was OC in Pittsburgh so I don't think it would be AZ trading for him. Ben's image has been damaged but maybe a QB-starved team would give up a 1 and a 3.

(PS: those saying Romo is better are nuts)

 

[QuizGuy66]

I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.

Guess he'd have to poop in a laundry basket for the Packers to consider him.-QG

 

[Menace]

Minn. or Ariz would be good places for Ben

 

[Steeler]

One of the Pittsburgh beat writers mentioned the Rams as a possible destination since the Steelers are "considering all their options".

Would the Rams rather have Ben or Bradford? I guess it depends on how many picks they'd have to give up for Ben, but lets just say its this year's first, next year's first and a 3rd (this year or next).

 

[Godsbrother]

One of the Pittsburgh beat writers mentioned the Rams as a possible destination since the Steelers are "considering all their options".Would the Rams rather have Ben or Bradford? I guess it depends on how many picks they'd have to give up for Ben, but lets just say its this year's first, next year's first and a 3rd (this year or next).

I don't think the Rams would have to offer that much to get Roethlisberger. I think the Steelers would probably take this year's 1st to get rid of him.

 

[Traders2001]

I would nt want a sick man like Ben Rothlisberger on my team .

It's written in big letters that he will do it over and over again until he finds one girl he wont be able to buy out . N o no Ben on my team if i am a owner.

 

[Godsbrother]

What is the general criteria for the Steelers if they put Big Ben on the block1) Who would offer the most compensation outside the AFC North? 2 ) Where is Big Ben likely to play the Steelers the least even still 3) What is the franchise that could cause Big Ben to possibly fail the most ( NFL teams do not want to trade elite players in their prime and have them succeed on other franchises. No one on the Steelers would want a rookie struggling QB prospect and Big Ben throwing 4 TDs a game for some other team and having the press there ask, "What if Big Ben was still here?")

I think at this point the only criteria important for the Steelers would be #1: How much can they get and make sure he doesn't land with the Browns (The Bengals and Ravens are set at QB). I really, really believe that if the Rams offered their #1 pick today the Steelers would jump on it and take Suh and roll the dice with Dixon.

 

[heidbrink]

One of the Pittsburgh beat writers mentioned the Rams as a possible destination since the Steelers are "considering all their options".Would the Rams rather have Ben or Bradford? I guess it depends on how many picks they'd have to give up for Ben, but lets just say its this year's first, next year's first and a 3rd (this year or next).

I don't think the Rams would have to offer that much to get Roethlisberger. I think the Steelers would probably take this year's 1st to get rid of him.

I don't think there is any way the Rams would give up that much either considering that they just passed on McNabb for much less..just a second or possibly even a third rounder. Why would they want the baggage at that price? The Rams seem to think they're getting the next "big thing" in Bradford. I think IF he gets traded he goes for much less.

 

[CrossEyed]

The Packers would probably trade Rodgers and like a future 1st or something.

Sold.

 

[Ned]

Mike Vick?

 

[Godsbrother]

One of the Pittsburgh beat writers mentioned the Rams as a possible destination since the Steelers are "considering all their options".Would the Rams rather have Ben or Bradford? I guess it depends on how many picks they'd have to give up for Ben, but lets just say its this year's first, next year's first and a 3rd (this year or next).

I don't think the Rams would have to offer that much to get Roethlisberger. I think the Steelers would probably take this year's 1st to get rid of him.

I don't think there is any way the Rams would give up that much either considering that they just passed on McNabb for much less..just a second or possibly even a third rounder. Why would they want the baggage at that price? The Rams seem to think they're getting the next "big thing" in Bradford. I think IF he gets traded he goes for much less.

Well if the Steelers accepted less than a #1 (maybe a 2 & 3) the Rams could trade for Roethlisberger AND take Suh in the first round. From a football perspective it makes a lot more sense than risking a ton of money on Bradford.

 

[heidbrink]

One of the Pittsburgh beat writers mentioned the Rams as a possible destination since the Steelers are "considering all their options".Would the Rams rather have Ben or Bradford? I guess it depends on how many picks they'd have to give up for Ben, but lets just say its this year's first, next year's first and a 3rd (this year or next).

I don't think the Rams would have to offer that much to get Roethlisberger. I think the Steelers would probably take this year's 1st to get rid of him.

I don't think there is any way the Rams would give up that much either considering that they just passed on McNabb for much less..just a second or possibly even a third rounder. Why would they want the baggage at that price? The Rams seem to think they're getting the next "big thing" in Bradford. I think IF he gets traded he goes for much less.

Well if the Steelers accepted less than a #1 (maybe a 2 & 3) the Rams could trade for Roethlisberger AND take Suh in the first round. From a football perspective it makes a lot more sense than risking a ton of money on Bradford.

I'll take it! Personally, I'm in the Suh camp anyway.

 

[ScottyFargo]

The Packers would probably trade Rodgers and like a future 1st or something.

This is a joke, right?

 

[Kenny Powers]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

First of all, he didnt know she was under-age. Second of all, she was under-age to drink, not to get railed by a 28 year old....third of all, all the people saying Romo is better than Roeth is :X

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just a RUMOR, but a lot of talk around Pittsburgh that the Rams are offering their #1 and maybe more for Roethlisberger.

I think the only reason the Steelers wouldnt do this if it did come to fruition is because theyre too cheap to want the #1 overall pick

 

[CR69]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

First of all, he didnt know she was under-age. Second of all, she was under-age to drink, not to get railed by a 28 year old....third of all, all the people saying Romo is better than Roeth is

Yeah there's no difference between a serial rapist and a guy who has a thing for blondes. Your post is

 

[Godsbrother]

Just a RUMOR, but a lot of talk around Pittsburgh that the Rams are offering their #1 and maybe more for Roethlisberger.I think the only reason the Steelers wouldnt do this if it did come to fruition is because theyre too cheap to want the #1 overall pick

I don't blame the Steelers for not wanting to throw #1 money at an unproven rookie. Having said that, I think the Steelers would definitely consider a #1 for Roethlisberger at this point. I could be totally wrong but I am thinking the desire to distance themselves from Big Ben is running pretty high right now.

 

[Godsbrother]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

First of all, he didnt know she was under-age. Second of all, she was under-age to drink, not to get railed by a 28 year old....third of all, all the people saying Romo is better than Roeth is

Yeah there's no difference between a serial rapist and a guy who has a thing for blondes. Your post is

Roethlisberger is a scumbag but calling him a serial rapist is extreme. As far as the law is concern he has a cleaner record than a lot of the people criticizing him.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I'm totally creeped out by the story told by the DA and honestly think my rooting for the Steelers will be tempered by having Ben under center... so what the heck, lets discuss this unlikely possibility.

What could the Steelers get in a trade for Ben?

Good lord. Really? You're "totally creeped out" by a rich, famous, not so handsome dude getting laid by a drunk sorority girl in a bar bathroom?

Yeah, the fact that he has to resort to taking advantage of really drunk under aged chicks at a bar is creepy

First of all, he didnt know she was under-age. Second of all, she was under-age to drink, not to get railed by a 28 year old....third of all, all the people saying Romo is better than Roeth is

Yeah there's no difference between a serial rapist and a guy who has a thing for blondes. Your post is

serial rapist?! he wasnt even being accused of rape in this case, let alone being actually charged for it

 

[Kenny Powers]

Just a RUMOR, but a lot of talk around Pittsburgh that the Rams are offering their #1 and maybe more for Roethlisberger.

I think the only reason the Steelers wouldnt do this if it did come to fruition is because theyre too cheap to want the #1 overall pick

I don't blame the Steelers for not wanting to throw #1 money at an unproven rookie. Having said that, I think the Steelers would definitely consider a #1 for Roethlisberger at this point. I could be totally wrong but I am thinking the desire to distance themselves from Big Ben is running pretty high right now.

I wouldnt blame them either. If he would have to be traded in their eyes, that is probably the best they could do. Id love to get Suh, but having Dixon as our starting QB instead of Roeth makes me feel uneasy.

 

[Godsbrother]

Just a RUMOR, but a lot of talk around Pittsburgh that the Rams are offering their #1 and maybe more for Roethlisberger.

I think the only reason the Steelers wouldnt do this if it did come to fruition is because theyre too cheap to want the #1 overall pick

I don't blame the Steelers for not wanting to throw #1 money at an unproven rookie. Having said that, I think the Steelers would definitely consider a #1 for Roethlisberger at this point. I could be totally wrong but I am thinking the desire to distance themselves from Big Ben is running pretty high right now.

I wouldnt blame them either. If he would have to be traded in their eyes, that is probably the best they could do. Id love to get Suh, but having Dixon as our starting QB instead of Roeth makes me feel uneasy.

No doubt. I am not sold on Dixon and I don't think the Steelers are either. The very idea of dumping a 2-time Super Bowl champion and one of the top 5 QBs in the game for a guy that has only started 1 NFL game is ridiculous but it is a situation the Steelers find themselves in.My guess is that it won't come to this. Roethlisberger will be suspended a few games and the Steelers will ride out the storm hoping that Big Ben has finally wised up. If he can stay out of trouble for a few years and maybe win a championship along the way then perhaps this scandal will fad from the memory of most fans.

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[Mikey16x]

Less problems?