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Hypothetical: Roethlisberger trade (1 Viewer)

People are delusional to think anyone is going to give up a first rounder in this year's draft for Big Ben and all his problems. I am guessing someone would take a chance with a second rounder this year and a conditional 2nd/3rd again next year if he stays out of trouble. I think a lot of teams would pass because most want their QB to be the face of their organization. I too think we may not see Ben as a Steeler this year even if he is traded away for next to nothing.
That's just dopey and I would hope the Steelers don't subscribe to your way of thinking when it comes to Ben's future.Maybe the right thing to do is NOTHING until the draft and things settle down a bit?? The girl will probably change her story...again.If the Steelers trade him for what you suggest is his "going rate" i'll wash your care weekly for a year. They're not dumb so it won't come to that...so your car will be as dirty as it ever was..
I don't think this is a situation that the Steelers are dumb if they trade him. I just don't think the owners want him to be the face of their organization. I agree that they may very well just let this try and die down. If no one else surfaces with more claims, maybe they can get Ben on the right track. But a few more allegations surface, then what? From what I have heard a lot of the town has already turned on him. Is he going to be boo'd at home everytime he snaps the ball? What happens if the team wins with Dixon under center while Ben is suspended? Based on tons of people seeing Ben always partying, is it reasonable to expect him to be on his best behavior going forward? The team already showed they will get rid of bad character guys by shipping Holmes for a loaf of bread. I think the big question right now is what teams would even consider trading for Ben for even a second rounder. I think if they did they would do some serious background investigating based on what has surfaced lately. And even if they don't actually find the sexual misconduct, but see a pattern of this guy getting drunk nearly every night during the offseason, is that who you want leading your team? This guy had better grow up fast or he won't be long for this league regardless of his talent level.
 
I love the naivety.

Ben gets drunk every night as a 20-something year old multi-millionaire?

LOL. 2/3 of the population does that and are unemployed. Who didn't do that as a 20-something yr old?

I've been vocal about calling a-munches out, but I'll go on record as saying that Ben is as dumb as it gets for someone in his position (young, rich successful) and needs to get taught a lesson with a suspension....but this has unraveled in a way I could have never imagined.... with only speculation and hearsay (and the egging on of fthe geniuses you can see following these threads like vultures over roadkill.). I guess it's payback from all the Belicheat stuff? Karma is a beyotch.

 
I actually think you could get quite a bit. There are several owners and fan bases out there that wouldn't bat an eye at this kind of scandel. Maybe the Cowboys for Romo and a 2nd rounder or something. Or a couple first rounders from the Raiders. The Bengals would probably give you their entire 2010 draft and a 1st rounder next year for the priveledge of adding a scumbag of this caliber to their collection.
LOL at the idea that the Cowboys would trade Romo for Roethlisberger. Not a chance.
How bout Romo for Big Ben & Jessica Simpson has to become Ben's vacation partner.... you gotta throw a Bimbo in there somewhere
Jessica said yes to a Cowboy? She'll say yes to anyone.Sorry, but assuming Jessica agrees to the trade, that scenario would be consensual and Ben doesn't roll like that.
 
He takes more dumb sacks than any quarterback I've ever seen.
You clearly didn't see Rodgers play last year.
Rodgers was taking lots of dumb sacks last year, but they were also playing with a terrible O Line. Big Ben has been doing it since he came into the league.I agree with DD, I think its probably a second rounder now. I would expect there is a fair chance at a suspension, and combined with the allegations and his giant contract, there ain't no way they are going to get fair trade value for him. To GordoGekko...Comparing Big Ben to Cutler is ridiculous, there is no way a team would trade anything near what Denver got for Roethlisberger right now. Cutler was being called childish and immature, Roethlisberger is being accused of sexual misconduct with four different women. From what has been released, its unclear if he did anything illegal, but he sure as hell is a scumbag. Convictions aren't needed to make a long suspension, I do believe that at the time of Pacman's long suspension he hadn't been convicted of anything.
 
I love the naivety.

Ben gets drunk every night as a 20-something year old multi-millionaire?

LOL. 2/3 of the population does that and are unemployed. Who didn't do that as a 20-something yr old?
I guess it's payback from all the Belicheat stuff? Karma is a beyotch.
Some real solid justifications there for what Roethlisberger has done. Keep up the good work.
 
GordonGekko said:
I don't think this is a situation that the Steelers are dumb if they trade him. I just don't think the owners want him to be the face of their organization. I agree that they may very well just let this try and die down. If no one else surfaces with more claims, maybe they can get Ben on the right track. But a few more allegations surface, then what? From what I have heard a lot of the town has already turned on him. Is he going to be boo'd at home everytime he snaps the ball? What happens if the team wins with Dixon under center while Ben is suspended? Based on tons of people seeing Ben always partying, is it reasonable to expect him to be on his best behavior going forward? The team already showed they will get rid of bad character guys by shipping Holmes for a loaf of bread. I think the big question right now is what teams would even consider trading for Ben for even a second rounder. I think if they did they would do some serious background investigating based on what has surfaced lately. And even if they don't actually find the sexual misconduct, but see a pattern of this guy getting drunk nearly every night during the offseason, is that who you want leading your team? This guy had better grow up fast or he won't be long for this league regardless of his talent level.
Wow, Dodds, I have to say I'm actually pretty disappointed. I don't really see much of an attempt on your part to try to be objective.

Points I wish you did cover or at least tried to, for the sake of objectivity

1) The reality that talented players are often given multiple opportunities in the NFL with multiple franchises when they have off the field issues that are problematic. Big Ben has had exactly one team. At minimum, at the very least, he will be given a chance by at least one more franchise in his NFL career if the Steelers don't want him.

2) The contrast and parallels that might be in play considering how the Steelers handled the James Harrison and Cedric Wilson issues. ( Harrison got to stay and Wilson was cut)

3) Professional sports scandals, all of them, tend to die down with time. ( i.e. the Kobe Bryant situation)

4) Multiple franchises in the NFL have lost their franchise starter at some point and have struggled to find a replacement ( Denver after Elway, Miami after Marino, Buffalo after Jim Kelly, etc) While VROP is essentially a baseball concept, the reality is what is Big Ben's contributions above the average? What is the likelihood that the Steelers can replace him and how does that factor in their decision?

5) With Holmes, you fail to differentiate the opportunity/likelihood/odds of replacing a WR versus a franchise QB. You are comparing players at two different positions that hold different values within the NFL.

6) That the Jay Cutler/Bears/Broncos trade should/could be the starting point for any hypothetical trade. The NFL is like any other business, there is a clearly defined market for a players value and that's generally relative to his peers and their production and compensation. You aren't even giving any reasons besides hearsay as to why the Cutler trade won't be the benchmark to start.

7) The fact that the Steelers haven't let Big Ben go, as of yet, IS an indicator of his value. ( While his trade value might be lower than what it would normally be, the reality is, even tarnished, he may hold more value to the Steelers than anyone else)

8) The reality that it only takes two teams ( or even just one team with the perception of another team's heavy interest i.e. the Redskins Effect ) to drive up the trade price of a player.

9) The reality that even if a team isn't interested, it may behoove them to feign interest to drive up the price for any team in their division who might trade for Big Ben ( i.e. the Yankees/Red Sox Effect)

10) The reality that Big Ben has not, as of yet, been convicted of any crime and how that impacts what the NFL can and can't do to him in that regard. Also the impact of the CBA ( do teams want to trade for a guy with a contract that size before a lockout?) and whether Big Ben and any discipline would end up as a sticking point for DeMaurice Smith ( looking to make his bones) and Roger Goodell ( established a separation from the Tags era with an emphasis on discipline) in a much larger matter.

Big Ben's actual trade value is a complex matter. It doesn't just tank on hearsay and the possibility that you just might not like the guy on a personal level.

Sorry, Dodds, I just expect more. I hope you do too next time.
You wish he'd written a feature-length article on inane tangents instead of having an opinion on the matter at hand? :mellow:
 
At least one pro football reporter — Jason La Canfora of NFL.com — claims the Steelers would love to trade Roethlisberger to St. Louis for the No. 1 overall pick in next week’s draft.

La Canfora claims the Steelers would love to have former Oklahoma star Sam Bradford, a special talent with a squeaky-clean image, to be their new QB.
linkLaCanfora was also on the NFL Network today saying there are multiple people in the Steelers front office who would like to trade Roethlisberger.

 
fatness said:
At least one pro football reporter — Jason La Canfora of NFL.com — claims the Steelers would love to trade Roethlisberger to St. Louis for the No. 1 overall pick in next week’s draft.

La Canfora claims the Steelers would love to have former Oklahoma star Sam Bradford, a special talent with a squeaky-clean image, to be their new QB.
linkLaCanfora was also on the NFL Network today saying there are multiple people in the Steelers front office who would like to trade Roethlisberger.
They should have held on to Santonio and offered them as a package...dumb and dumber.
 

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