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Hypothetical Scenario - Trump Refuses To Step Down After A Loss (1 Viewer)

In the scenario below, what percent chance do you think Trump accepts the ruling of the Supreme Cour

  • 100% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 41 42.7%
  • 90% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • 80% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • 70% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • 60% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 1 1.0%
  • 50% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 8 8.3%
  • 40% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 2 2.1%
  • 30% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • 20% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 3 3.1%
  • 10% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 6 6.3%
  • 0% Chance He Concedes

    Votes: 20 20.8%

  • Total voters
    96
For the folks voting anything less than 80% chance he concedes in the hypothetical scenario, can you elaborate in detail:

1. Do you really think this? 

2. Why do you think this?

Thanks
I voted 50%.    Mostly because I think he is a child and will never admit to a loss.  He will claim everything he can to not have to claim, but because he is a baby, even if every challenge loses, he still wont concede to another candidate.

 
I didn't see an option where he concedes the day after the election calling for "unity".... then immediately starts a "resistance campaign" and then speaks incessantly about how he was robbed and how foreign "bad actors" conspired to steal the election from him....maybe even having a toady release just enough false information to seat a Special Counsel to investigate the winner and everything he (she) has done his (her) entire life.

Nah...it wouldn't work without the MSM on his side and delivering non-stop "news" saying that it really happened.

 
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I didn't see an option where he concedes the day after the election calling for "unity".... then immediately starts a "resistance campaign" and then speaks incessantly about how he was robbed and how foreign "bad actors" conspired to steal the election from him....maybe even having a toady release just enough false information to seat a Special Counsel to investigate the winner and everything he (she) has done his (her) entire life.

Nah...it wouldn't work without the MSM on his side and delivering non-stop "news" saying that it really happened.
Well, in fairness, you won't see an option like that from someone seeking genuine dialogue and asking a hypothetical question like the one Joe asked.  I'm not sure why you'd expect this sort of stuff from the owner of the board. :shrug:  

 
Well, in fairness, you won't see an option like that from someone seeking genuine dialogue and asking a hypothetical question like the one Joe asked.  I'm not sure why you'd expect this sort of stuff from the owner of the board. :shrug:  
Because of the absolute hypocrisy of the Left...and I am just not talking about the politicians of the Left.

Pre-November 8, 2016 we were inundated with "news" stories telling us how Trump might not accept the results of the election and how it "was a direct assault on our democracy".
Refresh our memory of what transpired...beginning on November 9, 2016....and it has continued....to this day.

Why go posting hypothetical polls about whether or not President Trump would have a problem stepping down when recently, it has been more than a few Democrat candidates have had trouble merely stepping aside after losing an election?

Republicans don't have a history of this juvenile behavior....Democrats do.

 
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Because of the absolute hypocrisy of the Left...and I am just not talking about the politicians of the Left.

Pre-November 8, 2016 we were inundated with "news" stories telling us how Trump might not accept the results of the election and how it "was a direct assault on our democracy".
Refresh our memory of what transpired...beginning on November 9, 2016....and it has continued....to this day.

Why go posting polls about whether or not President Trump would have a problem stepping down when more than a few Democrat candidates have had trouble merely stepping aside after losing an election?

Republicans don't have a history of this juvenile behavior....Democrats do.
What?

 
Because of the absolute hypocrisy of the Left...and I am just not talking about the politicians of the Left.

Pre-November 8, 2016 we were inundated with "news" stories telling us how Trump might not accept the results of the election and how it "was a direct assault on our democracy".
Refresh our memory of what transpired...beginning on November 9, 2016....and it has continued....to this day.

Why go posting polls about whether or not President Trump would have a problem stepping down when more than a few Democrat candidates have had trouble merely stepping aside after losing an election?

Republicans don't have a history of this juvenile behavior....Democrats do.
Well it would help if Trump would stop dropping hints about it.  He's done it twice 3 times now.   :shrug:

 
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Well it would help if Trump would stop dropping hints about it.  He's done it twice now.   :shrug:
...and people, such as yourself, others on this board, and the MSM...have bitten on it....twice three times.

It would also help if the Republicans had a history of disputing election results.

People usually suspect that anyone else would do what they, themselves would do.

 
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Because of the absolute hypocrisy of the Left...and I am just not talking about the politicians of the Left.

Pre-November 8, 2016 we were inundated with "news" stories telling us how Trump might not accept the results of the election and how it "was a direct assault on our democracy".
Refresh our memory of what transpired...beginning on November 9, 2016....and it has continued....to this day.

Why go posting hypothetical polls about whether or not President Trump would have a problem stepping down when recently, it has been more than a few Democrat candidates have had trouble merely stepping aside after losing an election?

Republicans don't have a history of this juvenile behavior....Democrats do.
No one has refused to step aside after losing an election.

 
Well, in fairness, you won't see an option like that from someone seeking genuine dialogue and asking a hypothetical question like the one Joe asked.  I'm not sure why you'd expect this sort of stuff from the owner of the board. :shrug:  
Because of the absolute hypocrisy of the Left...and I am just not talking about the politicians of the Left.

Pre-November 8, 2016 we were inundated with "news" stories telling us how Trump might not accept the results of the election and how it "was a direct assault on our democracy".
Refresh our memory of what transpired...beginning on November 9, 2016....and it has continued....to this day.

Why go posting hypothetical polls about whether or not President Trump would have a problem stepping down when recently, it has been more than a few Democrat candidates have had trouble merely stepping aside after losing an election?

Republicans don't have a history of this juvenile behavior....Democrats do.
But that's not Joe....Joe's the one that asked the question and I'm confident he asked it in a genuine manner.  I am confident in that because of what he asked and how he asked it.  It might do you some good to assign the behavior to the individuals exhibiting the behavior rather than EVERYONE you merely perceived to be on the opposite "side" of you.  Incidentally, that recommendation flows both ways.  You won't, but it's worth a shot to suggest it.

 
That's right....so why think that President Trump wouldn't?
Well, this is easy.  He provides a plethora of rocks for the conspiracy theorists that believe this sort of thing to hide behind.  There are mounds of suggestive comments, actions, attacks on the process, attacks on the media for unfair elections etc that would lead one to believe he wouldn't take a "loss" all that well.  I'm only 44 years old, so this may have happened with a prior President, but none come to mind in my years on this planet.  Let's not pretend Trump's actions are normal or typical of a sitting President.  He's pretty unique in many regards.  This is one of them.  Let's not pretend otherwise. For me it's less than 1% chance he'd fight it, but I wouldn't be shocked if he did.  It's a 100% guarantee he'd whine about losing until he died.

 
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Well, this is easy.  He provides a plethora of rocks for the conspiracy theorists that believe this sort of thing to hide behind.  There are mounds of suggestive comments, actions, attacks on the process, attacks on the media for unfair elections etc that would lead one to believe he wouldn't take a "loss" all that well.  I'm only 44 years old, so this may have happened with a prior President, but none come to mind in my years on this planet.  Let's not pretend Trump's actions are normal or typical of a sitting President.  He's pretty unique in many regards.  This is one of them.  Let's not pretend otherwise.
Owning the Libs is the goal.

 
Well, this is easy.  He provides a plethora of rocks for the conspiracy theorists that believe this sort of thing to hide behind.  There are mounds of suggestive comments, actions, attacks on the process, attacks on the media for unfair elections etc that would lead one to believe he wouldn't take a "loss" all that well.  I'm only 44 years old, so this may have happened with a prior President, but none come to mind in my years on this planet.  Let's not pretend Trump's actions are normal or typical of a sitting President.  He's pretty unique in many regards.  This is one of them.  Let's not pretend otherwise.
Pure conjecture.

Just like he wouldn't have a "magic wand" to wave to bring back all those jobs that were lost.

 
It would be madness for anyone to refuse to hold elections or to try to stay in office after defeat.  Millions would march on Washington to take back the People's House.  It would be bedlam.
The only ones who think that it is possible are the Trump Haters.

 
Well of course it's a guess.  It hasn't happened yet.  That's the whole point of a hypothetical :lmao:  
Another "hypothetical" would be...."how much better would things be now if President Trump hasn't had to fight the MSM and their 97% negative coverage along with the defeated Democrats for the past two years?"

Hypothetically...."Where would we be if, for the past year, Congress would be legislating to fix our immigration laws rather than trying to stop President Trump in his reelection?"

These haven't happened yet either....but nobody here wants to talk about them.

 
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Opie said:
Another "hypothetical" would be...."how much better would things be now if President Trump hasn't had to fight the MSM and their 97% negative coverage along with the defeated Democrats for the past two years?"

That hasn't happened yet either.
Well, that can't really happen until he's been battling the Democrats for two years.  It's only been 4-5 months that he's been battling the Dems.  Prior to that his party controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency. :shrug:  

 
Its amazing that the media could prevent the president from doing his job. But then we've never had one so thin-skinned that he couldn't ignore it and just run the country.  :lmao:

 
Its amazing that the media could prevent the president from doing his job. But then we've never had one so thin-skinned that he couldn't ignore it and just run the country.  :lmao:
....and we haven't had a media with a more bias agenda since the Southern Media of the 1860s

It used to be that the MSM reported the news....they didn't try to invent the "news".

 
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Well, no, some Trump supporters also think it is possible.  
Anything is possible.  Some things are even probable....like Trump winning reelection...and that is what will be the main concern of the MSM for the next two years

 
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....and we haven't had a media with a more bias agenda since the Southern Media of the 1860s

It used to be that the MSM reported the new....they didn't try to make the news.
Are we talking about the documented, direct influence FoxNews and the opinion portion of their programming has had on him or something else?  Let's keep in mind billions were slated to be appropriated to southern border security until the :hophead:  at FoxNews started calling him names.  There was a bipartisan bill ready for signing.  

Or are we talking about something else?  As a peon in this country, I manage to ignore our MSM almost entirely.  It shouldn't be difficult for a President with such abilities as a business man to do the same, yet here we are :shrug:  

 
Are we talking about the documented, direct influence FoxNews and the opinion portion of their programming has had on him or something else?  Let's keep in mind billions were slated to be appropriated to southern border security until the :hophead:  at FoxNews started calling him names.  There was a bipartisan bill ready for signing.  

Or are we talking about something else?  As a peon in this country, I manage to ignore our MSM almost entirely.  It shouldn't be difficult for a President with such abilities as a business man to do the same, yet here we are :shrug:  
You see...that's the big difference.  FOX has an "opinion portion" of their programming.

Other members of the MSM put their opinions dictate how they report what they call "news".
Their "opinions" are reported as "facts".

 
You see...that's the big difference.  FOX has an "opinion portion" of their programming.

Other members of the MSM put their opinions dictate how they report what they call "news".
Their "opinions" are reported as "facts".
Meh....last I watched any of it, they were all set up the same way.  It was all mixed together and they intentionally conflate the two for ratings.  I'm confident it's still that way all around.  The irony of this is FoxNews was so successful at doing this (evidence being their ratings) that the others began to follow suit and blur the lines like them.  Playing follow the leader like that leads to a national echo chamber of absurdity that a lot of you can't seem to get out of or don't really want to get out of.  I'm sure that answer varies from one person to the next.

 
Saying that "anything is possible" does not make me leaning one way or another.

Me voting, 100% Chance he Concedes...does.
"Only" above is doing a lot of work...perhaps a rephrase is in order.  Otherwise they are two contradictory statements when coming from a Trump supporter :shrug:  

 
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Anything is possible.  Some things are even probable....like Trump winning reelection...and that is what will be the main concern of the MSM for the next two years
You need to be concerned with what concerns you. The Senate is abdicating its constitutional responsibility.

Given that what could this or any president not get away with illegally?

 
You see...that's the big difference.  FOX has an "opinion portion" of their programming.

Other members of the MSM put their opinions dictate how they report what they call "news".
Their "opinions" are reported as "facts".
So, the opinions of those that run Fox are separate, distinct and segregated from their news reporting and never bleed into or influence it. However, unlike FOX, the MSM report their opinions as facts.

Okie Dokie Opie. If you say so...

 
FOX has an "opinion portion" of their programming.

Other members of the MSM put their opinions dictate how they report what they call "news".
You should pay closer to attention to what Hannity and Carlson actually say. They both discuss investigations as breaking news and revelation of facts in their programs. Hannity has, under Trump, outright called himself a journalist.

 
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Opie:  No offense but it seems like you're getting really worked up over a "hypothetical scenario".   Maybe take a couple of plays off?

 
Henry Ford said:
It would be madness for anyone to refuse to hold elections or to try to stay in office after defeat.  Millions would march on Washington to take back the People's House.  It would be bedlam.
Millions should be marching on Washington months ago. 

 
Trump did not accept the 2016 results. When he expected to lose, he preemptively spoke of rigging. Even after he'd won, he made up a story about millions of illegal votes being cast against him.

Win or lose, he will not accept the 2020 results, either.

But it's not up to him. If he loses, he will have no choice but to step down. Even if he personally wishes to nullify the election, he is powerless to do so. It is vaguely possible that Lindsey Graham, Sarah Sanders, and Sean Hannity would go along with Trump in denying the outcome, but the courts and the military generals will not. I don't think I'm being overoptimistic in thinking that this is not worth worrying about at all.

(What is worth worrying about is protecting the integrity of the election beforehand.)

 
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In that scenario, what percent chance do you think Trump accepts the ruling of the Supreme Court and concedes as he's supposed to?
It depends on what you mean by "concedes." I think there is roughly a 0% chance that he'll say, "I concede that I lost the election fair and square." But I also think there is about a 0% chance that he'll take concrete, effective steps to remain in power.

 
Opie said:
That's right....so why think that President Trump wouldn't?

Only someone with a certain affliction that cannot be named, would think this.
He did say he wouldn't accept the election results if he lost in 2016.  I realize he is a pathological liar, but if someone says they are going to do something awful we should at least prepare for him to do it.  

I voted 90% because I trust our institutions, but McConnell's behavior over the last 10 years combined with one of the most outspoken Republicans on this topic dying and the other most outspoken Republican transforming into Trump's Reek make it difficult for me to vote 100%.  If it were an option I would have gone 95%.

 
I think his odds of conceding are tied to the odds of him getting shellacked in 2020. If he is absolutely destroyed in the voting, I think even trump would concede. 10%? 20%? I think it’s likely he loses, but I have no idea whether it will be close or not.

As for him leaving office after a loss? 99.99%. You can’t account for everything, so I don’t want to say 100%, but he will be leaving office when his term is done.

 
If I were managing Trump's Campaign (shiver), I'd push this to the front. I'd have Sean Hannity ask him this point blank and answer clearly with no waffling or wiggle room. If the Supreme Court deems it so on the election, it's so. You Constitutionguys can correct me on this. If that's how it is, that's how I'd say it. And take all the air out of the people like Nancy Pelosi saying this. 
Why would you believe him? He's reneged on so many verbal promises at this point, anything he says now would have absolutely no bearing in 2020.

 

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