I am being called a cheater (1 Viewer)

[AcerFC]

[vent]This is more of a vent then anything else because I have been flat out accused of cheating and it is something that I have never done in all of my years of playing this game.[/vent]

Most of you know that I have been wracking my head against a wall about trading my number 1 pick. See the transcript of it here.

So this morning I get offered a deal I dont think I can turn down. This was offered to me. I trade my 1st rounder (1), my 8th, 9th and 11th for his 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th (He picks 2nd so I would have 4 in a row for rounds 2-3 and 4-5). I toss and turn all day about the deal because I really dont want to trade Arod and his production but I feel like I have to take it. I accept and this is the email I get

no way.

Russ, in the constitution you set up online (yes, I read the whole damn thing), you put in there that trades will be reviewed for collusion, and then put that the comittee that will do the reviewing is you and you alone. Well, this is collusion of the highest degree and I am vetoing this trade. There is no way that anybody but the guy running the league has a shot at winning when that guy has 2 picks in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, & 5th rounds. And on top of that, that gives you 4 picks in a row at the end of the 2nd and end of the 4th. There are a ton of guys out there at every position that are just as good as each other, so losing a first round pick to get multiple picks in those rounds ensures you will win the league. This is completely unfair and this trade cannot go through.

I am also going to save you the time of writing a retort syaing that you feel its fair and the trade is final because I don't intend to check my email again until just before I go to bed or possibly when I wake up in the morning. If this trade is not vetoed, have fun reconfiguring the schedule and payouts because you will have yourself an 11 team league.

-Mike

Now regardless of whether the you feel the trade is balanced/unbalanced, this was offered to me and there is absolutely no collusion going on. In the constitution the only reason to overturn a trade is collusion. I wrote the guy back and told him not to come so there could be an open spot in a league if anyone is interested (semi kidding, hoping I dont need you)

 

[ceo3west]

I personally never liked trading of draft picks within a league. You have a huge advantage with that deal, regardless of whether or not it was offered to you or if you had offered it. You can go by the book if you choose (as it appears to be a league rule that it's ok), but for the sake of having a competitive league I would politely decline, especially as commish. I wouldn't feel good about winning the title having all those extra early picks. You may be upset, but if I were you I would do the right thing - decline the trade.

 

[shadyridr]

Is the guy you traded with a monkey?

 

[AcerFC]

I personally never liked trading of draft picks within a league. You have a huge advantage with that deal, regardless of whether or not it was offered to you or if you had offered it. You can go by the book if you choose (as it appears to be a league rule that it's ok), but for the sake of having a competitive league I would politely decline, especially as commish. I wouldn't feel good about winning the title having all those extra early picks. You may be upset, but if I were you I would do the right thing - decline the trade.

I hear what you are saying but if you base the deal on last years draft and the numbers that those guys put up, this trade has me up less then 250 points and Arod was taken 4th and scored 300 points more then the number 1 guy. I know you cant swap Arod for Pujols in this case but if you did, then the guy actually has the advantage over me.

 

[AcerFC]

I looked at it objectively and decided to put it to a league vote at the draft tomorrow. We will do what he league wants. But I kicked the guy out of my league for calling me a cheater. I dont care if it was an over reaction. I am still fired up about it

 

[meeka]

I looked at it objectively and decided to put it to a league vote at the draft tomorrow. We will do what he league wants. But I kicked the guy out of my league for calling me a cheater. I dont care if it was an over reaction. I am still fired up about it

You kicked him out of the league! Wow, that is some thin skin there. The dude was upset because a bad trade happened in your league. Cut him some slack. I would be pretty upset if there was a trade that gave another team that big a competitive advantage before the draft even starts.

 

[AcerFC]

I looked at it objectively and decided to put it to a league vote at the draft tomorrow. We will do what he league wants. But I kicked the guy out of my league for calling me a cheater. I dont care if it was an over reaction. I am still fired up about it

You kicked him out of the league! Wow, that is some thin skin there. The dude was upset because a bad trade happened in your league. Cut him some slack. I would be pretty upset if there was a trade that gave another team that big a competitive advantage before the draft even starts.

He could have said that and not called me a cheater or threatened to pull out of the league at the last second making it impossible to find an owner. I have a big problem being called a cheater. Its not like he called me a bad name. This is something that I take seriously and if he feels that I cheat then he doesnt need to be in the league. If he said what you said, I have no problems with it

 

[meeka]

I looked at it objectively and decided to put it to a league vote at the draft tomorrow. We will do what he league wants. But I kicked the guy out of my league for calling me a cheater. I dont care if it was an over reaction. I am still fired up about it

You kicked him out of the league! Wow, that is some thin skin there. The dude was upset because a bad trade happened in your league. Cut him some slack. I would be pretty upset if there was a trade that gave another team that big a competitive advantage before the draft even starts.

He could have said that and not called me a cheater or threatened to pull out of the league at the last second making it impossible to find an owner. I have a big problem being called a cheater. Its not like he called me a bad name. This is something that I take seriously and if he feels that I cheat then he doesnt need to be in the league. If he said what you said, I have no problems with it

Fair enough. I guess if he was childish enough to threaten to quite then he may have had it coming. Do you have someone to take his place?

 

[AcerFC]

I looked at it objectively and decided to put it to a league vote at the draft tomorrow. We will do what he league wants. But I kicked the guy out of my league for calling me a cheater. I dont care if it was an over reaction. I am still fired up about it

You kicked him out of the league! Wow, that is some thin skin there. The dude was upset because a bad trade happened in your league. Cut him some slack. I would be pretty upset if there was a trade that gave another team that big a competitive advantage before the draft even starts.

He could have said that and not called me a cheater or threatened to pull out of the league at the last second making it impossible to find an owner. I have a big problem being called a cheater. Its not like he called me a bad name. This is something that I take seriously and if he feels that I cheat then he doesnt need to be in the league. If he said what you said, I have no problems with it

Fair enough. I guess if he was childish enough to threaten to quite then he may have had it coming. Do you have someone to take his place?

Not yet but I have calls in to a couple of people

 

[awesomeness]

I personally never liked trading of draft picks within a league. You have a huge advantage with that deal, regardless of whether or not it was offered to you or if you had offered it. You can go by the book if you choose (as it appears to be a league rule that it's ok), but for the sake of having a competitive league I would politely decline, especially as commish. I wouldn't feel good about winning the title having all those extra early picks. You may be upset, but if I were you I would do the right thing - decline the trade.

I hear what you are saying but if you base the deal on last years draft and the numbers that those guys put up, this trade has me up less then 250 points and Arod was taken 4th and scored 300 points more then the number 1 guy. I know you cant swap Arod for Pujols in this case but if you did, then the guy actually has the advantage over me.

I find that when a person feels the need to explain how the person he is trading with is getting a good deal by doing the trade, it is usually an unfair trade.

 

[Knightro]

Trade vetoes should only be allowed when blatant collusion can be proven. Owners should not be protected from their own stupidity.

 

[daddymag]

All good points and yes the dude overreacted a little bit but I would have a hard time saying I wouldn't have done the same thing. IMO it is a huge competitive imbalance trade. Would surprise me if the other owners didn't feel similarly. Unfortunately the fact that the recipient of the trade is the commish makes it look worse. I agree with you that it sucks to be called a cheater especially as the commish, you can't have that in a league. Perhaps the guy who most deserves to leave the league is the "monkey" who offered you the trade in the first place.

 

[John Rambo]

How long have you been posting here? I talked to a few other guys in the league and they think it's collusion as well. Have fun filling my spot.

 

[Texican]

Cheater

 

[JohnnyU]

Trade vetoes should only be allowed when blatant collusion can be proven. Owners should not be protected from their own stupidity.

First of all, collusion can never be proven. Second, you have to protect the integrity of the league somewhat. Yes, make it very tough to veto a trade, but you have to protect the league against someone making a trade such as the one mentioned here, or let's say someone trades A-Rod, Johan Santana, and David Wright for Rich Harden, Rickie Weeks, and Andy Pettite.

 

[Spock]

Total BS. I'm officially out of the league as well. Looks like you're down to nine.

 

[Eephus]

I think it depends on what kind of league it is. If the league has been going on for a while with stable ownership and especially if it's a live draft league, no trade is worth killing a league over it. If it's an online league with strangers, who cares about a trade. The chances of collusion between iFriends are remote at best. I suppose the amount of cash involves enters into the equation somewhere but as a secondary factor.

 

[shadyridr]

 

[shadyridr]

You can count me out of this league as well and Im not even in it.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

You can count me out of this league as well and Im not even in it.

 

[JPeso]

You can count me out of this league as well and Im not even in it.

 

[DropKick]

*AcerFC

At the rate they're dropping out, soon you'll be playing with yourself.

 

[wilked]

cheater, no...#####, yes

 

[igbomb]

I agree with the OP. It's a big step from calling out a bad trade to accusing someone of cheating. And if some dude threw a hissy fit and called me a cheater, one of us would have to go. No way I want to play with people like that.

 

[Dusty Rhodes]

I personally never liked trading of draft picks within a league. You have a huge advantage with that deal, regardless of whether or not it was offered to you or if you had offered it. You can go by the book if you choose (as it appears to be a league rule that it's ok), but for the sake of having a competitive league I would politely decline, especially as commish. I wouldn't feel good about winning the title having all those extra early picks. You may be upset, but if I were you I would do the right thing - decline the trade.

I hear what you are saying but if you base the deal on last years draft and the numbers that those guys put up, this trade has me up less then 250 points and Arod was taken 4th and scored 300 points more then the number 1 guy. I know you cant swap Arod for Pujols in this case but if you did, then the guy actually has the advantage over me.

I find that when a person feels the need to explain how the person he is trading with is getting a good deal by doing the trade, it is usually an unfair trade.

And your point is?

 

[JohnnyU]

*AcerFC

At the rate they're dropping out, soon you'll be playing with yourself.

....and that's a bad thing?

 

[AcerFC]

Well, we had our draft yesterday and before the draft we had a vote. I told everyone (this is mostly friends and family) that I really did not care how they voted and I just wanted them to all be honest. The vote went 8-2 in favor of the trade. The two guys said before the draft that they would go with what the league vote was so it went thru.

The guy who got kicked out tried to get back in the league by first saying that he wasnt implying that I was a cheater and then when I quoted what he said about collusion changed his story to I said what I needed to say. The league for the most part was happy that he was not there because they have all been playing fantasy sports with me for a long time and knew it was not even an issue of cheating and was pissed that this guy suggested it was. He is not family or friend and was brought into the league by my brother in law who said he tried to bluff because he couldnt make a deal like that and I called him on it.

Anyway, the draft went on and I by no means have the best or most dominant team. It will be a grind just like every other year.

And in terms of justifying the trade by explaining it, I was doing it more from the commish side then the owner side which gets dicy since I am both.

 

[Bill]

no offense--but that leagues a joke if they let that trade go through. more than likely guys will start dropping out like crazy once they realize they have no shot at competing because that crappy trade went though.

 

[meeka]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

 

[kentric]

no offense--but that leagues a joke if they let that trade go through. more than likely guys will start dropping out like crazy once they realize they have no shot at competing because that crappy trade went though.

I believe the reason it when through was that the constitution indicated that only by proving collusion could a trade be cancelled. The people who voted to approve the thread probably did so to show their support in the integrity of the commissioner rather than their belief that the trade was an even one.

 

[AcerFC]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and TulowitzkiI dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

 

[AcerFC]

no offense--but that leagues a joke if they let that trade go through. more than likely guys will start dropping out like crazy once they realize they have no shot at competing because that crappy trade went though.

I believe the reason it when through was that the constitution indicated that only by proving collusion could a trade be cancelled. The people who voted to approve the thread probably did so to show their support in the integrity of the commissioner rather than their belief that the trade was an even one.

I think that while that is true, I also said that I didnt care in this vote if they voted no because they felt it was unfair.

 

[westyplz]

Clearly that trade was unfair. You can't blame the guy for calling you out. Instead of kicking him out you should have emailed him saying you can leave now or be committed, but that trade was offered to me man, so back off.

I don't know what other people said really above because I can't tell who is being serious or not, but the league as a whole should protect this guy by vetoing that trade.

Something more fair would be 1 9 for 2 5. If you had to think for a second about the original trade you're over-attached to arod, and should probably not even consider any trade.

If you're running a league sometimes you cannot take trades because they'll affect the balance of the league and no one will want to play. Think about being in their position.

 

[culdeus]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

 

[AcerFC]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

I have no idea what EV is but based on last years totals the trade came out to 1,914 for team Arod and 1,972 for me. I hardly call that a trade that is way off base. Plus Pence and Lincecum didnt even play full seasons so chances are that he would have gotten more points in the end

 

[meeka]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and TulowitzkiI dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Did you take Guillen in the 3rd round? Did Pence last til the 9th?

 

[AcerFC]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and TulowitzkiI dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Did you take Guillen in the 3rd round? Did Pence last til the 9th?

Yes and Yes

 

[shadyridr]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

I actually think the ARod side is better ARod >> than Tex

Swisher & Pence is about equal to Guillen Tulowitzki

and Hamels > Lincecum.

 

[meeka]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

I actually think the ARod side is better ARod >> than Tex

Swisher & Pence is about equal to Guillen Tulowitzki

and Hamels > Lincecum.

Superior drafting makes that trade look more even than the actually pick swapping was. IMOETA: I have never played in a points league so I could be off on this.

 

[shadyridr]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

I actually think the ARod side is better ARod >> than Tex

Swisher & Pence is about equal to Guillen Tulowitzki

and Hamels > Lincecum.

Superior drafting makes that trade look more even than the actually pick swapping was. IMO

Yep and thats probably why the other team did it cuz he knew he could get ARod and still get those guys later.

 

[AcerFC]

So what where the end results. You gave up Arod, but who did you draft with all of the picks you got?

The trade wound up being Arod, Swisher, Pence and Lincecum (although I would have taken B Meyers or T Hudson who were both still available) for Texiera, C Guillen, Hammels and Tulowitzki

I dont think that either team ripped the other one off in this deal. Remember its H2H points so it evens out a lot.

I dont think that trade would get vetoed in many leagues

Even in H2H that's pretty bad. You got at least 25% +EV in that deal if not more.

I actually think the ARod side is better ARod >> than Tex

Swisher & Pence is about equal to Guillen Tulowitzki

and Hamels > Lincecum.

Superior drafting makes that trade look more even than the actually pick swapping was. IMO

Yep and thats probably why the other team did it cuz he knew he could get ARod and still get those guys later.

Which is exactly the reason why I was hesitant in doing the deal in the first place and why trades should not be vetoed. Both of us knew what we were doing and both ended up with decent squads