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[NCCommish]

The Supreme Court’s recent Hobby Lobby decision, which allowed some for-profit companies to claim a religious exemption to Obamacare’s contraception mandate, has sparked a heated debate over the definition of religious liberty and its role in modern society. At this point, even a Satantic cult has decided to weigh in.

The Satanic Temple — a faith community that describes itself as facilitating “the communication and mobilization of politically aware Satanists, secularists, and advocates for individual liberty” — has launched a new campaign seeking a religious exemption to certain anti-abortion laws that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy. The group says they have deeply held beliefs about bodily autonomy and scientific accuracy, and those beliefs are violated by state-level “informed consent” laws that rely on misleading information about abortion risks.

Now that the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby, the Satanists point out, it strengthens their own quest to opt out of laws related to women’s health care that go against their religious liberty. “Because of the respect the Court has given to religious beliefs, and the fact that our our beliefs are based on best available knowledge, we expect that our belief in the illegitimacy of state­ mandated ‘informational’ material is enough to exempt us, and those who hold our beliefs, from having to receive them,” a spokesperson for the organization said in a statement.

The Satanic Temple, sometimes referred to as “the nicest Satanic cult in the world,” falls somewhere between satire, performance art, and activism. The group says its central mission is to “encourage benevolence and empathy among all people, reject tyrannical authority, advocate practical common sense and justice, and be directed by the human conscience to undertake noble pursuits guided by the individual will.” It has a set of seven tenets that closely track with humanism. Typically, wherever issues of church and state are overlapping, the Satanic Temple isn’t far behind.

Members of the Satanic Temple first made national headlines when they rallied in support of Florida Gov. Rick Scott ® for approving a bill that allows prayer in public schools, saying they’re glad the new policy will allow children to pray to Satan. Since then, they’ve also held “a formal ceremony celebrating same-sex unions” on the grave of the mother of the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, declaring that she has posthumously become a lesbian, and commissioned a seven-foot-tall Satanic statue near a monument to the Ten Commandments at the Oklahoma State Capitol.

And now, the Satanic Temple is turning its attention to “campaigns to assert our religious protection for women with health needs that are being complicated by unreasonable laws,” focusing on the abortion-related legislation that goes against science.

State-level abortion restrictions that aren’t actually based in medicine have swept the nation. “Informed consent” laws, which typically require women to receive biased counseling before being allowed to proceed with an abortion procedure, are now in place in 35 states. Many of those laws require doctors to tell their patients misleading information about abortion’s potential link to mental health issues and breast cancer. Some of them put words directly in doctors’ mouths, forcing them to refer to the fetus as an “whole, separate, unique, living human being.”

Members of the Temple of Satan are encouraging all women who share their belief in medical accuracy to seek their own exemption from these laws, even if they don’t personally identify as Satanists. They’ve drawn up a sample letter to help women talk to their doctors about the issue, as well as created “Right to Accurate Medical Information” t-shirts for purchase.

Satanists aren’t the only activists fighting back against the junk science used to justify anti-abortion laws. The secular humanist group Center for Inquiry recently launched a “Keep Health Care Safe and Secular” campaign to encourage more Americans to fight back against laws limiting women’s access to health services. Similarly, NARAL Pro-Choice America sometimes uses the slogan “Politicians Make Crappy Doctors.”

Noiw I am not for sacrificing virgins but the occasional goat if it leads to a nice BBQ? Sure why not. As to this it would make an interesting law suit. Supreme's opened the floodgates on this.

 

[jon_mx]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

 

[NCCommish]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

The real complaint is with states forcing religious and scientific nonsense on women seeking abortions. Which is a legal procedure in this country.

 

[timschochet]

This is a lot funnier than that dumb new church thing.

 

[matuski]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

Could you provide a link to what you are basing this on? I know it is baseless, but watching you try would kick this thread off nicely.

 

[matuski]

Since then, they’ve also held “a formal ceremony celebrating same-sex unions” on the grave of the mother of the leader of the Westboro Baptist Church, declaring that she hasposthumously become a lesbian, and commissioned a seven-foot-tall Satanic statue near a monument to the Ten Commandments at the Oklahoma State Capitol.

Awesome.

 

[NCCommish]

This is a lot funnier than that dumb new church thing.

These guys seem to be having fun with it. Their motto seems to be 'nicest satanic cult you'll ever meet".

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

As they say, politics makes some strange bedfellows.

 

[NCCommish]

As they say, politics makes some strange bedfellows.

These guys are essentially secular humanists. Basically been in bed with those folks for a long time.

 

[jon_mx]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

Could you provide a link to what you are basing this on? I know it is baseless, but watching you try would kick this thread off nicely.

Did you not read the article? They are seeking a religious exemption to rules that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy.

 

[matuski]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

Could you provide a link to what you are basing this on? I know it is baseless, but watching you try would kick this thread off nicely.

Did you not read the article? They are seeking a religious exemption to rules that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy.

That is what it says, but of course that isn't what you said.

 

[joffer]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

Could you provide a link to what you are basing this on? I know it is baseless, but watching you try would kick this thread off nicely.

Did you not read the article? They are seeking a religious exemption to rules that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy.

And how exactly is that "wanting more abortions"?

 

[NCCommish]

Good to see you supporting the faith of we want more abortions.

Could you provide a link to what you are basing this on? I know it is baseless, but watching you try would kick this thread off nicely.

Did you not read the article? They are seeking a religious exemption to rules that attempt to dissuade women from ending a pregnancy.

Actually it's an exemption to having to listen to pseudo-science and religious dogma but please carry on.

 

[jon_mx]

Actually it's an exemption to having to listen to pseudo-science and religious dogma but please carry on.

Which is flat out false. "Informed consent laws require that a woman seeking an elective abortion be given factual information by the abortion provider about her legal rights, alternatives to abortion (such as adoption), available public and private assistance, and medical facts, before the abortion is performed (usually 24 hours in advance of the abortion)." You could argue fetal pain may be a disputed fact, but none of that is either pseudo-science or religious dogma.

 

[Jackstraw]

Actually it's an exemption to having to listen to pseudo-science and religious dogma but please carry on.

Which is flat out false. "Informed consent laws require that a woman seeking an elective abortion be given factual information by the abortion provider about her legal rights, alternatives to abortion (such as adoption), available public and private assistance, and medical facts, before the abortion is performed (usually 24 hours in advance of the abortion)." You could argue fetal pain may be a disputed fact, but none of that is either pseudo-science or religious dogma.

It has a certain ring of truthiness.

I mean who needs the 1st amendment or basic medical ethics when we have wingnut politicians to tell us what top think.

Big government at its finest by the people who bring you "small government".

Politicians: You have to tell them it increases risks for suicide.

Doctors: But it doesn't

Politicians: Yes it does because Jesus....or something. Argle Bargle.

 

[Jackstraw]

PS we're gonna have to stick this wand up your crotch even though there is no medical benefit. Open up baby!

 

[NCCommish]

Actually it's an exemption to having to listen to pseudo-science and religious dogma but please carry on.

Which is flat out false. "Informed consent laws require that a woman seeking an elective abortion be given factual information by the abortion provider about her legal rights, alternatives to abortion (such as adoption), available public and private assistance, and medical facts, before the abortion is performed (usually 24 hours in advance of the abortion)." You could argue fetal pain may be a disputed fact, but none of that is either pseudo-science or religious dogma.

I can argue that almost everything they say is disputed. There is no basis for most of it. Throw in the religious dogma and it is a pretty much a fact free stew of crap.

 

[tonydead]