Should Schools Ban Cell Phones in the Classroom? (1 Viewer)

[msudaisy26]

I want both my teen kids to have access to their phones, in school or anywhere else.

But I do think admins & teachers should ban their use during class... Except for emergencies. Kids have to learn how to handle this, behave appropriately or face any consequences.

This is where I am at. Plus banning them isn't the solution. Teaching them how to responsibility use their phones and knowing when it is appropriate to have them out and when not to have them out is what is needed.

It's inappropriate in class. Not letting them have them in class teaches them that.

Not always. There are days, plus you can't win against parents that want access to their kids at all times. Times change and we need to adapt.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I talked to a teacher who used the garage....it worked for him....although he said you could almost sense the anxiety level in the room from kids that were addicted so to speak....it was like having meth heads sitting there staring at a bag of meth in the front of the room...

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

parents that want access to their kids at all times

I think the parents might need to learn to let go sometimes.

 

[msudaisy26]

parents that want access to their kids at all times

I think the parents might need to learn to let go sometimes.

I agree, but you can't win that battle.

 

[Ilov80s]

I am a little confused by this topic. When I was in HS we couldn't use our cell phones in class and no one did. Are kids just outright using them and teachers don't care enough/mostly helpless to do anything?

Yeah all the time and if you ask them to put it away, they do for one second and the moment you turn your back they have it out. And if you try and take it many of them have a visceral reaction. Many are very literally addicted. Some have burner phones they put up so the teacher things they don’t have theirs.

And we haven’t even begun talking about the AirPods. That’s another issue they think you’re insane because you ask them to not listen to music during class.

 

[ChiefD]

Our kids high school does not allow them at class. They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they can carry them in their pocket but if they find them using them in class it's no joke. Not sure what the punishment is but our kids don't use them in class (that I know of).

The kids CAN use their phones at lunch but that's about it.

 

[Manster]

Yes, 1000%

Major distraction. Used inappropriately.....ie, take pictures of classmates, post on social media....look up inappropriate stuff in class, etc ....

Not buying the "gotta be able to reach my kid/parent." crap .......nope, we have lost control. The teachers are at a huge disadvantage. These kids need to learn discipline. Having little personal computers during class is not helping in any way

 

[Ilov80s]

The only positive about a State law is it takes pressure off the schools and teachers because they can say, “hey it’s not our rule we just have to enforce it”. It eliminates a lot of the arguing and negotiating.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they have to hand carry their books? or Do they have to go to thier locker between each class to put up the book from last class/get the next classes book. Or do they not use books anymore?

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

 

[zamboni]

They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they have to hand carry their books? or Do they have to go to thier locker between each class to put up the book from last class/get the next classes book. Or do they not use books anymore?

Times have definitely changed in this way as well. In the 1980s HS world (at least where I lived), hand carrying books was the only socially acceptable way to transport them around. Backpacks were a no-no - and if you did, it had better have been on one shoulder and not both.

 

[msudaisy26]

The better answer in my opinion is to make all students be on the schools wifi and limit what sites they can go to.

 

[Ilov80s]

The better answer in my opinion is to make all students be on the schools wifi and limit what sites they can go to.

How do you enforce that?

 

[Ilov80s]

They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they have to hand carry their books? or Do they have to go to thier locker between each class to put up the book from last class/get the next classes book. Or do they not use books anymore?

It’s actually somewhat common for no backpacks as a safety measure. Having textbooks is pretty rare these days.

 

[msudaisy26]

The better answer in my opinion is to make all students be on the schools wifi and limit what sites they can go to.

How do you enforce that?

It would be tough, I am not an IT person. Probably better to let someone with experience in that field answer.

I will say that back when online sports books became a thing in Michigan there were casinos that blocked those sites from working while on their property. Even when you weren't on their wifi.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

In the 1980s HS world (at least where I lived), hand carrying books was the only socially acceptable way to transport them around

I have never heard this. Was this a thing with the rest of you guys? It seems like it would be so hard to carry the books/supplies unless you are constantly going to your locker.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they have to hand carry their books? or Do they have to go to thier locker between each class to put up the book from last class/get the next classes book. Or do they not use books anymore?

You think kids still carry around books? No wonder this pole is 90% no phones
Bunch of out of touch seniors on this board

 

[BeTheMatch]

parents that want access to their kids at all times

I think the parents might need to learn to let go sometimes.

I agree, but you can't win that battle.

Sure you can.

 

[BeTheMatch]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Why is it any different than not allowing smoking in school?

I really don't understand the "you can't win the battle so don't bother trying" stance that it seems like you're taking.

 

[msudaisy26]

parents that want access to their kids at all times

I think the parents might need to learn to let go sometimes.

I agree, but you can't win that battle.

Sure you can.

As someone with a kid and active in her school and also working across several districts as a teacher's aid, teacher, assistant principal and principal I can honestly say, that I have never seen that battle won against a parent. Literally never.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Why is it any different than not allowing smoking in school?

I really don't understand the "you can't win the battle so don't bother trying" stance that it seems like you're taking.

Well smoking age in Michigan is 21. So there is that.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

It’s actually somewhat common for no backpacks as a safety measure. Having textbooks is pretty rare these days.

I get it, to try and keep kids from carrying weapons. But in my day we had to carry around a ton of books and then in college I had to buy a ton of overpriced books that I had to carry around.

 

[Max Power]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

You think kids still carry around books? No wonder this pole is 90% no phones
Bunch of out of touch seniors on this board

bro, I'm younger than 99.9% of this site. I just never knew that schools have transitioned so much from book learning to I guess having everything on a tablet or the teacher just talking and giving a lesson and there's no follow along reading or something...I don't know.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Then take your kid's phone away. Problem solved.

 

[msudaisy26]

You think kids still carry around books? No wonder this pole is 90% no phones
Bunch of out of touch seniors on this board

bro, I'm younger than 99.9% of this site. I just never knew that schools have transitioned so much from book learning to I guess having everything on a tablet or the teacher just talking and giving a lesson and there's no follow along reading or something...I don't know.

I am lucky enough to have my child go to a school that can afford to give every kid a Chromebook for the year. Books are going to be a thing of the past soon.

 

[Max Power]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

I think teachers have been trying. And when asked 70% of high school teachers are saying its a major problem. Asking them to be more responsible was plan A. It isn't working.

 

[Ilov80s]

Then take your kid's phone away. Problem solved.

We get parents a lot complaining to us about kids on phones and how kids shouldn’t have phones in school and how they don’t want their kid on their phone in school.

Well then don’t let them bring it to school? Or use some of the parental apps to control their use during school hours? Why is this another thing that we the school have to be responsible for with your kid.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

I think teachers have been trying. And when asked 70% of high school teachers are saying its a major problem. Asking them to be more responsible was plan A. It isn't working.

Taking it away isn't the answer. Especially when you are punishing everyone. My daughter is in 6th grade and when we got her a phone she was told that she would lose it if any of her teachers said it was a problem or if we looked at her data usage or sites she visited while at school and they were inappropriate. Haven't had a problem all year.

Teachers could also just take away the phone for the rest of the day of the student or students that are offenders.

There are a lot of better solutions if we are creative.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I think teachers have been trying. And when asked 70% of high school teachers are saying its a major problem. Asking them to be more responsible was plan A. It isn't working.

Is it any different in the states that have already made it a law? Do those teachers have no issue or are they part of the 70% that say it's a problem, even when it's already been made a state law?

Either way, the teachers are the enforcers. Like I said above, the state isn't going to have cops with phone sniffing dogs arresting people. Whether the rule is at the state level or school level or classroom level, it's teachers trying to police it and kids trying to sneak around it.

It's not really something that makes sense at the state level. No different than making it illegal to have phones at work so ya'll don't goof off on FBGs. Your boss can make that rule. Your company can make that rule. The state shouldn't be making that rule.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Why is it any different than not allowing smoking in school?

I really don't understand the "you can't win the battle so don't bother trying" stance that it seems like you're taking.

You don't fight progress. You adapt to it. Will it be a perfect fit with no bumps or bruises? No, it never is, but trying to ban it just makes it more difficult long term. Technology is here to stay, books, going to the library, even going to school five times a week for 7 hours a day is going a way. My daughter's entire school.had a virtual day this week on Tuesday.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

Isn't this more about personal responsibility, and less about needing a nanny state?

Now imagine there are parents who would read this, and think you are only referring to kids here.

 

[ChiefD]

They aren't even allowed to have a backpack.

So they have to hand carry their books? or Do they have to go to thier locker between each class to put up the book from last class/get the next classes book. Or do they not use books anymore?

Yeah, their content is on their chromebooks that they carry and use at school and home.

They may have a notepad and pen or something that they carry. Or they go to their locker if they need stuff. I know the girls can carry a small bag of some kind for products they may need.

Their school is pretty strict for a public high school. Our town up here is only 3000 people, so the high school is about 300 students. They have a strict conduct policy if you participate in extracurricular activities through the school. The kids and parents have to sign a code of conduct.

And this extends to your vehicle. So if you are caught with a weapon in your car (which is difficult here because a lot of kids go duck hunting before school) there are extreme consequences.

They don't mess around. And I like it.

 

[Manster]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

You're missing a very important aspect here. Bad kids do bad things with phones in class, period. Some of them have zero interest in "responsibility."........the teachers can't manage it. Class sizes are too big to see everything.

My family has had multiple issues with bad kids, with phones, at public school......including a kid who took a pic of my daughter, posted it on social media, with derogatory stuff ......people started coming up to my daughter showing her the pic......she was mortified......that little punk got suspended for a bit. That kinda **** is going on daily. No phones at school is always going to be my stance.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

You're missing a very important aspect here. Bad kids do bad things with phones in class, period. Some of them have zero interest in "responsibility."........the teachers can't manage it. Class sizes are too big to see everything.

My family has had multiple issues with bad kids, with phones, at public school......including a kid who took a pic of my daughter, posted it on social media, with derogatory stuff ......people started coming up to my daughter showing her the pic......she was mortified......that little punk got suspended for a bit. That kinda **** is going on daily. No phones at school is always going to be my stance.

So we should punish everyone because of the bad kids?

Back in the day kids made paper airplanes, spit wads, should we ban paper? Kids say mean things, should we ban talking? Pencils and chairs have been used as weapons, better get rid of them too. Kids have snuck out of school during fire drills, better not do those anymore either.

Sorry your kid had that experience, but that is absurd.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are there to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

You're missing a very important aspect here. Bad kids do bad things with phones in class, period. Some of them have zero interest in "responsibility."........the teachers can't manage it. Class sizes are too big to see everything.

My family has had multiple issues with bad kids, with phones, at public school......including a kid who took a pic of my daughter, posted it on social media, with derogatory stuff ......people started coming up to my daughter showing her the pic......she was mortified......that little punk got suspended for a bit. That kinda **** is going on daily. No phones at school is always going to be my stance.

So we should punish everyone because of the bad kids?

Back in the day kids made paper airplanes, spit wads, should we ban paper? Kids say mean things, should we ban talking? Pencils and chairs have been used as weapons, better get rid of them too. Kids have snuck out of school during fire drills, better not do those anymore either.

Sorry your kid had that experience, but that is absurd.

and it's not a punishment to not have your phone.....you need to quit looking at it like that....in the educational environment, it is almost more of a "privilege" if you think about it...but yeah to answer your question.... sometimes the whole group suffers because of a few....a lesson can be learned there...

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are their to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

As someone that has been doing this for a long time that isn't what I see and we are absolutely there to teach restraint.

We teach them when it is okay to talk and when it is inappropriate, we teach them how to manage their time wisely, we teach them what is acceptable behavior towards others and what isn't in a classroom setting and how that differs in a lunchroom, or recess. We teach them when it is time to work and when it is time to play.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

You're missing a very important aspect here. Bad kids do bad things with phones in class, period. Some of them have zero interest in "responsibility."........the teachers can't manage it. Class sizes are too big to see everything.

My family has had multiple issues with bad kids, with phones, at public school......including a kid who took a pic of my daughter, posted it on social media, with derogatory stuff ......people started coming up to my daughter showing her the pic......she was mortified......that little punk got suspended for a bit. That kinda **** is going on daily. No phones at school is always going to be my stance.

So we should punish everyone because of the bad kids?

Back in the day kids made paper airplanes, spit wads, should we ban paper? Kids say mean things, should we ban talking? Pencils and chairs have been used as weapons, better get rid of them too. Kids have snuck out of school during fire drills, better not do those anymore either.

Sorry your kid had that experience, but that is absurd.

and it's not a punishment to not have your phone.....you need to quit looking at it like that....in the education environment, it is almost more of a "privilege" if you think about it...but yeah to answer your question....but yeah sometimes the whole group suffers because of a few....a lesson can be learned there...

Phones are becoming a necessity, just like driving. When do we punish everyone because someone uses a car improperly? Do we give everyone a failing grase because a few bad kids failed, do we kick every player off the football team because one kid keeps missing practice, does everyone stay for detention because one kid was disrespectful. That is old school thinking that really doesn't have a place and never really should. You can't control others actions and shouldn't be punished for it in a school setting.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are their to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

As someone that has been doing this for a long time that isn't what I see and we are absolutely there to teach restraint.

We teach them when it is okay to talk and when it is inappropriate, we teach them how to manage their time wisely, we teach them what is acceptable behavior towards others and what isn't in a classroom setting and how that differs in a lunchroom, or recess. We teach them when it is time to work and when it is time to play.

you just refuse to accept that cell phones at the desk are a completely different animal then all the things you mention....you may be super teacher or something and should maybe go on tour letting all the teachers know how it isn't what you see....even tho the majority of them do see it....and what your solution is....a solution that doesn't take away time/distract from teaching curriculum that cell phone policing does....

and I didn't look back....but what again was your proposed way to deal with the issue...?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

Its nice in theory, but schools aren't going to teach kids how to be responsible with phones and parents already aren't doing it.

Asking teenagers to be responsible is a big ask as well. Teenagers by nature aren't responsible. The teenage brain is just different.

So instead of trying to teach them to be responsible young adults, you would rather just take it away and hope everything works out for the best?

The whole point of education is to teach young people and help them develop. Not just say well this is new and we aren't even going to try.

You're missing a very important aspect here. Bad kids do bad things with phones in class, period. Some of them have zero interest in "responsibility."........the teachers can't manage it. Class sizes are too big to see everything.

My family has had multiple issues with bad kids, with phones, at public school......including a kid who took a pic of my daughter, posted it on social media, with derogatory stuff ......people started coming up to my daughter showing her the pic......she was mortified......that little punk got suspended for a bit. That kinda **** is going on daily. No phones at school is always going to be my stance.

So we should punish everyone because of the bad kids?

Back in the day kids made paper airplanes, spit wads, should we ban paper? Kids say mean things, should we ban talking? Pencils and chairs have been used as weapons, better get rid of them too. Kids have snuck out of school during fire drills, better not do those anymore either.

Sorry your kid had that experience, but that is absurd.

and it's not a punishment to not have your phone.....you need to quit looking at it like that....in the education environment, it is almost more of a "privilege" if you think about it...but yeah to answer your question....but yeah sometimes the whole group suffers because of a few....a lesson can be learned there...

Phones are becoming a necessity, just like driving. When do we punish everyone because someone uses a car improperly? Do we give everyone a failing grase because a few bad kids failed, do we kick every player off the football team because one kid keeps missing practice, does everyone stay for detention because one kid was disrespectful. That is old school thinking that really doesn't have a place and never really should. You can't control others actions and shouldn't be punished for it in a school setting.

phones are not a "necessity" when sitting at your desk....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

what about for the kids that their family can't afford cell phones....should the school provide one for them since they are such a necessity...

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are their to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

As someone that has been doing this for a long time that isn't what I see and we are absolutely there to teach restraint.

We teach them when it is okay to talk and when it is inappropriate, we teach them how to manage their time wisely, we teach them what is acceptable behavior towards others and what isn't in a classroom setting and how that differs in a lunchroom, or recess. We teach them when it is time to work and when it is time to play.

you just refuse to accept that cell phones at the desk are a completely different animal then all the things you mention....you may be super teacher or something and should maybe go on tour letting all the teachers know how it isn't what you see....even tho the majority of them do see it....and what your solution is....a solution that doesn't take away time/distract from teaching curriculum that cell phone policing does....

and I didn't look back....but what again was your proposed way to deal with the issue...?

It is a different animal because it is new, it isn't any worse than all the other distractions kids have had for decades. Teachers will always deal with distractions, it is part of the job. Phones aren't adding anymore of a distraction than magazines used to or a deck of cards, or anything else it is just a new one that most kids don't have a problem with.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are their to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

As someone that has been doing this for a long time that isn't what I see and we are absolutely there to teach restraint.

We teach them when it is okay to talk and when it is inappropriate, we teach them how to manage their time wisely, we teach them what is acceptable behavior towards others and what isn't in a classroom setting and how that differs in a lunchroom, or recess. We teach them when it is time to work and when it is time to play.

you just refuse to accept that cell phones at the desk are a completely different animal then all the things you mention....you may be super teacher or something and should maybe go on tour letting all the teachers know how it isn't what you see....even tho the majority of them do see it....and what your solution is....a solution that doesn't take away time/distract from teaching curriculum that cell phone policing does....

and I didn't look back....but what again was your proposed way to deal with the issue...?

It is a different animal because it is new, it isn't any worse than all the other distractions kids have had for decades. Teachers will always deal with distractions, it is part of the job. Phones aren't adding anymore of a distraction than magazines used to or a deck of cards, or anything else it is just a new one that most kids don't have a problem with.

you are joking right....?

 

[msudaisy26]

what about for the kids that their family can't afford cell phones....should the school provide one for them since they are such a necessity...

No, but a Chromebook or something like it. Maybe a calculator for Math. Please read previous posts. I don't want to repost everything and clutter this thread up more.

 

[msudaisy26]

The world is advancing in technology, and this includes schools. Making a rule that is going to be obsolete sooner rather than later isn't wise. Teaching kids restraint is more important than controlling their action. Remember when we all went to school and the abstinence was the only way.

Even right now there are high schools that have IB, and GCI programs. They have dual enrollment with colleges where messages need to be shared. There are schools that can't afford to get every kid a Chromebook or laptop and kids are asked look things up for assignments.

Teaching kids responsible use and restraint is way more productive and helpful then forbidding the behavior.

you do realize that kids these days don't really give a **** about "restraint"....

especially when it comes to cell phones....even good kids with good grades and good attitudes will still do whatever they need to do to have access to that bad boy...

and why is it on the teachers to teach them "restraint"....is there a special certification or something for that that teachers take....

when it comes to cell phones...."restraint" basically goes out the window for most students.....our teachers are their to teach a curriculum....not "restraint"...

As someone that has been doing this for a long time that isn't what I see and we are absolutely there to teach restraint.

We teach them when it is okay to talk and when it is inappropriate, we teach them how to manage their time wisely, we teach them what is acceptable behavior towards others and what isn't in a classroom setting and how that differs in a lunchroom, or recess. We teach them when it is time to work and when it is time to play.

you just refuse to accept that cell phones at the desk are a completely different animal then all the things you mention....you may be super teacher or something and should maybe go on tour letting all the teachers know how it isn't what you see....even tho the majority of them do see it....and what your solution is....a solution that doesn't take away time/distract from teaching curriculum that cell phone policing does....

and I didn't look back....but what again was your proposed way to deal with the issue...?

It is a different animal because it is new, it isn't any worse than all the other distractions kids have had for decades. Teachers will always deal with distractions, it is part of the job. Phones aren't adding anymore of a distraction than magazines used to or a deck of cards, or anything else it is just a new one that most kids don't have a problem with.

you are joking right....?

I feel like you are. Maybe we should just be done here.

 

[massraider]

And we haven’t even begun talking about the AirPods. That’s another issue they think you’re insane because you ask them to not listen to music during class.

Think I have more natural empathy for people in your career than any other I can think of.

 

[Dickies]

My kids' school allows cell phones in the backpacks, but if any teacher catches them with cell phones out on campus they take the phones and send the phones to the office, which can be picked up at the end of the day

 

[msudaisy26]

My kids' school allows cell phones in the backpacks, but if any teacher catches them with cell phones out on campus they take the phones and send the phones to the office, which can be picked up at the end of the day

I have no problem with a policy like that. Phones away unless a teacher says it is okay. If you aren't doing what you are supposed to be when the phone is allowed to be out then it gets confiscated until the end of the day. Have a three strike policy, that after three strikes that individual loses all phone privileges.