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I don't care if they have two wins... (1 Viewer)
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Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Raiders: 2-5
Steelers: 2-6
Arizona: 1-7
Week 7: Oakland 22, Arizona 9
Week 8: Oakland 20, Pitt 13
So Oakland currently has the best record out of this bunch and has beaten both of the other two...
You're gonna have to explain your logic to me again.
Steelers: 2-6
Arizona: 1-7
Week 7: Oakland 22, Arizona 9
Week 8: Oakland 20, Pitt 13
So Oakland currently has the best record out of this bunch and has beaten both of the other two...
You're gonna have to explain your logic to me again.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
You haven't actually watched them play, I guess. I don't think this is even debatable.
bryhamm
Footballguy
about 100yds of offense against the Steelers ... I can see the arguement
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
So a team puts up 100 yards of total offense in a victory, and you think he's better than the team that LOST to a team that put up 100 yards of total offense?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm voting with Cobalt on this one, they do suxor.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Umm...yeah? The lesser team wins sometimes over the better team. Happens every week.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Perhaps in the NFL, they are the worst. But in ProSports, there is no worse franchise right now than the NY Knicks.
Ok, I definitely think this is a tough call. Both are miserable.
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So based on this logic the Steelers beat the Dolphins who beat the Bears so the Steelers are better than the Bears since we are judging teams on one game. Please. Not sure about whose the worst team in pro sports but the Raiders are the worst team in the NFL>
dolphins and bears do not have similar records...oakland, arizona, and pittsburgh do.let's try to have comparable analogies.tia
cobalt_27
Footballguy
So, you think the better team always wins, I guess. Would be fascinated by your analysis of this.
boubucarow
Footballguy
The Raiders have the worst offense in sports by far. Their defense is average to maybe even pretty good. So no, not the worst team in sports because as shown that defense will win a game every now or then.
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trader jake
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In the NFL I agree. Two seasons from now the Raiders, in theory, could be in the playoffs.
I don't see ANY hope for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays...EVAH.
I don't see ANY hope for the Tampa Bay Devil Rays...EVAH.
That's not a comparable anology. Different teams play different schedules and the better team does not always have the better record. If it was that simple they would just crown the champion after the regular season.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I don't know what Oakland would have to do to earn your respect on defense. They have a very good defense. It's only the offense that stinks. Defense is upper tier in the league. What other defense could stand so firm week in and week out with NO HELP from their offense.
my man otis
Footballguy
If the Marlins can do it, completely blow up the team and do it again so can the Rays.They've got the O, just need some better pitching scouts.
They don't have one of the best defenses in the NFL and you can't just pay attention to stats. Teams prepare for the Raiders knowing their offense is inept and due to that they incorporate very conservative offensive game plans.I saw something like this a few years ago with the Cowboys when Dave Campo was the HC. Their offense was miserable but their D was one of, if not the top ranked in the league. They were not really that good but teams were content beating them 13-7.Horrible thread. They have the worst offense in football but one of the best defenses in the whole league. So they are not the worst team
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
where was I judging teams on ONE game? I was judging teams by their overall records which takes into account EVERY GAME and then I was also pointing out that the team with the best record out of a particular group also beat the other two head to head.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Man a lot of people are going to look silly in this thread if Oakland comes back and wins THEIR 3RD STRAIGHT GAME tonight.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Their defense is not one of the best. It's serviceable. It doesn't suck. I'll give you that much. But, their offense is soooo bad, and their special teams (aside from Lechler) is well below average. They're the worst team in the NFL.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Yeah, that'll happen.
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trader jake
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The Marlins don't play in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox. In the sport where $$$ are king the Rays have a coin purse. Basically, no NFL team can be the worst in all of professional sports imo.Do we all agree that the Raiders have the worst front office/coaching in all of professional sports?
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I think a previous poster noted that the Knicks could give the Raiders a run for their money. I think I agree with this.The Marlins don't play in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox. In the sport where $$$ are king the Rays have a coin purse. Basically, no NFL team can be the worst in all of professional sports imo.Do we all agree that the Raiders have the worst front office/coaching in all of professional sports?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
This is one of the worst threads I've ever read here, and thats saying a lot.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Change the channel, then. You don't have to read any of it. Just because you're wrong and the Raiders ARE the worst team in pro sports doesn't make it a bad thread. Maybe you might want to review the talent/coaching/package of the Raiders and reconsider just how awful they really are.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
please explain to me how the Raiders are worse than the Arizona Cardinals. -They have a better record.-They beat the Cardinals soundly-The Cardinals won in week 1 and havn't won since.-Oakland has won two consecutive games including beating last year's SB champI'll sit back and wait for your reply.And, yes, I have watched many of theirs and of the Cardinal's games this year.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Raiders are not the worst team in the NFL - Arizona is.
Let's compare:
Coach - Even
Offense - Arizona
Defense - Raiders
Special teams - Arizona slightly
Head-to-head winner - Raiders
I'd give the edge to the Raiders based off the win, but if you want to call it a draw, I'd buy that.
However:
Fans - Raiders by a ton.
History - Raiders by a ton.
Merchandising/Financial - Raiders by a ton
Owner - Raiders by a bit (Davis is closer to being dead)
Let's compare:
Coach - Even
Offense - Arizona
Defense - Raiders
Special teams - Arizona slightly
Head-to-head winner - Raiders
I'd give the edge to the Raiders based off the win, but if you want to call it a draw, I'd buy that.
However:
Fans - Raiders by a ton.
History - Raiders by a ton.
Merchandising/Financial - Raiders by a ton
Owner - Raiders by a bit (Davis is closer to being dead)
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'll take the Cards over the Raiders. Obviously, we're scraping the bottom of the barrel with both teams. Both are terribly-coached and dysfunctional in the front office. But, I sincerely believe the Cards have more talent across the board and will finish the season with more wins than the Raiders. Where they are now, the record and and the h2h matchup seem to indicate that the Raiders are better, I guess. But, given what I've seen, there's a lot more to work with in AZ than in Oakland. The Raiders are so pathetic. Didn't gain even 100 yards of offense in their W against Pittsburgh, benefitting from a concussed, mistake-prone offense, and now they've been shut out in consecutive weeks. Looking beyond the deplorable numbers for both teams, I just see a lot more futility out of the Raiders than any other team in any other sport. At least, there's some things to hope for over the rest of the season with Arizona and into future years.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Raiders are far and away the worst franchise in pro sports right now.
Evilhomer3k
Footballguy
If you cannot score you cannot win. The Raiders simply can't score a TD on offense. At least the Cardinals have a good offense. The Raiders also have the worst coaching in the NFL. They had a 2-1 pass to run ratio tonight. They were sacked (so far) 9 times. When the run is working and the pass is both losing yards and getting your QB sacked 1/3 of the time you don't run on 1st and 2nd down.
The Steelers don't even deserve to be in this conversation. Their problems are directly related to Roethlisberger. They are well coached, they can run the ball, they have a good defense.
The Cardinals have had a few bad games but they seem to be absolutely devastated by the loss to Chicago. If they don't pull out of this tail spin they could become worse than the raiders. However I think they'll need a few more horrible games before they overtake the Raiders.
The Steelers don't even deserve to be in this conversation. Their problems are directly related to Roethlisberger. They are well coached, they can run the ball, they have a good defense.
The Cardinals have had a few bad games but they seem to be absolutely devastated by the loss to Chicago. If they don't pull out of this tail spin they could become worse than the raiders. However I think they'll need a few more horrible games before they overtake the Raiders.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
But, the stadium in AZ... 
And, a lot more young talent to be excited about for next year and beyond.
stevegamer
Footballguy
The stadium is overrated. When the fans stop filling it, it'll be a nice half empty facility.
The Raiders don't have a shiny new stadium, but they don't need one.
I can't imagine AZ getting a real home field avantage going before 2010.
The Raiders don't have a shiny new stadium, but they don't need one.
I can't imagine AZ getting a real home field avantage going before 2010.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
The Raiders have a very good young defense. I don't know why you continue to fail to see this despite quite a few people pointing it out.cobalt_27 said:
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I'm not sure if tonight's game has been factored into these stats yet or not, but....Points allowed: Pit is 11 in the NFL, Oak is #9Evilhomer3k said:
pass yards allowed: Pitt is #9, Oak is #1
Rush yards allowed: Pit is #10, Oak is #15
Overall yards allowed: PIt is #9, Oak is #1
Rush TDs allowed: Pit is #14, Oak is #6
Pass TDs allowed: Pit is #26, Oak is #1
INTs: Pit is #3, Oak is #5
Fumbles forced: Pit is #32, Oak is #30
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
They have the #1 ranked defense in the NFL...how can you say you can't see how they've won a game? Their defense alone will keep them in many games to come.
Borat
Footballguy
I don't feel like researching this right now, but one theory could be that teams can pretty much shut it down offensively against the Raiders and just try to control the clock, especially later on in the game.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
After thinking about it for a while I've come to the conclusion that this is a classic case of us being influenced by Fantasy Football. The Cardinals have a ton of good fantasy options and are very star heavy in the skill positions. But they are absolutely terrible at the non-star positions and they have no clue how to win close games. The Raiders on the other hand have no star except for Moss, who is likely past his prime anyway(I guess you could count Sapp too, but the same thing applies with being past his prime).
I think that many FF players overvalue NFL teams that have good fantasy options. I think the quote "At least, there's some things to hope for over the rest of the season with Arizona and into future years" said earlier in this thread clearly shows this. Oakland does indeed have hope. They have quite a few young playmakers. They jsut arne't stars like Leinart, Boldin, Fitz, and Edge. That doesn't mean they don't have potential.
I think that many FF players overvalue NFL teams that have good fantasy options. I think the quote "At least, there's some things to hope for over the rest of the season with Arizona and into future years" said earlier in this thread clearly shows this. Oakland does indeed have hope. They have quite a few young playmakers. They jsut arne't stars like Leinart, Boldin, Fitz, and Edge. That doesn't mean they don't have potential.
Borat
Footballguy
I agree 100%. This is why I just couldn't understand the people who were picking the Cardinals as their sleeper team this season.Non-skill position players are just as important as skill position players; maybe even more so.
