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I don't understand Carson Palmer (1 Viewer)

timschochet

timschochet

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I've been following this guy since high school and he's always been one of my favorite players. I was going to draft him this year but I just missed out. I thought a couple of years ago he was going to emerge as the best QB in the NFL, or at least one of the top three. But he's gone seemingly downhill for the last couple of years. You would think that with the combination of Cincy's poor defense and good wide receivers, at the very least Palmer would put up impressive FF numbers.

I didn't see any of the game today, but for those who did, I'm wondering: does Carson look like the same QB to you? Has he regressed? Is it the offensive line or lack of a running game? Or should we chalk this up to one bad start and figure that he will resume his productivity of a few years back?

 
Let me put it this way - if T.J. Houshmandzadeh took him outside and beat the s**t out of him, there isn't a jury in the country that would convict him.

 
packersfan said:
Let me put it this way - if T.J. Houshmandzadeh took him outside and beat the s**t out of him, there isn't a jury in the country that would convict him.
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That's very funny- since I didn't see any of it, is there a specific play you are referring to?
 
timschochet said:
packersfan said:
Let me put it this way - if T.J. Houshmandzadeh took him outside and beat the s**t out of him, there isn't a jury in the country that would convict him.
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That's very funny- since I didn't see any of it, is there a specific play you are referring to?
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Pretty much every pass that was thrown toward Houshmandzadeh. Palmer just looked like absolute garbage. Given how vulnerable the Raven's secondary appeared to be going into the game, this was a surprise. I was stunned at how bad Palmer looked today. I didn't expect the Bengals to get anything on the ground, but I thought the passing game would make some noise. But only three combined receptions for Houshmandzadeh and Johnson and much of that was due to Palmer's poor play in my opinion.
 
The Bengals are terrible all around. They can't run or pass or block. It's not really Palmer's fault. He can't force things to happen.

 
bet the house on him and ocho this year. Have the combo in 3 of my 4 leagues. Terrible is an understatement for their performance this week. One can only hope it was due to all of them not being together in the preseason, but I think the ship there is just sinking as a whole, and the season is going to be an absolute mockery. I've never felt so deflated after 1 week in fantasy football in my life...

 
It was the line. Hopefully they'll get it together in a hurry, but the lack of a decent center is a big issue.

-QG

 
As mentioned above, the line couldn't stop anyone. The few plays Palmer had time, he looked good. But, those plays were few and far between.

If other teams have the ability, you will see more of this. Palmer is a classic pocket passer, and now he has a suspect O-line. Teams know exactly where Palmer will be each pass play, and the Ravens sent the house to that spot each time.

Chad and Housh seemed out of sync as well, likely due to not playing or practicing much in the pre-season.

Running game wasn't able to bail them out, defense couldn't get off the field, terrible effort all around.

I suspect that this will be a long season for my Bengals.

 
The Ravens were 22nd ranked against QBs and 27th ranked against WRs. So this was really a shock. On the flipside, this could have been a young pass-rushing Ravens front getting better at pressure. I don't think Palmer will face a lot of Ravens-like fronts, but I also don't know how Palmer and co. could have done SOOO badly.

Anyone who watched able to add some good details? Did the Ravens look much improved at the pass rush?

 
drm1125 said:
timschochet said:
Does this mean that TJ Housh and Ocho are going to have poor years as well?
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I think so, I purposely stayed away from all bengals. That team looks like it's going to implode. They may be lucky to win 4 games this year.
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i had this feeling about cinci, too, this season. they seem to have a cloud over their head. i passed on palmer but still (with some trepidation) drafted chad. :mellow: but only because it was the end of a run and is in a league that only starts 2 wrs (so there should be wire material if i need it....)still, i am surprised by palmer's stat line.
 
NatronIsMean said:
The Ravens were 22nd ranked against QBs and 27th ranked against WRs. So this was really a shock. On the flipside, this could have been a young pass-rushing Ravens front getting better at pressure. I don't think Palmer will face a lot of Ravens-like fronts, but I also don't know how Palmer and co. could have done SOOO badly. Anyone who watched able to add some good details? Did the Ravens look much improved at the pass rush?
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Ray Lewis may have lost a step but there's still plenty of talent in the front seven. Ngata is a potential Pro Bowler, Suggs and Bart Scott can bring big time heat and today they were blitzing Zbikowski an awful lot. Rex Ryan hasn't forgotten how to organize a pass rush.
 
AnonymousBob said:
The offensive line is downright offensive.
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No doubt. He had to have been hit on every pass attempt in the first half. Gonna be a long season. The Bengals were outhustled, outplayed, outcouched. That was embarrasingly bad. Thank God for fantasy football.
 
It's the OL. I think he's the same caliber player, but he can't do much with the OL regressing so badly. You see it in the running game, you're bound to see it in the passing game.

Get used to those stats... Palmer is finishing outside of the top 10 this year.

VERY glad I got rid of him on Wednesday

 
The offensive line is very bad, he's constantly under duress. I watched many parts of this game and when Palmer is under pressure, he looks bad. He looks like a guy who's lost some confidence, like a war veteran who still hears gun shots in his head.....it seems to me like Palmer looks like he's waiting to get hit. When on the move, he looks lost and if you have Carson Palmer as a QB, I'd be very concerned.

 
Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
The offensive line is very bad, he's constantly under duress. I watched many parts of this game and when Palmer is under pressure, he looks bad. He looks like a guy who's lost some confidence, like a war veteran who still hears gun shots in his head.....it seems to me like Palmer looks like he's waiting to get hit. When on the move, he looks lost and if you have Carson Palmer as a QB, I'd be very concerned.
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Good thing i have VY in my dynasty :bag:
 
Palmer is good, but there was a lot going against him.

1. The Ravens are the best D in the league when healthy IMO, and they had 10 of their 11 starters out there today (Gregg was out).

2. Ocho Cinco is banged up.

3. The run game was pathetic.

4. No 3rd option in the passing game to exploit Ivy who was filling in for the suspended Fabian Washington.

 
Yes, the OLine looked bad, but Carson seems to look like a deer in headlights when he moves from the pocket. It looks pretty embarrassing sometimes when he flops down or looks lost when he scrambles. I watch every game from this team, and this was one of those major kicks in the ###'s. I'm not feeling good about this team at all. 3rd verse, same as the first. :goodposting:

 
NYRAGE said:
just a continuation from the second half of last season
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To be honest, he really hasn't played that great for 2 years now. Decent fantasy stats maybe, but I'm so tired of all of the apologists for this guy. The offensive line is terrible, I agree. However, Palmer has had reasons for struggling for so long I really am starting to think he is the common denominator.Even when he had time, Palmer was garbage today.
 
I avoided him like the plague in all leagues after what he did to me last year, and the Bungles are just a terrible team period.

 
Mystery Achiever said:
drm1125 said:
timschochet said:
Does this mean that TJ Housh and Ocho are going to have poor years as well?
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I think so, I purposely stayed away from all bengals. That team looks like it's going to implode. They may be lucky to win 4 games this year.
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i had this feeling about cinci, too, this season. they seem to have a cloud over their head. i passed on palmer but still (with some trepidation) drafted chad. :lol: but only because it was the end of a run and is in a league that only starts 2 wrs (so there should be wire material if i need it....)still, i am surprised by palmer's stat line.
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Yup, I drafted Ocho under the same circumstances as well. I knew I should have drafted Winslow and waited another round to grab my number two WR.
 
NYRAGE said:
just a continuation from the second half of last season
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SteelerMurf said:
Palmer, had a great college career and one good year of NFL football. He is what he is. AVERAGE NFL QB
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Iwannabeacowboybaby! said:
The offensive line is very bad, he's constantly under duress. I watched many parts of this game and when Palmer is under pressure, he looks bad. He looks like a guy who's lost some confidence, like a war veteran who still hears gun shots in his head.....it seems to me like Palmer looks like he's waiting to get hit. When on the move, he looks lost and if you have Carson Palmer as a QB, I'd be very concerned.
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Rushmore said:
Yes, the OLine looked bad, but Carson seems to look like a deer in headlights when he moves from the pocket. It looks pretty embarrassing sometimes when he flops down or looks lost when he scrambles. I watch every game from this team, and this was one of those major kicks in the ###'s. I'm not feeling good about this team at all. 3rd verse, same as the first. :lmao:
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Those four posts basically tell the story
 
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I'm going to have to try to see if I can trade for Matt Schaub or get Matt cassel off waivers. It's been a bad first week for me. I have Braylon Edwards, Joe Addai, and Carson Palmer.

 
Challenge Everything said:
MrPhoenix said:
AhrnCityPahnder said:
HellToupee said:
Challenge Everything said:
Ah, crap. He found his way into the Shark Pool.
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:hophead: POTD
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Brush up on your FBG histories. He started here.
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I fully expect him to start a thread about how Sarah Palin would have performed in the Patriots offense last year.
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Would she have had enough experience?
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Her handlers and Belichick see eye to eye on public access issues, so it might have worked. :hophead:
 
palmer is a very talented qb. he has one of the best arms and sweet throws in the league.

the problem is the bengals o line, which is an atrocity at this point. this is compounded by his lack of mobility, that got even worse after the knee injury. still, its impressive how quick palmer gets rid of the ball as evidenced by the low sack total last year. looking at the stats one would think the bengals had a good line last year and many publications said as much. however, if you watched the games the line was horrible and palmer was just great at getting rid of the ball.

palmer is a pocket passer in the mold of bledsoe, but palmer makes better decisions and gets rid of the ball faster.

from a fantasy perspective palmer is a bad choice bc that team is going down the tubes.

 
Hang 10 said:
Todem said:
Relax. It was week one.Back away from the ledge.
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You might have a point if he didn't suck last year too.
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Yeah...4100 yards and 26 TD passes was sucking up the joint. Tell me about it. Housh hauling on 90+ balls from Palmer killed teams with TJ too...tell me more.Carson is struggling...the whole team is struggling. But from a fantasy perspective they will be airing out games all year and he will put up generous weeks for his owners ( I own him in one league) but more importantly Housh will be a huge force at WR again.Week one panic is what I call this. See it every year for the past 20. Things could be worse then having Carson Palmer as your starting QB. He is the least of the Bengals problems.
 
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SteelerMurf said:
Palmer, had a great college career and one good year of NFL football. He is what he is. AVERAGE NFL QB
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He actually only had a great 2nd half to his senior year.He threw more INTs than TDs going into his senior year.Although a lot of that could be put on Paul Hackett.
 
Todem said:
Hang 10 said:
Todem said:
Relax. It was week one.Back away from the ledge.
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You might have a point if he didn't suck last year too.
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Yeah...4100 yards and 26 TD passes was sucking up the joint. Tell me about it. Housh hauling on 90+ balls from Palmer killed teams with TJ too...tell me more.Carson is struggling...the whole team is struggling. But from a fantasy perspective they will be airing out games all year and he will put up generous weeks for his owners ( I own him in one league) but more importantly Housh will be a huge force at WR again.Week one panic is what I call this. See it every year for the past 20. Things could be worse then having Carson Palmer as your starting QB. He is the least of the Bengals problems.
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:moneybag: Palmer has these games every once in a while.It happens.
 
They Only lineman they drafted was Collins from Kansas in the 4th. They've let Pro Bowl OL's leave the team have not drafted first day talent to replace them and have made no middle high end free agent O line signings.

They have a top flight QB and WR's and have invested NOTHING in O line while watching their talent walk away.

BUNGLES forever.

 
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