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I Drafted with idiots... (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
You were pwnt. Not sure if this is was an online draft or not, but surely you should have monitored what other teams were doing re: QBs and switched gears when they started plucking their backup QBs from the vine. Time for you to start ramping up on your trading skills.
IMO, in a redraft + 1 keeper, you draft your starting lineup (except K & DEF) within the first 7-8 rounds and THEN you go for value.
IMO, in a redraft + 1 keeper, you draft your starting lineup (except K & DEF) within the first 7-8 rounds and THEN you go for value.
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Kub
Footballguy
I don't agree with this train of thought either. I am not sure I have ever selected a kicker before the last 2-3 rounds. Additionally, TE is a wild card position. If you don't get one of the top guys, there is not much separating the tight end you can get in the 8th round and the guy you can get in the 12th or later.
cstu
Footballguy
If your goal was to get value, why did you take McGahee with the 13th pick? Even if it were all RB's taken you should have had either SS or CJ. The same goes for JJ, who you got higher than his ADP.Then even after grabbing 3 RB's (after reaching for 2 of them) you reach, IMO, for Taylor when you still don't have a QB. Taylor is a decent pick here normally, but he wasn't that much value to pass up a QB when you weren't going to draft for 2 more rounds (I'd wager some good QB's came off the board in the 8th and 9th).
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Kub
Footballguy
Yeah, I was.I generally try to avoid any absolute rules. I have gotten great value based on many owners insistence on drafting their starting lineups first. In many years, I have foregone taking a starting QB until later rounds to secure RB or WR depth. I would simply take 2-3 QBs in the later rounds and either hope one panned out or play matchups all year. Personally, I am not thinking this year is a good year to do that.The only things I consider near locks in terms of fantasy is that you need at least 1 RB in the first 2 rounds and 2 RBs by the 4th(usually the 3rd) in leagues of 12 or more teams.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
-Crippler-
Footballguy
If after sitting at the table for an hour, you can't spot the fish....its probably you
sholditch
Footballguy
This is where you went horribly wrong.
9.12 Greg Jennings
10.1 Warrick Dunn
11.12 Brandon Jones
12.1 Kevin Jones
13.12 Chad Pennington
14.1 Jerrious Norwood (keeper)
15.12 Olinda Mare
16.1 OAK D
You already had your RB spot locked down and you take two backs who will likely never start for you in Dunn and Jones. You end up with a highly questionable DST and nothing but a big stable of mediocre backs with little trade value. Also not crazy about those WR picks.
But I was in a similar TD-heavy draft and didn't quite take full advantage. I loaded up on RBs that were falling too far (Edge in third, Lynch in fifth, Deuce in 7th, Barber in 14th) to go with SA at 7 overall. I ended up with McMichael as my starting TE. So I dealt Edge for Gates. You might be in a situation where you have to deal Mcgahee. Anyway
9.12 Greg Jennings
10.1 Warrick Dunn
11.12 Brandon Jones
12.1 Kevin Jones
13.12 Chad Pennington
14.1 Jerrious Norwood (keeper)
15.12 Olinda Mare
16.1 OAK D
You already had your RB spot locked down and you take two backs who will likely never start for you in Dunn and Jones. You end up with a highly questionable DST and nothing but a big stable of mediocre backs with little trade value. Also not crazy about those WR picks.
But I was in a similar TD-heavy draft and didn't quite take full advantage. I loaded up on RBs that were falling too far (Edge in third, Lynch in fifth, Deuce in 7th, Barber in 14th) to go with SA at 7 overall. I ended up with McMichael as my starting TE. So I dealt Edge for Gates. You might be in a situation where you have to deal Mcgahee. Anyway
Oh, don't bother with that article. Next time you find yourself drafting with a bunch of guppies who are clearly less intelligent than you, here's what you do: just share with them all of your expert shark advice and insight. That way they'll draft a team just as crappy as yours. No doubt they'll thank you after the fact for being so kind as to level the playing field for them . . .
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Dude, like, you're the guppy...like dude, there's another dude in your league like talking about you like right now like discussing how YOU'RE THE GUPPY. Like, sorry dude, like, that's just how it is.Pennington is like your only QB dude.Well. Everyone had already picked like 2 and 3 QBs each by then, dude...Pennington was like the only starter left besides like charlie frye or something.I know, it sucks. but WTF?
I felt like after hearing Kevin Jones was off the PUP (and we all know Tatum Bell sucks, lets be honest)...anyway...I felt like I had to take him in that spot. Brandon Jones is horrible by me, yes. I honestly think Bo Scaife will catch the most balls in TEN this year, but I got to see a private practice down in houston and i just thought of all the guys that VY flew in this summer, that B Jones looked most talented, gifted and on the same page as VY. I think Vince was starting to really trust him, so if he is healthy I guess I thought he could go big.
rolliehouliranson
Footballguy
It's no prize team, but it's not as bad as everyone on here is saying....
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Insoxicated
THIS is a team that owns the competition in a "guppy" league (friends and family)
10-team PPR - Start 3WR / 2RB
Romo / Kitna
SJax / Portis // Green / Foster / Betts
Harrison / TO / A Johnson // S Holmes / I Bruce
Shockey
Stover
Carolina
I agree with most that you fell pretty flat trying to focus on "value" and ignoring that those great "value" picks might never see the field and, meanwhile, you're having to start other subpar guys in weak positions. You'll prob make the playoffs but will need a LOT of luck to run deep.
10-team PPR - Start 3WR / 2RB
Romo / Kitna
SJax / Portis // Green / Foster / Betts
Harrison / TO / A Johnson // S Holmes / I Bruce
Shockey
Stover
Carolina
I agree with most that you fell pretty flat trying to focus on "value" and ignoring that those great "value" picks might never see the field and, meanwhile, you're having to start other subpar guys in weak positions. You'll prob make the playoffs but will need a LOT of luck to run deep.
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Warehouse Nasty
Footballguy
Harsh crowd here. You certainly have some weaknesses but you have trade bait and you'll have to use it.
QB - Pennington
RB - Bush, McGahee, JJ, Fred, Dunn/Norwood, KJ
WR - Housh, CJ2, Galloway, Jennings, Brandon Jones
TE - Gates
K - Mare
D - OAK
You HAVE to get a better QB than Pennington and I'd really like another WR2 to mix in there. You need to look at trading one of your RBs or if you have to, be open to the idea of trading Gates as a last resort. I'd look at 3 options:
1-Trade JJ for a decent QB. Maybe target the Marion Barber owner.
2-Trade Taylor for a decent QB
3-Wait until one of Dunn/Norwood has a great game and trade them
With as many RBs as you have some owner has to be short on them. Find an owner with too may QBs and pursue a trade. If you could get a decent QB your team would look much better.
If you're in a start 2 WR league you might be fine at WR but if you're in a start 3 league I'd also try to trade for another. Find a QB first with one of the first 3 options and your team will look MUCH better.
QB - Pennington
RB - Bush, McGahee, JJ, Fred, Dunn/Norwood, KJ
WR - Housh, CJ2, Galloway, Jennings, Brandon Jones
TE - Gates
K - Mare
D - OAK
You HAVE to get a better QB than Pennington and I'd really like another WR2 to mix in there. You need to look at trading one of your RBs or if you have to, be open to the idea of trading Gates as a last resort. I'd look at 3 options:
1-Trade JJ for a decent QB. Maybe target the Marion Barber owner.
2-Trade Taylor for a decent QB
3-Wait until one of Dunn/Norwood has a great game and trade them
With as many RBs as you have some owner has to be short on them. Find an owner with too may QBs and pursue a trade. If you could get a decent QB your team would look much better.
If you're in a start 2 WR league you might be fine at WR but if you're in a start 3 league I'd also try to trade for another. Find a QB first with one of the first 3 options and your team will look MUCH better.
aldelgreco
Footballguy
Thanks. That's great advice, although i didn't mean to make it an ACF-deal. But what you have said makes sense. it is only a "start 2" WR league.
Well, when he starts off by referring to the rest of his league as "idiots" and "guppies" and refers to their picks as "just straight stupid," then proceeds to post the sorry ### team he drafted, one might say he's kind of asking for it . . .
It's a decent team, close to the minimum in terms of overall quality that one would expect a competent owner to draft in a ten-team league. Hardly the sort of team I'd be boasting about at this point. Certainly have to see the rest of the league before declaring "ownage" on your part . . .
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Actually, unless I read his post wrong (I'm not going to re-read it), it sounds like there is more than one chick in that league.
Koya
Footballguy
Studs and Duds first cuzzin.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
If the other owners are truly rookies/guppies whatever you want to call them.. I would start checking the waiver wire now cause there certainly has to be some talent left undrafted.
I personally just drafted in a 12 team league and had pick 11, I am not thrilled about my team atm either.. but if you stay active and beat the WW daily, you will find some talent.
I personally just drafted in a 12 team league and had pick 11, I am not thrilled about my team atm either.. but if you stay active and beat the WW daily, you will find some talent.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Didn't want you to think I had no balls to post my squad, also these guys have all been in this league for years, none are newbs.
The set-up is 1qb, 1rb, 1flex, 2wr, 1k, 1def
McGahee
T.O
Roy Williams
Hines Ward
Peterson (The Vikes version, 2 viking fans in the league, I saw this as potential trade bait later)
Romo
F Taylor
Big Ben
Jerry Porter (He was my Homer pick)
Wilkins
Dallas Def
Jason Hanson
Tampa Def
That is the order in which they were drafted.
What sucks about being 11th pick is when a run on a position starts, unless you start it.. you are left out, at least that is how it seemed to me.
The set-up is 1qb, 1rb, 1flex, 2wr, 1k, 1def
McGahee
T.O
Roy Williams
Hines Ward
Peterson (The Vikes version, 2 viking fans in the league, I saw this as potential trade bait later)
Romo
F Taylor
Big Ben
Jerry Porter (He was my Homer pick)
Wilkins
Dallas Def
Jason Hanson
Tampa Def
That is the order in which they were drafted.
What sucks about being 11th pick is when a run on a position starts, unless you start it.. you are left out, at least that is how it seemed to me.
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aldelgreco
Footballguy
her husband is the commish. there is only one female in the league.
bbuster
Footballguy
You're right...this does sound sexist. He obviously is drafting with people that money is not an issue for. I have been invited to join a $500 league and if I could afford it, I would certainly do it.(CHICK HERE) Al, you definitely got some good advice here. You may or may not be able to salvage this year, but definitely come back and look at this before you draft next year. You'll have to weed through a lot of worthless posts, but in those cases you got what you deserved with your "idiots and guppies" comments and definitely with your sexist(and obviously jealous) "CHICK" comment.Good Luck.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Was this a redraft?
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that. 
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
1huskerfan
Footballguy
Hines in the 4th as your WR3 before your RB2 in a start 2 WR league may not have been a good move.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
Pittsburgh United
Footballguy
Well, I'd say you've officially deflected the glaring spotlight from the original poster, as your draft went worse than his!Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
thumbs up for honesty, though.RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Hines in the 4th as your WR3 before your RB2 in a start 2 WR league may not have been a good move.
You may be right, I am looking at Hines as my flex or Taylor, I think Taylor is being seriously undervalued this year. He is still the starting RB in Jacksonville, although I think if Peterson gets the bulk of the carries in Minny, he also has potential as a flex.
The flex in this league can only be RB or WR.
You may be right, I am looking at Hines as my flex or Taylor, I think Taylor is being seriously undervalued this year. He is still the starting RB in Jacksonville, although I think if Peterson gets the bulk of the carries in Minny, he also has potential as a flex.
The flex in this league can only be RB or WR.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
We shall see, I would love to have my team in his league if they are worse than him.Well, I'd say you've officially deflected the glaring spotlight from the original poster, as your draft went worse than his!Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
I took McGahee at 1.12 and I think he is a fine pick at that position... same as you..RB went all other picks (due to scoring). This was a month ago, before the preseason games...but I am still not worried about the showing during presason...mcGahee will be fine!Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
VaCatFan
Footballguy
Have you ever drafted with guppies and left with the sick feeling that you didn't really take advantage of their stupidness enough because you were too worried about value?
This was a 12 person redraft, non ppr, standard scoring. Start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1k, 1def
it gets even crazier in the later rounds..just straight stupid picks.
now i'm sitting here with my wang in my hand wondering what happened, though. I look at my team and don't like it because i didn't think about drafting a team as much as i was so happy to get certain players in certain spot that i went with the Matt Millen "best player on the board" strategy.
1. (10) Willie Parker RB
2. (15) Chad Johnson WR
3. (34) Antonio Gates TE
4. (39) Roy Williams WR
5. (58) Lee Evans WR
6. (63) Clinton Portis RB
7. (82) Ladell Betts RB
8. (87) LaMont Jordan RB
9. (106) DeAngelo Williams RB
10. (111) DeShaun Foster RB
11. (130) Isaac Bruce WR
12. (135) Alex Smith QB
13. (154) Eddie Kennison WR
14. (159) Jeff Wilkins K
15. (178) Oakland DEF
Help me......
Signed,
Guppy swimming with sharks
This was a 12 person redraft, non ppr, standard scoring. Start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1k, 1def
it gets even crazier in the later rounds..just straight stupid picks.
now i'm sitting here with my wang in my hand wondering what happened, though. I look at my team and don't like it because i didn't think about drafting a team as much as i was so happy to get certain players in certain spot that i went with the Matt Millen "best player on the board" strategy.
1. (10) Willie Parker RB
2. (15) Chad Johnson WR
3. (34) Antonio Gates TE
4. (39) Roy Williams WR
5. (58) Lee Evans WR
6. (63) Clinton Portis RB
7. (82) Ladell Betts RB
8. (87) LaMont Jordan RB
9. (106) DeAngelo Williams RB
10. (111) DeShaun Foster RB
11. (130) Isaac Bruce WR
12. (135) Alex Smith QB
13. (154) Eddie Kennison WR
14. (159) Jeff Wilkins K
15. (178) Oakland DEF
Help me......
Signed,
Guppy swimming with sharks
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
c'mon now, try this oneKitna/LeinartLT/Green/J Jones/Washington/DunnSmith/TO/A Johnson/S Holmes/Welker/WadeKII/ScaifeSFHanson - got booted for my 14/15 pick, would've had GB D instead, who cares about the kicker it gave me and I got Scaife and Wade 16/17 so I didn't care. Forgot to mention, it's 12 teams. Don't go too crazy, they are work friends and it's for fun. There were tons of reaches for Ds in the 4th, Kickers in th 5th, QBs in the 3rd, but it's all for fun and only $50. I won it last year and got the random #1. Thanks to all a youse that helped me figure out the strategy for 1.01. I think it worked out well. And I thought about this thread often, leaving "value" on the board for need at times. Other than a weak D situation (when I got bumped offline), this thread helped me a lot.
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Billy1x
Footballguy
We lost 4 people this year so we had to cancel our normal league. So we started a new league with people who have never played before. I went over the basic rules and gave them a copy of the Latest ADP list for reference. The idea is to get them exited about the game. Only two of us have any experience. We are drafting at lunch and I missed the first day so I got someone who doesn't even watch football to draft for me. I got:AddaiT. OwensR. WilliamsMcNabbI'll be scrambling Tuesday for RB help but its not about winning its about generating interest.
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Insoxicated
New to PPR leagues eh? In most PPR leagues Harrison / TO should outscore Gore / Addai / Larry Johnson.
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The squad listed above will need serious injuries and/or horrid luck to not walk into the championship game in a 10 team league.
CravenM
Footballguy
Good call - beat me to it. Couple of other suggestions:1) Package Gates and something for a Heap/Shockey and QB (Kitna/VYoung)2) Send KJ to the TBell owner for somethingPlus* * Two month suspension of pressing the "New Topic" button
bigfoamfinger
Footballguy
Any chance you can post the other rosters? Maybe it is not as bad as it seems.
Big Dumb Ape
Footballguy
Your 5/6 turn is what's keeping this from being a decent team. A RBBC back and a rookie WR, when other teams are grabbing their starting QB's is not a good thing unless you have a plan to get yours later, which you didn't. It's good to draft for value, but you should have a very good idea of where you expect the value to be. For example, I like the value from QB8-QB12 this year, and waited until 7-10 QB's were off the board in each league - I drafted my QB's in different rounds, but I got them when the value was there. Sometimes it was earlier, sometimes it was later. "Value" is a very relative term. Just so you know, every team that's trading with you knows you're hurting. The problem with leaving yourself SUCH a glaring weakness is that, when you trade, you're not going to be the one concerned about value, and everybody else knows it. It doesn't take a hardened FF veteran to know you're screwed without a QB. I'd be coming at you with something like Bruce/Leinart for Housh right now - and it probably makes sense for you on paper, which is a crappy place to be. I'm going to be offering up a couple 8th-10th round picks for your 3rd rounder. That's value.
Which QB's are on the wire?Particularly when he got a RB and a WR of comparable value at the 7/8 turn.Though the 9-11 picks (Jennings/Dunn/Jones) are atrocious too. Jennings and Jones are bye week filler at best, especially considering the WRs he already owned. Dunn was a slight reach given his ADP -- if he wanted a handcuff to Norwood that badly, there was no need to draft 4 RB in the first eight rounds. Either Dunn or Norwood (whichever gets the bulk of the carries) will be a good RB3 with RB2 potential. Yet he didn't seem to realize how that affected his draft strategy -- that is, if he had a strategy at all.Big Dumb Ape said:
cstu
Footballguy
You won't be.RavensUNFL said:Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.Pittsburgh United said:So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?RavensUNFL said:Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
Shermanator
Footballguy
There is some serious schtick going on here. No way someone drafts a team that bad, and starts a thread about how bad the guppies are in his league. I mean, c'mon. No way can this dude be serious.
Good one ADG
Good one ADG
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Based on the draft position in my league (in bold), you have some nice value picks there. However, you have to do better than Pennington as others have said.
RavensUNFL
Footballguy
Can you give me the winning numbers for this weeks Mega Millions also please? Thanks in advance!You won't be.RavensUNFL said:Yup, 9 of the first 10 picks were rb's, I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but at pick 11 there were no RB's I felt any better about still on the board. I think he can produce 1200-1400 and 10-14 tds and if he gets in that area I will be very happy with him.Pittsburgh United said:So you took McGahee at 1.11 as your RB1 in a redraft?RavensUNFL said:Yes, sorry thought I mentioned that.
Eric
Footballguy
Guys like you give fantasy football and the whole sport in general a very bad name. You say 'that CHICK' like females shouldn't be allowed to have anything to do with sports. The only idiot here is you. And yes, you're the guy who's going to finish last in your league.
