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I friggin HATE Brad Childress (1 Viewer)

timschochet

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So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."

Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)

HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?

There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...

 
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
only 20 carries for AP?? wow, tough break . . .
 
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how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.

 
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
Adrian Peterson has turned out way better than anyone even hoped and you're whining about carries? :hot:
 
how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.
Its killing me because the 20 carries occurred late- in the 1st quarter, it was something like 10 carries to 4 for Taylor. He's going with Taylor first and wasting time, and the prior game he didn't even use ADP in the 2nd half. Peterson is doing great, don't get me wrong, but he COULD have numbers like LT did last year, he is that good. But based upon what Childress is saying, there's going to be frustrating games ahead, where ADP only gets 12-15 carries. I want ADP Named the clear starter! Is that too much to ask? Hell yeah I'm greedy! The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
 
how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.
Its killing me because the 20 carries occurred late- in the 1st quarter, it was something like 10 carries to 4 for Taylor. He's going with Taylor first and wasting time, and the prior game he didn't even use ADP in the 2nd half. Peterson is doing great, don't get me wrong, but he COULD have numbers like LT did last year, he is that good. But based upon what Childress is saying, there's going to be frustrating games ahead, where ADP only gets 12-15 carries. I want ADP Named the clear starter! Is that too much to ask? Hell yeah I'm greedy! The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
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Maybe when he gets fired you can take his job. After all, you know more about football than he does, right?

 
this is the dumbest thread possibly ever. AP is a devastating runner for sure-but the vikings still worry about his shoulder(and him 'shouldering' the load so early). chester is still a good RB who can obviously pass block and recieve much much better than AP at this point.

 
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
i'm sure that if brad childress knew the split carries were hurting you he would change his gameplan... perhaps send him an email or call his office
 
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."

Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)

HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?

There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
when you stop posting... the insanity will be over
 
I don't mind it so much given his performance so far - most rookies hit a wall somewhere near the end of the season - I think tossing Taylor in occasionally helps keep Peterson fresh - and maybe fresh into your Fantasy playoffs....

Just MHO tho.

 
bonesman said:
timschochet said:
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."

Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)

HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?

There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
when you stop posting... the insanity will be over
:lmao: Ridiculous. Taylor is starting caliber and is going to keep AP fresh all season long. If he got hurt in a 30 carry game you'd be crying about running him too much. And if you're losing because of AP's production then you drafted very poorly.

 
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It is ridiculous you are complaining about Chestor Taylor. He is keeping Adrian Peterson so much fresher and his chance of injury is so much less. Plus, they need Chestor. It's not like Minnesota can throw efficiently.

 
I don't mind it so much given his performance so far
Three of those five games came with Taylor missing the game because of an injury. Assuming both Taylor and AD stay healthy this past week's game (20 carries) will certainly be the outlier, not the norm. The game from the week before (12 carries) will be much closer to the norm, with which he's going to need to average 7 or 8 ypc to even come close to meeting the expectations people currently have for him.And I say this as an AD owner in every league I'm in but one.
 
If Peterson is the hot hand, you know he's getting the carries no matter who the coach says is starting or what ratio he might be telling the press he's going with. If I had the fortune of being able to start him, I'd do so with confidence until he let me down.

 
bonesman said:
timschochet said:
So when is this going to stop already? "Chester is still the starter. Adrian will continue to contribute for us off of the bench."

Last week, Taylor had MORE carries than ADP (22 to 20)

HOW LONG IS THIS INSANITY GOING TO LAST?

There is no other head coach in this league who would not give Peterson 75-80% of the carries. Brad Childress is a STUPID STUPID man, and he is absolutely KILLING me...
when you stop posting... the insanity will be over
:thumbup: Ridiculous. Taylor is starting caliber and is going to keep AP fresh all season long. If he got hurt in a 30 carry game you'd be crying about running him too much. And if you're losing because of AP's production then you drafted very poorly.
Exactly. Would you REALLY want AD getting 80% of those 42 carries, given his injury history?
 
Could we just pin an 'OMG WTF Chester Taylor/ADP' thread because there are about 3 of these per week?

There are times when I question the non-use of ADP (e.g. when they are trailing and need to score quickly), but I really believe the RBBC helps ADP get those long runs. If he had been getting 25+ carries since week 1 I would be getting nervous about him hitting the proverbial rookie wall when his owners need the points the most.

I've said it before, but what does bother me are the kickoff returns. He is good at it, but I wish they'd only do it when they really needed it.

 
The announcer said it in the Bears game last week (before ADP went off mind you) that Chili has a little note on that play sheet to get ADP 20-25 touches per game.

For the last time folks: It's not the number of touches ADP gets, it's what he does with those touches. I've said that since Week 1. CT only helps keep ADP fresh. Fresh ADP = :goodposting:

Now stop crying for gods sake. He's the #1 RB in FF despite being in a RBBC. I think he's proved himself at this point.

Enjoy your 130/1+ game tomorrow...

 
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Didnt we see this post last year every week with Addai and Rhodes? When is everyone going to understand that maybe these young guys are s o good in their first season because the older vets are there to soften up defenses and provide some sort of leadership for them?

 
He should be getting more carries.....after all Larry Johnson is doing outstanding this year after his huge workload last year. It's obvious that the Vikings should run him into the ground as soon as possible.

 
timschochet said:
gman8343 said:
how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.
Its killing me because the 20 carries occurred late- in the 1st quarter, it was something like 10 carries to 4 for Taylor. He's going with Taylor first and wasting time, and the prior game he didn't even use ADP in the 2nd half. Peterson is doing great, don't get me wrong, but he COULD have numbers like LT did last year, he is that good. But based upon what Childress is saying, there's going to be frustrating games ahead, where ADP only gets 12-15 carries. I want ADP Named the clear starter! Is that too much to ask? Hell yeah I'm greedy! The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
:deadhorse: Wow.
 
ADP would not put up the numbers LT2 put up last year. ADP is a rookie. Rookie RBs arent used to the longer season and their production tails off towards the end of the year. Case in point -- check out the great LT2's numbers in his rookie season -- you'll see a clear downward trend after Game 10.

Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.

 
Exactly. Would you REALLY want AD getting 80% of those 42 carries, given his injury history?
The problem is not when they run the ball 42 times, it will be when they run it 20-25, and the 20-25 run games will be much more frequent than the 42 run games. Likewise, with only 10-12 carries he'll need to break a big one to be worthwhile, which for any running back is going to happen less often than not when we're talking about a 10-12 carry window.
The announcer said it in the Bears game last week (before ADP went off mind you) that Chili has a little note on that play sheet to get ADP 20-25 touches per game.For the last time folks: It's not the number of touches ADP gets, it's what he does with those touches. I've said that since Week 1. CT only helps keep ADP fresh. Fresh ADP = :thumbup:Now stop crying for gods sake. He's the #1 RB in FF despite being in a RBBC. I think he's proved himself at this point.Enjoy your 130/1+ game tomorrow...
This is what people can't seem to grasp. He has not been in a RBBC this season. He has been in a RBBC for two games. Luckily, he has broken off some 50+ yard runs in those games. But realistically for any RB there are going to be more games without 50+ yard runs than there will be with 50+ yard runs.Regardless, AD is a workhorse, 25-30 carry type back. Even keeping him fresh should not mean a 50/50 (or less) split where he'll end up with 10-15 carries in many games, it should not mean he's out of the game in key situations in the 4th quarter, and it should not mean that he's in on kickoffs.
 
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Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.
What's short-sighted is people pointing to his seasonal numbers and saying "see what he's done all year in a RBBC" when he hasn't been in a RBBC all year, or even half of it. Actually, short-sighted is a poor choice of words there. I think "wrong" or "flat out incorrect" are more suiting.
 
ADP would not put up the numbers LT2 put up last year. ADP is a rookie. Rookie RBs arent used to the longer season and their production tails off towards the end of the year. Case in point -- check out the great LT2's numbers in his rookie season -- you'll see a clear downward trend after Game 10.Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.
Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?Joseph AddaiDomanick WilliamsKevin JonesMaurice Jones-DrewCadillac WilliamsClinton PortisWilliam GreenAnthony ThomasJamal LewisEdgerrin James
 
QUOTE(Blueb @ Oct 20 2007, 10:48 PM) Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.What's short-sighted is people pointing to his seasonal numbers and saying "see what he's done all year in a RBBC" when he hasn't been in a RBBC all year, or even half of it. Actually, short-sighted is a poor choice of words there. I think "wrong" or "flat out incorrect" are more suiting.
Not that this is worth arguing over, but why is short-sighted a bad choice of words? I wasnt addressing the claim that ADP is or is not in an RBBC situation. I was talking about an owner wanting ADP to get all of the rushes now at the expense of preserving his legs throughout the season. That is very short sighted.
 
QUOTE(Blueb @ Oct 20 2007, 10:48 PM) Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.What's short-sighted is people pointing to his seasonal numbers and saying "see what he's done all year in a RBBC" when he hasn't been in a RBBC all year, or even half of it. Actually, short-sighted is a poor choice of words there. I think "wrong" or "flat out incorrect" are more suiting.
Not that this is worth arguing over, but why is short-sighted a bad choice of words? I wasnt addressing the claim that ADP is or is not in an RBBC situation. I was talking about an owner wanting ADP to get all of the rushes now at the expense of preserving his legs throughout the season. That is very short sighted.
I was saying short-sighted wasn't as fitting in my sentence as the other terms (and incinuating that it was even worse than being short-sighted), not in your sentence. Now that I re-read it it seems like it could be read either way, but the way you read it is not the way I intended it. Hopefully that clears it up some.
 
Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?

Joseph Addai

Domanick Williams

Kevin Jones

Maurice Jones-Drew

Cadillac Williams

Clinton Portis

William Green

Anthony Thomas

Jamal Lewis

Edgerrin James
Caddy is the first guy that comes to mind when hearing the phrase "hitting the rookie wall".
 
I don't mind it so much given his performance so far - most rookies hit a wall somewhere near the end of the season - I think tossing Taylor in occasionally helps keep Peterson fresh - and maybe fresh into your Fantasy playoffs....Just MHO tho.
It is ridiculous you are complaining about Chestor Taylor. He is keeping Adrian Peterson so much fresher and his chance of injury is so much less. Plus, they need Chestor. It's not like Minnesota can throw efficiently.
:goodposting:sThis is a team that can't throw the ball w/ any concistency and will run it 40+ times/gm. I have no problem whatsoever with how he is being used other than the kick returns. I don't want Peterson running down come weeks 14-16 ('cause if you got him, you're probably looking @ playoffs).
 
I don't mind it so much given his performance so far - most rookies hit a wall somewhere near the end of the season - I think tossing Taylor in occasionally helps keep Peterson fresh - and maybe fresh into your Fantasy playoffs....

Just MHO tho.
It is ridiculous you are complaining about Chestor Taylor. He is keeping Adrian Peterson so much fresher and his chance of injury is so much less. Plus, they need Chestor. It's not like Minnesota can throw efficiently.
:goodposting:sThis is a team that can't throw the ball w/ any concistency and will run it 40+ times/gm. I have no problem whatsoever with how he is being used other than the kick returns. I don't want Peterson running down come weeks 14-16 ('cause if you got him, you're probably looking @ playoffs).
Not if Childress is "frigging killing" the OP's team. Sounds like his team is doing pporly and he needs superhuman production from AP to win.
 
Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?

Joseph Addai

Domanick Williams

Kevin Jones

Maurice Jones-Drew

Cadillac Williams

Clinton Portis

William Green

Anthony Thomas

Jamal Lewis

Edgerrin James
Caddy is the first guy that comes to mind when hearing the phrase "hitting the rookie wall".
Weeks 11-17: 157 carries, 662 yards, 4 TDs.Now I'm confused. Is "hitting the rookie wall" a good thing? Go AD go!

 
ADP would not put up the numbers LT2 put up last year. ADP is a rookie. Rookie RBs arent used to the longer season and their production tails off towards the end of the year. Case in point -- check out the great LT2's numbers in his rookie season -- you'll see a clear downward trend after Game 10.Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.
Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?Joseph AddaiDomanick WilliamsKevin JonesMaurice Jones-DrewCadillac WilliamsClinton PortisWilliam GreenAnthony ThomasJamal LewisEdgerrin James
How many of these guys were getting the 80% of the team's carries their rookie year, as the OP wants for AP? Anyone who spent time sharing with another back, like Addai, only go to prove the point of resting the rooks throughout the year so their production does not tail off. MJD comes to mind as well since IIRC he didn't spend the first 10 weeks as the primary back. So scratch any of those guys off the list who shared significant time, especially in the first half of the season. They only prove the opposit epoint.
 
QUOTE(Blueb @ Oct 20 2007, 09:48 PM) ADP would not put up the numbers LT2 put up last year. ADP is a rookie. Rookie RBs arent used to the longer season and their production tails off towards the end of the year. Case in point -- check out the great LT2's numbers in his rookie season -- you'll see a clear downward trend after Game 10.Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?Joseph AddaiDomanick WilliamsKevin JonesMaurice Jones-DrewCadillac WilliamsClinton PortisWilliam GreenAnthony ThomasJamal LewisEdgerrin James
If I have time today I'll check these guys one by one. But, based on the few posts between this one and yours, it seems like you just checked for strong RB production in the last few games of these RBs rookie season. That definitely isnt enough. As was pointed out, you must find examples of RBs that carried a heavy load the entire year AND produced strongly in the last few weeks of the season to prove your point. For instance, Caddillac, after a ridiculous first 3 weeks of his rookie season had ~10 carries for games for the subsequent 4 games. He had a similar stretch later on in the season. So, for the last 2 games he was actually quite preserved.I dont have the numbers on me, but I recall that MJD came on midway through the season (I'll check this later). Addai split time with Rhodes last year for much of the season. Also, I havent checked his numbers yet, but are you sure you want William Green on any list whatsoever that is somehow related to positive stats for RBs??
 
I think what the OP's mostly referring to is the LAST game against the Pack when AD had 110 yards at Halftime on 10 carries. The HC then gave him 2 carries in the 2nd half while they were only down 7 points.

It made ZERO sense. Any game that Chester Taylor has more carries than AD unless Minny's blowing someone out, should reflect bad on the HC.

A STUD RB, rookie or not should get 70% of the carries...PERIOD.

 
I think what the OP's mostly referring to is the LAST game against the Pack when AD had 110 yards at Halftime on 10 carries. The HC then gave him 2 carries in the 2nd half while they were only down 7 points.It made ZERO sense. Any game that Chester Taylor has more carries than AD unless Minny's blowing someone out, should reflect bad on the HC. A STUD RB, rookie or not should get 70% of the carries...PERIOD.
In FF absolutely. In the real NFL -- I disagree. Im not necessarily saying I disagree for the game against the Pack. If the game was on the line you put your best guys out there. Clearly. But if you are pretty sure you can win without overusing ADP you do it. Especially if you have aspirations for him to be a big factor at the end of the season. And making blanket statements about 70% of the carries or always having more than Taylor is silly. What if Taylor is in a zone for game? Or ADP isnt?
 
timschochet said:
The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
Sounds like Childress really needs to get his priorities straight. :blackdot:
 
ADP would not put up the numbers LT2 put up last year. ADP is a rookie. Rookie RBs arent used to the longer season and their production tails off towards the end of the year. Case in point -- check out the great LT2's numbers in his rookie season -- you'll see a clear downward trend after Game 10.Say thank you ADP is being saved -- maybe he'll be as productive at the end of your FF season when you need him the most. Wanting him to get all the touches now isnt just greedy; it's stupid and shortsighted as well.
Can you point out where the following RBs production tailed off during their rookie years?Joseph AddaiDomanick WilliamsKevin JonesMaurice Jones-DrewCadillac WilliamsClinton PortisWilliam GreenAnthony ThomasJamal LewisEdgerrin James
Joe Addai consistently saw under 20 carries a game the entire year.Dom Davis?? 11 weeks under 20 carriesKevin Jones didn't see 20 carries until week 13MJD 9 games under TEN! carriesPortis was a bit more of a workhorse back in his RY, but still saw 8 games under 20 carriesGreen had 7 weeks in the first 9 under 10 carries (all under 20)AThomas didn't get 20+ carries until week six of his rookie year and missed weeks 3,11 and 12.Jamal 8 weeks in the first 9 under 20 carries. Probably the reason he had 25+ carries per week in the last seven games was due to NOT BEING PLAYED A LOT THE FIRST FEW WEEKS!!!James was a workhorse back his entire RY, so you got one.I would say that 90% of the subjects you've mentioned were treated with kid gloves if not their entire RY but for at least the first portion of it. That they were successful at the ends of their RY's might have something to do with this.
 
I think that AP needs to have his carries limited this year for one reason alone:

We need to be able to argue next year whether or not he can carry the full load as he's never done it before. If he carries the full load this year, how will we do that?

 
timschochet said:
gman8343 said:
how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.
Its killing me because the 20 carries occurred late- in the 1st quarter, it was something like 10 carries to 4 for Taylor. He's going with Taylor first and wasting time, and the prior game he didn't even use ADP in the 2nd half. Peterson is doing great, don't get me wrong, but he COULD have numbers like LT did last year, he is that good. But based upon what Childress is saying, there's going to be frustrating games ahead, where ADP only gets 12-15 carries. I want ADP Named the clear starter! Is that too much to ask? Hell yeah I'm greedy! The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
Dude you are clueless.. You think coaches make decissions based on Fantasy?? Come on they need to keep him fresh.. It takes time to carry the load full time.. Some never get there.. PS: why am I replying to a whinny kid??
 
King of the Wolfies said:
try owning MB3 and getting a whooping 8 carries a game.
try owning Jerious Norwood and getting a whopping 6 carries a game while Warrick Dunn averages two yards less per attempt.
 
King of the Wolfies said:
try owning MB3 and getting a whooping 8 carries a game.
try owning Jerious Norwood and getting a whopping 6 carries a game while Warrick Dunn averages two yards less per attempt.
That's painful.. I have Norwood in a few leagues... I am just waiting for Atlanta to pack it in and tell Dunn they are looking towards the future.. It will happen hopefully soon..
 
timschochet said:
gman8343 said:
how is he killing you? Is ADP not performing well enough? 20 carries a week seems like more than enough for a guy like him.
Its killing me because the 20 carries occurred late- in the 1st quarter, it was something like 10 carries to 4 for Taylor. He's going with Taylor first and wasting time, and the prior game he didn't even use ADP in the 2nd half. Peterson is doing great, don't get me wrong, but he COULD have numbers like LT did last year, he is that good. But based upon what Childress is saying, there's going to be frustrating games ahead, where ADP only gets 12-15 carries. I want ADP Named the clear starter! Is that too much to ask? Hell yeah I'm greedy! The rest of my team is decent, but ADP can put me through to the championsjip,. if only Brad would get some sense!
:lmao: Wow.
:goodposting: I kind of want to hand him a brown sandwich bag to breath into so he doesn't hyperventilate.
 
I was NOT whining when I started this thread...

OK, maybe I was whining...

The thing people have got to realize is that there aren't going to be that many games with 40-45 runnung plays to divide up. Most games will have 20-25, especially if its a team that fall behind a lot, like the Vikings probably will for the rest of the year. This means that under this coach, ADP will get 10-12 carries a game. So far, he's been awesome even with those numbers, but I don't think he's going to continue to avearge 10 yrds a carry. Which means he will have some dissappointing weeks coming up unless the coach changes his plan.

As far as ADP being a rookie, with the so-called "rookie walll", you can't compare him to other normal rookies. Compare him instead to those few once-in-a-lifetime rookies, like Randy Moss, Big Ben, Atonio Gates, etc. people that come into this league and turn it on its ear in their first year.

It's great that Chester Taylor should be used to rest ADP for the whole year, but splitting time 50-50 or worse? It makes no sense for the team, its bad for me, and that's why I friggin hate Brad Childress.

 

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