GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
It's all about over-reaction and homerism.
NONE of it matters whatsoever, except for injuries and drug suspensions.
NONE of it matters whatsoever, except for injuries and drug suspensions.
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I looooove the Preseason.... (1 Viewer)
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Colin Dowling
Footballguy
...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman... 
diesel7982
Footballguy
At least for the 31 teams that have a 1st or 2nd string RB...
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Griese was 5-1 as a starter last year. 63% completion percentage for his career.I would have NO problem with him as the Bears starter - but much like Angelo won't trade for a legitimate #2WR or #1TE, he'll never stick a fork in his beloved Rex Grossman and his 53% completion percentage and 4TDs in 3 seasons....and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
nflguru
Footballguy
Grid - How did Griese look last night? I only caught part of the first quarter and grossman didnt look that great. I know they were missing kreutz and both rbs were out with perterson starting... Griese is a decent qb and could displace grossman if he plays poorly in the early half of the season.Griese was 5-1 as a starter last year. 63% completion percentage for his career.I would have NO problem with him as the Bears starter - but much like Angelo won't trade for a legitimate #2WR or #1TE, he'll never stick a fork in his beloved Rex Grossman and his 53% completion percentage and 4TDs in 3 seasons....and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Griese looked good - 6/7 for 134 and 2 TDs.
Grossman looked like Kyle Boller - 3/11 for 47.
Grossman looked like Kyle Boller - 3/11 for 47.
Hi Grid,I have to disagree. I love the preseason too but for lots of guys it's hugely important. Grossman / Griese comes to mind there.The first year I really started believing it was Isaac Bruce's rookie year when he went nuts in the preseason. I agree homerism and emotion swings go too far, but I really think there is MUCH to be learned in August.J
ffchamp1
Footballguy
I didn't think Rex looked all that bad. I was baffled as to how the WR's would always be running away from where he was throwing, obviously they have work to do because Rex looked like a combo of John Unitas and Joe Montana. Tom...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
I'm just saying if Grossman passes at a 50-55% clip for the first few games, Griese and his career 63% at 7+ ypa are going to start looking very appealing.I didn't think Rex looked all that bad. I was baffled as to how the WR's would always be running away from where he was throwing, obviously they have work to do because Rex looked like a combo of John Unitas and Joe Montana. Tom...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
nflguru
Footballguy
I did notice the route running was mixed up at points, so I guess you can't put it all on Rex.. As for a combo of John Unitas and Montana.. thats a stretch to say the least.I didn't think Rex looked all that bad. I was baffled as to how the WR's would always be running away from where he was throwing, obviously they have work to do because Rex looked like a combo of John Unitas and Joe Montana. Tom...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yep. Larry Johnson had two 90+ yard runs in preseason last year. Now granted, it didn't take a hardcore FF fanatic to know that if you took Priest, you had to handcuff him to L.J. But if you'll recall, before Johnson's preseason performances last year, he was far from a sure thing. Everyone thought he was still in Vermeil's dog house. Without those fake games, owners might not have realized just HOW HARD they needed to go after L.J.
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ffchamp1
Footballguy
I was joking...Rex looked horribleI did notice the route running was mixed up at points, so I guess you can't put it all on Rex.. As for a combo of John Unitas and Montana.. thats a stretch to say the least.I didn't think Rex looked all that bad. I was baffled as to how the WR's would always be running away from where he was throwing, obviously they have work to do because Rex looked like a combo of John Unitas and Joe Montana. Tom...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Griese and Smith looked solid, but if it weren't for the Bears two turnovers, the score would be different...Gamebook:Grid - How did Griese look last night? I only caught part of the first quarter and grossman didnt look that great. I know they were missing kreutz and both rbs were out with perterson starting... Griese is a decent qb and could displace grossman if he plays poorly in the early half of the season.Griese was 5-1 as a starter last year. 63% completion percentage for his career.I would have NO problem with him as the Bears starter - but much like Angelo won't trade for a legitimate #2WR or #1TE, he'll never stick a fork in his beloved Rex Grossman and his 53% completion percentage and 4TDs in 3 seasons....and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/gamebook/NFL_20060811_CHI@SF
158.3 QB rating for Griese
Grossman had the worst of all QBs: 44.9
nflguru
Footballguy
I had a feeling you were... I'm sure that will be the only time you see his name in the same sentence as the other two superstars..I was joking...Rex looked horribleI did notice the route running was mixed up at points, so I guess you can't put it all on Rex.. As for a combo of John Unitas and Montana.. thats a stretch to say the least.I didn't think Rex looked all that bad. I was baffled as to how the WR's would always be running away from where he was throwing, obviously they have work to do because Rex looked like a combo of John Unitas and Joe Montana. Tom...and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Flippant post on my part... Game 3 is what matters most in my book. (Check out Mike Anderson's performance against Indy last year) In the first couple of weeks, none of the stars of playoff bound teams see any significant gametime after the Vick / Pennington debacles from a few seasons ago.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
When the 1s play the 1s, it's notable. Unfortunately even in those situations you're not often seeing what you need to because teams play vanilla base offenses and defenses. Preseason games matter, sure, but they don't matter any more than the dozens of intense practices that each team is going through during camp; which has an immeasurable impact on coach's perceptions, the depth charts, health and ability to execute the playbook. But, since we all get to see the preseason games but not most practices, we all have a tendency to overvalue the handful of plays while downplaying the hundreds of snaps these guys went through off camera.
nflguru
Footballguy
True - 1s playing the 1s matter.. but they dont open the playbook in preseason as you mentioned and its difficult to say that the plays/scores/performances in pre-season are of value... Once and a while you will see a player breakout and this is valuable (at least for the football geeks here that of course draft them in the later rounds and boast about how great they will become 
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ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
The one thing that i've learned after years of pre-season games is that outside of a few select position battles it means nothing, absolutely nothing.
I actually think the news out of training camps is much more important than the actual preseason games.
I actually think the news out of training camps is much more important than the actual preseason games.
I'm just hoping the guys I'm targetting don't have great preseasons. I hate to seeing the guys I want moving up the draft boards, just because they had big preseason games. 
Also all of you who are targeting Bush in the middle/late third should tune it this evening. All it will take is 1 to 2 of his heisman runs and he'll move into late second.
Also all of you who are targeting Bush in the middle/late third should tune it this evening. All it will take is 1 to 2 of his heisman runs and he'll move into late second.
Mr Capicollo
Footballguy
Still a 7-9 team in a 9-7 division....and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
ffnut
Footballguy
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Im not sure I think anyone in that Division can be counted on to go 9-7.Still a 7-9 team in a 9-7 division....and the fact that Brian Griese is a better QB than Rex Grossman...
I look for one thing in preseason games... CHEMISTRY. Which teams have it and which ones don't.
Just from what I've seen in limited fashion...
Raiders don't have it yet.
Lions do have it.
NE has it.
I'll look for more tonight.
I think Gore and Smith are developing it.... we'll see.
Just from what I've seen in limited fashion...
Raiders don't have it yet.
Lions do have it.
NE has it.
I'll look for more tonight.
I think Gore and Smith are developing it.... we'll see.
Hi Iluv,I have to disagree a little there. As is the case with Mike Bell, even with vanilla defenses there is a huge focus on producing "live" in a game setting.
Shanahan on Mike Bell's promotion to #1:
Practice got him to #1 on the DC. The preseason games will have a huge say in whether he can stay there IMO.J
The best part of this thread to me is Wingnut's new aviator.
