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Not 200 like this.How many Native Americans does it take for their opinions to matter to you?
Not 200 like this.How many Native Americans does it take for their opinions to matter to you?
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We will begin by noting this is Indigenous Peoples Day where we honor the very first inhabitants of this land.
This is being recognized by four states (MN, VT, AK & SD), sixty cities (LA, Seattle, Denver, Phoenix, Austin, Nashville), and a growing number of college campuses instead of Columbus Day. Hopefully the numbers will increase every year.
Here is a link to the Twitter hashtag #IndigenousPeoplesDay2018 for those that are interested:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/IndigenousPeoplesDay2018?src=tren
This is really hard to stomach. Right wing comedian (?) Stephen Crowder has put out a video "Goodbye, Columbus Day" for PragerU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxYVbC283uM&feature=youtu.be
This video denies Native American genocide, while decrying the "barbarism" of indigenous peoples, and justifies the battle of wounded knee.
Happy Indigenous Peoples' Day!
New Mexico, Maine and other states are celebrating their first Indigenous Peoples Day as part of a trend to move away from a day honoring Christopher Columbus.
https://apnews.com/32759d8251a14b22974c3fe00bfbd6e0?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
Julián Castro @JulianCastro 50m50 minutes ago
Today our campaign joins more than 100 cities and eight states in the celebration of #IndigenousPeoplesDay. We honor the more than 573 tribes across the US, their land we live on, their contributions to the world, and the resiliency of Indigenous people.
Elizabeth Warren @ewarren 46m46 minutes ago
The story of America’s mistreatment of indigenous peoples is long and painful. And yet, Native communities have proven resilient. We owe them our respect—and we must honor our government's commitments and promises to them. #IndigenousPeoplesDay
How many Native Americans does it take for their opinions to matter to you?
#indigenouspeoplesdayNot 200 like this.
So, only 200 NA's in the US celebrate #indigenouspeoplesday? Somehow I doubt that.#indigenouspeoplesday
It's funny how you use natives as a prop to virtue signal, even sharing a tweet from a politician that falsely co-opted their identity, but the second they get out of line it's like they don't exist. Incredible really.So, only 200 NA's in the US celebrate #indigenouspeoplesday? Somehow I doubt that.
Unlike you, I have never held out a small sample size of 200 Native Americans as indicate of anything, like how indigenous people feel.It's funny how you use natives as a prop to virtue signal, even sharing a tweet from a politician that falsely co-opted their identity, but the second they get out of line it's like they don't exist. Incredible really.
I never held them out as anything other than signees to a letter.Unlike you, I have never held out a small sample size of 200 Native Americans as indicate of anything, like how indigenous people feel.
Could have sworn she took time to address this after the initial dust up recently.How many Native Americans does it take for their opinions to matter to you?
She's worried about more than 1/1024th of Bloomberg's NDAsCould have sworn she took time to address this after the initial dust up recently.
She did.Could have sworn she took time to address this after the initial dust up recently.
If you knew any American Indians, you would know that they tend to take a dim view of white people pretending to be Indian. Obviously that's a generalization, no population of any size monolithically agrees on anything, but this is a pretty widespread view that cuts across most tribes.Unlike you, I have never held out a small sample size of 200 Native Americans as indicate of anything, like how indigenous people feel.
Oh for ####'s sake. She did no such thing.If you knew any American Indians, you would know that they tend to take a dim view of white people pretending to be Indian. Obviously that's a generalization, no population of any size monolithically agrees on anything, but this is a pretty widespread view that cuts across most tribes.
Wapo story...Oh for ####'s sake. She did no such thing.
It's definitely not Bernie... she's had lots of knives out for him for the last monthEvery single one of her commercials is attacking Bloomberg even though he has yet to log a delegate and everyone else is beating her up and down in the primaries. I cant figure out if its Bernie Bros or the DNC paying her off.
She very well could. One of my wife’s sorority sisters is real politically active in the CA Democratic Party these days. Shockingly enough she and I get along really well, but I digress. Anyway she’s a huge Warren person. Not sure if that’s a wider view within party people there or not. She’s pretty vocal about not having another old white guy, etc and Warren actually being a Democrat, etc. I’d think at the least it could help Warren in places like CA where it’s pretty left already. I also think it may help her a touch in MA where those few supporting Pete and Amy in MA could turn to someone they know.Might be wishful thinking on my part but I feel like Warren might grab enough Buttigieg and Klobuchar and Steyer voters to be viable in a bunch of places that she otherwise would not.
She has no path to win the most delegates.Warren has no path going forward.
From a pure popcorn perspective a brokered convention where they give the nod to the Warren would be magnificent.Sinn Fein said:She has no path to win the most delegates.
But, you could make the case that in a brokered convention, she is the compromise candidate amongst Sanders, Warren, and Biden. She certainly leans further left than Biden, but has more establishment ties/connections than Sanders.
If she stays in the race, and performs reasonably well ~15+% effectively keeping anyone from a majority of delegates - she will wield a lot of power at the convention.
My household was 2 votes for Warren. It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.JB Breakfast Club said:Proud to say I voted for Warren. I am just hoping she picks up enough delegates to broker the convention and keep Bloomberg from gaining any momentum.
Do what now?My household was 2 votes for Warren. It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.
But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?Sinn Fein said:She has no path to win the most delegates.
But, you could make the case that in a brokered convention, she is the compromise candidate amongst Sanders, Warren, and Biden. She certainly leans further left than Biden, but has more establishment ties/connections than Sanders.
If she stays in the race, and performs reasonably well ~15+% effectively keeping anyone from a majority of delegates - she will wield a lot of power at the convention.
Does warren even get 25% of the female vote?My household was 2 votes for Warren. It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.
She would be the only choice that could unite Bernie and Biden voters...alleviating the fears that Bernie would lose by being too far left and Biden would lose by being a terrible candidate.But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?
Imagine it's 40% Biden, 40% Bernie, 20% Warren. Warren says to Bernie "make me the nominee otherwise the superdelegates are going to make Biden the nominee." What do you think Bernie does in that scenario?But I just don't see how she'll ever have the kind of leverage to be the top of the ticket in a brokered scenario. She'd be "last" among those three -- where does her argument come from that, in fact, the voters were wrong all along and she should really be the nominee?
I think Warren has a lot more to lose (long term) in that scenario. But I guess they're all old, so maybe that doesn't matter. Still, I think if Bernie agreed in that scenario you'd run a lot of the same risks of a brokered convention for Biden, that a good chunk of his passionate base sits out no matter what he says to them about voting for the nominee.Imagine it's 40% Biden, 40% Bernie, 20% Warren. Warren says to Bernie "make me the nominee otherwise the superdelegates are going to make Biden the nominee." What do you think Bernie does in that scenario?
Yeah, I agree it's problematic but that's a way it could potentially happen.I think Warren has a lot more to lose (long term) in that scenario. But I guess they're all old, so maybe that doesn't matter. Still, I think if Bernie agreed in that scenario you'd run a lot of the same risks of a brokered convention for Biden, that a good chunk of his passionate base sits out no matter what he says to them about voting for the nominee.
Again, in that situation, Bernie is in the much stronger position and in any rational world where Warren cares more about policy than personal success, I don't see why she wouldn't just align with him instead.
ren hoek said:
Adam Elmahrek @adamelmahrek
BREAKING: More than 200 Cherokees and other Native Americans have signed a letter
She's somewhat polarizing and advocates policies like M4All and eliminating all student debt. What is her path to being a unifier or an acceptable choice to Biden voters?She would be the only choice that could unite Bernie and Biden voters...alleviating the fears that Bernie would lose by being too far left and Biden would lose by being a terrible candidate.
Those policies both poll as broadly popular.She's somewhat polarizing and advocates policies like M4All and eliminating all student debt. What is her path to being a unifier or an acceptable choice to Biden voters?
That's probably a reasonable projection among my friends. Or lower. I don't know yet where everyone went post-Pete and Amy.Does warren even get 25% of the female vote?
parasaurolophus said:
Wapo story...
Elizabeth warren apologizes for calling herself native american.
I never thought she did it intentionally. Though, knowing that it had to be only a small % of blood (since she'd know status of the mot recent generations), designating her race as American Indian for her Texas Bar registration does lean that way.. There's little evidence to show that Warren had any sort of intent to deceive, as she never claimed to have 100% native blood.
Never really had a chance as it was Bernie or Liz on the socialism side. Just like in a horse race you need bodies to fill out the field. Warren was an also ran who never had a real shot at winning anything. I was surprised she did not bail out like Pete and Amy did to help Biden to help Bernie.Warren done. Good riddance.
Why would it lean that way? That data was not used for anything but demographic reporting.I never thought she did it intentionally. Though, knowing that it had to be only a small % of blood (since she'd know status of the mot recent generations), designating her race as American Indian for her Texas Bar registration does lean that way.
When you write off what would be the first Jewish American president in history as "white dude".My household was 2 votes for Warren. It has to be extremely frustrating for women to watch yet another election where a woman is clearly the superior candidate intellectually gets beaten by older, less intelligent white dudes.
She sees the big picture. She understands her situation and is trying to help America.Every single one of her commercials is attacking Bloomberg even though he has yet to log a delegate and everyone else is beating her up and down in the primaries. I cant figure out if its Bernie Bros or the DNC paying her off.
It's either deliberate deceit or gross ignorance. Family lore that your great-great-grandfather might have been Cherokee doesn't make you Cherokee, even under the most racist possible version of the one drop rule. A Harvard law professor really ought to know that.I can't speak for RHE, but it seemed like he was taking issue with Ivan's rather broad definition of the word "pretending" – a word that typically implies deceit. There's little evidence to show that Warren had any sort of intent to deceive, as she never claimed to have 100% native blood.
Also, the WaPo story is unclear about exactly what Warren apologized for. Did she apologize for identifying as Native American, or did she apologize for implying that she was a member of, or eligible to be a member of, the Cherokee tribe? From what I can glean from Warren's statements, it seems like she has only apologized for the latter thing. (Which may explain why various Native activists are demanding another apology.)