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I Warned You Guys About Cedric Benson (1 Viewer)

sholditch said:
Jagerbomber said:
Bull Dozier said:
Jagerbomber said:
JohnnyU said:
NatronIsMean said:
When the Chicago media smell blood, get ready for obnoxious swarming. Benson IS the reason that there is a hint of blood in the water, like it or not. I don't like the jump-to-conclusions and controversy-swarming aspect of the Chicago media, but it isn't something new.

There will be no apology and the vilification of Benson is nothing new in this town. The media in Chicago stereotype faster than a French waiter.
......which I'm sure will lead to Benson eventually leaving Chicago. I don't think the Chicago media has the best interest of the Bears in mind. If I was a Bears fan living in Chicago, I would be upset with this. Maybe quit buying their newspaper.
Well actually...I think it's not just the media that dislikes Benson. Are you from around Chicago? Listed to ESPN1000, a lot of people have been #####ing about Benson since he held out. Chicago is a blue-collar type of town and they don't like any attitude. So I'm not sure there's a huge outrage about the articleI can't believe this thread is still alive. THanks JohnnyU :)
The '86 Bears didn't have any attitude?
I meant selfish attitudes, my bad. Sure, the 86 Bears were a collection of egomaniacs (Jim McMahon chief amongst them) but at the end of the day they were about winning.First of all, drafting Benson wasn't exactly the most popular move. I think they had wanted Cadillac or somebody else. I recall being at Wrigleyville bars during the 2005 draft day and people booing the pick. Second, he did all the rounds with the media and he "promised" and "guaranteed" that he would report to camp on time and that he was there to work (his words). So when he held out, people just decided he was full of crap and selfish. So the media coming out with these stories is just pandering to the section of fans that don't like him.

Any Bears homers around here? I spend about 50% of my time working in Chicago and the suburbs and haven't met any Bear fan that's all that distraught about him not playing. Benson will turn out to be good, I think, and the fans will come around. But for now...it's Thomas Jones.
I've been a Bears fan since 1977 and (active since 85, I was 8) and I have seen everything this kid has done. It's BS and the Sun Times and everyone else need to stop it.Holdout:

Anyone who knows anything about the Bears knows that they are the biggest penny-pinchers in the NFL. Benson hired an agent and his agent did his job. Furthermore, it was Benson's own initiative without the consent of his agent that got him to sign. If you're going to blame players for trying to get paid (in his case against the toughest of circumstances) then you must have a hard time liking anyone in the NFL. It's a business. No further explanation should be required for anyone with a cursory knowldege of the Bear's financial strategy and professional sports. Plus, it was OVER A YEAR AGO. I don't live in Chicago but if I did I would tell people to get over it and support their team.

Attitude:

As I said before, 100% created by the media with an obvious axe to grind. Not going to cover it further. It's pissing of the coach and it's pissing me off.

Personally, I don't care who runs the ball so long as it is effective and helps us win games. But the faqct is that they are two different style runners whose styles compliment each other and Lovie and the RB coach need to do a better job of utlising both backs and they realize that.

Hopefully the statement by Lovie, essentially telling the media to back off, will put an end to this horsecrap. Any true Bears fan wants that.
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Jagerbomber said:
Bull Dozier said:
Jagerbomber said:
JohnnyU said:
NatronIsMean said:
When the Chicago media smell blood, get ready for obnoxious swarming. Benson IS the reason that there is a hint of blood in the water, like it or not. I don't like the jump-to-conclusions and controversy-swarming aspect of the Chicago media, but it isn't something new.

There will be no apology and the vilification of Benson is nothing new in this town. The media in Chicago stereotype faster than a French waiter.
......which I'm sure will lead to Benson eventually leaving Chicago. I don't think the Chicago media has the best interest of the Bears in mind. If I was a Bears fan living in Chicago, I would be upset with this. Maybe quit buying their newspaper.
Well actually...I think it's not just the media that dislikes Benson. Are you from around Chicago? Listed to ESPN1000, a lot of people have been #####ing about Benson since he held out. Chicago is a blue-collar type of town and they don't like any attitude. So I'm not sure there's a huge outrage about the articleI can't believe this thread is still alive. THanks JohnnyU :)
The '86 Bears didn't have any attitude?
I meant selfish attitudes, my bad. Sure, the 86 Bears were a collection of egomaniacs (Jim McMahon chief amongst them) but at the end of the day they were about winning.First of all, drafting Benson wasn't exactly the most popular move. I think they had wanted Cadillac or somebody else. I recall being at Wrigleyville bars during the 2005 draft day and people booing the pick.
Most Bear fans (including me :bag: ) wanted Mike Williams
Ah. Mystery solved. Thx for the correction. Mike Williams turned out very lazy and spoiled, didn't he?The city of Chicago and the Bears don't deserve to have Cedric Benson. I hope he skips when he's eligible (I know, that isn't for a few yrs). I'm not saying Benson is a saint, he's not, but no city deserves to have a player they've treated this way.

a *little* overdramatic, no?

 
NatronIsMean said:
Bull Dozier said:
Jagerbomber said:
JohnnyU said:
NatronIsMean said:
When the Chicago media smell blood, get ready for obnoxious swarming. Benson IS the reason that there is a hint of blood in the water, like it or not. I don't like the jump-to-conclusions and controversy-swarming aspect of the Chicago media, but it isn't something new.

There will be no apology and the vilification of Benson is nothing new in this town. The media in Chicago stereotype faster than a French waiter.
......which I'm sure will lead to Benson eventually leaving Chicago. I don't think the Chicago media has the best interest of the Bears in mind. If I was a Bears fan living in Chicago, I would be upset with this. Maybe quit buying their newspaper.
Well actually...I think it's not just the media that dislikes Benson. Are you from around Chicago? Listed to ESPN1000, a lot of people have been #####ing about Benson since he held out. Chicago is a blue-collar type of town and they don't like any attitude. So I'm not sure there's a huge outrage about the articleI can't believe this thread is still alive. THanks JohnnyU :)
The '86 Bears didn't have any attitude?
The only Pre-madonna on the 85 Bears was McMahon, and he got away with it by being SO BADLY NEEDED.
I believe we were Post-Madonna by 1985.
 
Bears fan all my life. Born and raised. And my father before me.

IMO Cedric needs to learn how to block. End of story. Forget all the other BS. He was part of a college offensive system that set him back a bit with regard to picking up the blitz in the pros (See Vince Young). He'll be fine, but he's just a sophmore in the system right now. Let him grow into the position over a few years. The Bears only sign 5 year deals with rookies for that very reason.

He is under contract and is slowly winning over the respect the team. If he continues to shut his mouth and do what he is told the team will rally behind him when the time comes. But his time will come either if TJ gets hurt or sometime next year, period. He isn't going to be handed the job. He is simply not ready as a pass blocker yet - and Rex needs a RB that can block first.

(By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the offense needs Rex more than it need Cedric)-

Peace out-

 
Bears fan all my life. Born and raised. And my father before me.IMO Cedric needs to learn how to block. End of story. Forget all the other BS. He was part of a college offensive system that set him back a bit with regard to picking up the blitz in the pros (See Vince Young). He'll be fine, but he's just a sophmore in the system right now. Let him grow into the position over a few years. The Bears only sign 5 year deals with rookies for that very reason. He is under contract and is slowly winning over the respect the team. If he continues to shut his mouth and do what he is told the team will rally behind him when the time comes. But his time will come either if TJ gets hurt or sometime next year, period. He isn't going to be handed the job. He is simply not ready as a pass blocker yet - and Rex needs a RB that can block first.(By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the offense needs Rex more than it need Cedric)-Peace out-
What's truly funny is all these remarks about blocking, when TJ isn't that damn good at it either.
 
Bears fan all my life. Born and raised. And my father before me.IMO Cedric needs to learn how to block. End of story. Forget all the other BS. He was part of a college offensive system that set him back a bit with regard to picking up the blitz in the pros (See Vince Young). He'll be fine, but he's just a sophmore in the system right now. Let him grow into the position over a few years. The Bears only sign 5 year deals with rookies for that very reason. He is under contract and is slowly winning over the respect the team. If he continues to shut his mouth and do what he is told the team will rally behind him when the time comes. But his time will come either if TJ gets hurt or sometime next year, period. He isn't going to be handed the job. He is simply not ready as a pass blocker yet - and Rex needs a RB that can block first.(By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the offense needs Rex more than it need Cedric)-Peace out-
What's truly funny is all these remarks about blocking, when TJ isn't that damn good at it either.
True. He's not great, but just better then Ced at this point. Don't know why people take that as a slam on Bensen. He is just going through a normal learning curve for someone who was in a wishbone offense in college - don't know why that is so hard to understand. He is in the 2nd year of a Pro style offense and he is making strides. He's not dumb. He's not being held down. He is exactly where they expected him to be at this point. He's just not all the way there yet, thats all. No slam. The bears, believe it or not, actually kinda like him. :rolleyes:
 
Bears fan all my life. Born and raised. And my father before me.IMO Cedric needs to learn how to block. End of story. Forget all the other BS. He was part of a college offensive system that set him back a bit with regard to picking up the blitz in the pros (See Vince Young). He'll be fine, but he's just a sophmore in the system right now. Let him grow into the position over a few years. The Bears only sign 5 year deals with rookies for that very reason. He is under contract and is slowly winning over the respect the team. If he continues to shut his mouth and do what he is told the team will rally behind him when the time comes. But his time will come either if TJ gets hurt or sometime next year, period. He isn't going to be handed the job. He is simply not ready as a pass blocker yet - and Rex needs a RB that can block first.(By the way, if you hadn't noticed, the offense needs Rex more than it need Cedric)-Peace out-
What's truly funny is all these remarks about blocking, when TJ isn't that damn good at it either.
Making it even more revealing just how bad he must be...
 
sholditch said:
Fair enough. I also could care less about his skill of handling the media compared to how he runs and I'm still waiting to see. FWIW I wasn't thrilled with the draft pick either, but he's a bear now and has my support until he really does something to lose it. I just feel like he was damned from the get go by the media and consequently every little thing that he says or does wrong is amplified to make him look bad.
I honestly didn't have much of a problem with the pick. I preferred Caddy, but was happy that a RB was taken, and I've been rooting for Benson ever since. The fact that he sounds like a child every time he speaks doesn't change that, but the fact is that he sounds like a child every time he speaks.
 
You guys just do not get it.The Bears win at Minnesota for the first time since 2001. Pull a victory from the jaws of defeat after recovering an improbable fumble.And Benson isn't celebrating?!?!?!Sorry, 'team' comes first. David Haugh was on Mac, Jurko and Harry's Show on ESPN AM1000 - the guy is as solid a reporter as they come.In training camp Benson said on a couple of occasions "I don't care if I have any friends on this team." In print. And then again in seperate radio interviews. What the hell kind of attitude is that? Is that any way to try to 'fit in' or 'win the support of your teammates'? No wonder why he feels 'alone' now. He is!Lovie Smith has stated repeatedly "we'll field the players that give us the best opportunity to win" - so obviously he feels that Thomas Jones is that guy.Hell, the RB coach wasn't even talking to Benson after the game. The WR Coach (Drake) was trying to lift his spirits. Drake also happens to have been at Texas when Benson was there.When the Bears drafted Benson, Offensive Coordinator Ron Turner thought he was the best fit for the system. A bruising between the tackles RB (which he obviously didn't think Caddy Williams was - and wasn't sure if Benson was). Additionally, Lovie Smith is in love with players from the state of Oklahoma and Texas. I supported the pick at the time - but that doesn't mean that the guy isn't a headcase. He is doing NOTHING to dispel that label.
This post is all you need to know about the Jones/Bensen situation.One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box. Great for the Bears passing game. Since they are passing more, they need a RB who can block. Bensen gives littlle hope in this part of his game. He is a horrible practice player also.
 
From today's Sun Times:Cedric Benson's History with the Bears:BENSON AND THE BEARSCedric Benson fended off 2005 draft-day comparisons to quirky former Texas star Ricky Williams, explaining that while he produces like Williams on the field, he is not the character problem that Williams became in the NFL. But red flags have popped up in his 17 months as a Bear -- a time marked by bad decisions, bad luck and naivete.• July 24-Aug. 29, 2005: Holds out of training camp for 36 days while Bears and his agent, Eugene Parker, hammer out a five-year contract that guarantees him around $16 million and might be worth as much as $48 million. • Aug. 30, 2005: On his first day of training camp, declares he'll be ready to start ''probably by Week 2,'' even though veteran Thomas Jones is firmly entrenched as the starter.• ''I'll give him a run for his money,'' he said. • Nov. 13, 2005: In his first NFL start, Benson suffers a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee late in the first half against the 49ers and misses six weeks. He gained 50 yards on 12 carries. • April 2006: Promoted to first-team running back when the disgruntled Jones boycotted the team's voluntary offseason program. • Aug. 4, 2006: Benson suffers a ''freak'' left-shoulder injury when hit by teammates Brian Urlacher and Mike Brown after catching a pass from Rex Grossman. All involved dismiss the notion it was anything personal. Benson misses three weeks of practice. • Aug. 18, 2006: Teammates snitch on Benson when he leaves the sideline early and misses a postgame meeting after the Bears' preseason victory against the Chargers. Benson, who was inactive for the game because of his injury, reportedly was fined and given a talking-to by coach Lovie Smith for the transgression. • Aug. 22, 2006: Benson says he has apologized to his teammates, but in media interviews doesn't hide the fact he is unhappy that two of them turned him in. • Sept. 24, 2006: After getting 11 carries in the season opener against the Packers and 10 carries against the Lions, Benson doesn't play in the Bears' 19-16 victory against the Vikings. ''I know my time is going to come,'' a dejected Benson said afterward.
This stuff is a joke. Out of one side of their mout they are calling Benson out for holding out, yet you barely hear a peep about Jones missing off season workouts. Jones says that the "offense is his" and he get glowing accolades, Benson says he's going to start by week 2 and he's ridiculed. I'm rooting for the kid to get out of there. He doesn't deserve to be treated like this.
 
From today's Sun Times:Cedric Benson's History with the Bears:BENSON AND THE BEARSCedric Benson fended off 2005 draft-day comparisons to quirky former Texas star Ricky Williams, explaining that while he produces like Williams on the field, he is not the character problem that Williams became in the NFL. But red flags have popped up in his 17 months as a Bear -- a time marked by bad decisions, bad luck and naivete.• July 24-Aug. 29, 2005: Holds out of training camp for 36 days while Bears and his agent, Eugene Parker, hammer out a five-year contract that guarantees him around $16 million and might be worth as much as $48 million. • Aug. 30, 2005: On his first day of training camp, declares he'll be ready to start ''probably by Week 2,'' even though veteran Thomas Jones is firmly entrenched as the starter.• ''I'll give him a run for his money,'' he said. • Nov. 13, 2005: In his first NFL start, Benson suffers a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee late in the first half against the 49ers and misses six weeks. He gained 50 yards on 12 carries. • April 2006: Promoted to first-team running back when the disgruntled Jones boycotted the team's voluntary offseason program. • Aug. 4, 2006: Benson suffers a ''freak'' left-shoulder injury when hit by teammates Brian Urlacher and Mike Brown after catching a pass from Rex Grossman. All involved dismiss the notion it was anything personal. Benson misses three weeks of practice. • Aug. 18, 2006: Teammates snitch on Benson when he leaves the sideline early and misses a postgame meeting after the Bears' preseason victory against the Chargers. Benson, who was inactive for the game because of his injury, reportedly was fined and given a talking-to by coach Lovie Smith for the transgression. • Aug. 22, 2006: Benson says he has apologized to his teammates, but in media interviews doesn't hide the fact he is unhappy that two of them turned him in. • Sept. 24, 2006: After getting 11 carries in the season opener against the Packers and 10 carries against the Lions, Benson doesn't play in the Bears' 19-16 victory against the Vikings. ''I know my time is going to come,'' a dejected Benson said afterward.
This stuff is a joke. Out of one side of their mout they are calling Benson out for holding out, yet you barely hear a peep about Jones missing off season workouts. Jones says that the "offense is his" and he get glowing accolades, Benson says he's going to start by week 2 and he's ridiculed. I'm rooting for the kid to get out of there. He doesn't deserve to be treated like this.
Veterans get the benefit of the doubt more often than holdout rookies with an attitude. The Bears really need Bensen though. He is much more powerful than T Jones. He has never fit in with his teammates however.
 
Benson, Bears insist back wasn't pouting

LAKE FOREST, Ill. – Lovie Smith rarely if ever comments directly on something that was written or said in the media, but he did just that Wednesday in defending Cedric Benson.

Two Chicago newspaper columnists accused the Bears running back of sulking and pouting after Sunday’s comeback win in Minnesota because he did not play in the game. The claims were made based on his body language leaving the field and in the locker room.

One of the reporters wrote that Benson “moped around so obviously that you wondered whether he could become a nuisance in a locker room led by veterans who will not tolerate distractions.”

“There is some inaccurate information coming out about Cedric Benson and whether we’re disappointed in him and the reasons why he didn’t play this past week,” Smith said. “I would just like our fans to know that Cedric Benson practiced very well last week. He’s doing everything that we’ve asked him to do right now.

“He’s a big part of what we’re going to do around here. I couldn’t be more pleased with how he’s handling playing behind a good player in Thomas Jones. Hopefully this week we’ll get him some more playing time. He had another excellent practice today and we’ll go from there.”

Benson rushed for 34 yards on 11 carries in the season opener at Green Bay and 25 yards on 11 attempts the following week against Detroit. While he did not play in Minnesota, he insists that he wasn’t unhappy. In fact, he was one of the first players to greet Rex Grossman on the sideline after the quarterback threw the game-winning touchdown pass to Rashied Davis.

“I know I wasn’t pouting,” Benson said. “Come on, that’s not me. You really think I was sitting on the sideline whining about not playing after a win like that? I was very excited about the win.

“I still have the same mind frame I had many weeks before. I just know my time will come around. There was a game last year where it was kind of similar. It was a tight game and I didn’t get out there. It didn’t surprise me or anything like that. I’m not the starting running back. I wasn’t ticked off. I was glad we won. I was really proud for Rex and his performance.”

While one of the reporters that wrote about Benson’s demeanor didn’t even attend Sunday’s game, the Bears running back revealed that others have misread him in the past.

“I’ve gotten that a few times,” Benson said. “Some people have a predetermined thought about how you might be or who you might be, but you never really get to know anybody until you spend some time with them. If we’re just going off looks and appearances, I mean everybody’s having a bad day every day.

“Of course, nobody should be judged. It’s not fair for us to sit here and judge one another. But going off the circumstances of the situation, (in) the sport, (with) the media, it’s just part of it. It’s something I have to walk away from.”

Benson, the fourth overall pick in the 2005 draft, is happy to be playing for one of six 3-0 teams in the NFL and is confident that he will become a more significant part of the offense.

“Naturally you wanted to be a part of (Sunday’s win),” he said. “It (stinks) I didn’t get to play. But hey, we won. I’m able to get up every morning and come in this building every day and work hard every day knowing that the sail is going to turn. I know it will. I’m just going to be patient on that and let it work itself out and make great things happen when it does turn.”

While the veteran Jones will remain the starter, Bears coaches are pleased with Benson’s attitude and ability and see him contributing sooner rather than later.

“It’s just an issue of more experience,” said offensive coordinator Ron Turner. “Cedric’s going to play. Cedric practiced really well last week and had a good day of practice (Wednesday). We’re going to get Cedric in there. We need him to get in and play, and he’s going to play and he’ll make some plays for us. He’s ready to go.”
This says a lot about the Chicago media, you write a story about how a player reacts to the game and you weren't even there. Classic. Benson time will come sometime this season.
I disagree. I think sports sections would be much richer if multiple columns were written daily about the post-game demeanors of every single back-up RB on every roster leaguewide. And debated ad infinitum on site like this as to whether they meant anything...
 
From today's Sun Times:Cedric Benson's History with the Bears:BENSON AND THE BEARSCedric Benson fended off 2005 draft-day comparisons to quirky former Texas star Ricky Williams, explaining that while he produces like Williams on the field, he is not the character problem that Williams became in the NFL. But red flags have popped up in his 17 months as a Bear -- a time marked by bad decisions, bad luck and naivete.• July 24-Aug. 29, 2005: Holds out of training camp for 36 days while Bears and his agent, Eugene Parker, hammer out a five-year contract that guarantees him around $16 million and might be worth as much as $48 million. • Aug. 30, 2005: On his first day of training camp, declares he'll be ready to start ''probably by Week 2,'' even though veteran Thomas Jones is firmly entrenched as the starter.• ''I'll give him a run for his money,'' he said. • Nov. 13, 2005: In his first NFL start, Benson suffers a sprained medial collateral ligament in his right knee late in the first half against the 49ers and misses six weeks. He gained 50 yards on 12 carries. • April 2006: Promoted to first-team running back when the disgruntled Jones boycotted the team's voluntary offseason program. • Aug. 4, 2006: Benson suffers a ''freak'' left-shoulder injury when hit by teammates Brian Urlacher and Mike Brown after catching a pass from Rex Grossman. All involved dismiss the notion it was anything personal. Benson misses three weeks of practice. • Aug. 18, 2006: Teammates snitch on Benson when he leaves the sideline early and misses a postgame meeting after the Bears' preseason victory against the Chargers. Benson, who was inactive for the game because of his injury, reportedly was fined and given a talking-to by coach Lovie Smith for the transgression. • Aug. 22, 2006: Benson says he has apologized to his teammates, but in media interviews doesn't hide the fact he is unhappy that two of them turned him in. • Sept. 24, 2006: After getting 11 carries in the season opener against the Packers and 10 carries against the Lions, Benson doesn't play in the Bears' 19-16 victory against the Vikings. ''I know my time is going to come,'' a dejected Benson said afterward.
This stuff is a joke. Out of one side of their mout they are calling Benson out for holding out, yet you barely hear a peep about Jones missing off season workouts. Jones says that the "offense is his" and he get glowing accolades, Benson says he's going to start by week 2 and he's ridiculed. I'm rooting for the kid to get out of there. He doesn't deserve to be treated like this.
Veterans get the benefit of the doubt more often than holdout rookies with an attitude. The Bears really need Bensen though. He is much more powerful than T Jones. He has never fit in with his teammates however.
I own Benson in just as many leagues as TJ, so I'm not biased against either. I fail to see how people can ignore the red flags in Benson's character. He's definitely talented but I've never got the impression since he was in college that he had the mindset for an NFL RB. That's just a gut feeling but he's done nothing since he left college to change it.
 
One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box.
Can someone please tell me if defenses were playing 7-8 in the box last year when Kyle Orton was QB, cause TJones did just fine then...
They were playing 8-9 in the box - seriously. Kept the offense very plain for Orton. The defense won most every game. Muhammad had a broken bone in his hand, no #2 receiver stepped up, and D Clark was nowhere to be found. Jones took a real beating. He also earned tons of respect from teammates. Fast-forward to this year. Teams are still playing 7 in the box. Now the Bears are more able to take advantage. Best the passing game has looked since Jim Miller was QB.Bottom line last year - if Benson didn't hold out, the job was basically given to him. Since he was the last holdout from his draft class, he lost his job. Gridiron Assasin and other Bear followers will back me on this.
 
He is a horrible practice player also.
“It’s just an issue of more experience,” said offensive coordinator Ron Turner. “Cedric’s going to play. Cedric practiced really well last week and had a good day of practice (Wednesday). We’re going to get Cedric in there. We need him to get in and play, and he’s going to play and he’ll make some plays for us. He’s ready to go.”
Apparently you know him better than his coordinator.
 
He is a horrible practice player also.
“It’s just an issue of more experience,” said offensive coordinator Ron Turner. “Cedric’s going to play. Cedric practiced really well last week and had a good day of practice (Wednesday). We’re going to get Cedric in there. We need him to get in and play, and he’s going to play and he’ll make some plays for us. He’s ready to go.”
Apparently you know him better than his coordinator.
In general he has been a poor practice player. Maybe he "gets it" now.I laugh at the people who say Benson has all this great talent. TJ was drafted at 1.7 (?) so he must have a little talent too?

 
You guys just do not get it.The Bears win at Minnesota for the first time since 2001. Pull a victory from the jaws of defeat after recovering an improbable fumble.And Benson isn't celebrating?!?!?!Sorry, 'team' comes first. David Haugh was on Mac, Jurko and Harry's Show on ESPN AM1000 - the guy is as solid a reporter as they come.In training camp Benson said on a couple of occasions "I don't care if I have any friends on this team." In print. And then again in seperate radio interviews. What the hell kind of attitude is that? Is that any way to try to 'fit in' or 'win the support of your teammates'? No wonder why he feels 'alone' now. He is!Lovie Smith has stated repeatedly "we'll field the players that give us the best opportunity to win" - so obviously he feels that Thomas Jones is that guy.Hell, the RB coach wasn't even talking to Benson after the game. The WR Coach (Drake) was trying to lift his spirits. Drake also happens to have been at Texas when Benson was there.When the Bears drafted Benson, Offensive Coordinator Ron Turner thought he was the best fit for the system. A bruising between the tackles RB (which he obviously didn't think Caddy Williams was - and wasn't sure if Benson was). Additionally, Lovie Smith is in love with players from the state of Oklahoma and Texas. I supported the pick at the time - but that doesn't mean that the guy isn't a headcase. He is doing NOTHING to dispel that label.
This post is all you need to know about the Jones/Bensen situation.One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box. Great for the Bears passing game. Since they are passing more, they need a RB who can block. Bensen gives littlle hope in this part of his game. He is a horrible practice player also.
You can't even spell the dude's name right and Lovie already stated that Benson is practicing good. Time will tell if Benson is the real deal or not, but Thomas Jones is not the same rb that he was last yr.
 
To Bears, media the bad guys, not miscreants

September 29, 2006

On the day it was revealed cornerback Ricky Manning Jr. had asked a man, "Are you a fa_ _ot?" before jabbing him in the head, do you know what the Bears were doing?

Publicly admonishing him for his insensitivity? Asking him why he was with a group of people who, according to a Los Angeles County probation report, called the man "gay," "geeky," "a [expletive] Jew" and a "fa_ _ot?" Voicing displeasure at having someone on their roster who apparently has trouble handling his anger?

No.

They were taking a few media members to task for their criticism of running back Cedric Benson. They were analyzing film of the Bears' on-field celebration after the Minnesota game to prove Benson had not been sulking, as several newspaper columns had implied. They were summoning at least one reporter to watch the Happy Cedric film to prove their point.

Oh, and they were wishing the NFL would hurry up already and dole out any punishment to Manning so they would know how to proceed with their roster decisions.

Talk about your twisted priorities.

This is an organization that, at least publicly, makes a big deal about signing players of high character. But Wednesday, coach Lovie Smith seemed more concerned that Benson, whose short career has been marked by a holdout and extended periods of self-centeredness, might be perceived as a serial pouter.

Then again, what do you expect? This is the guy whose angriest public moment as Bears coach came two years ago when the Sporting News, quoting unnamed scouts and TV analysts, called Brian Urlacher the most overrated player in the league.

When he signed Manning to a five-year, $21 million contract in April, general manager Jerry Angelo said he had done his due diligence. But according to the probation report, Manning's arrest record shows a "continuing propensity for violence." At the time of his arrest, he already was on probation for an assault charge. It was the Bears' "bad luck" to have signed Manning to an offer sheet just before he was charged in the incident at a Los Angeles-area Denny's.

The Carolina Panthers chose not to match the Bears' offer. Surprise, surprise.

As of Thursday afternoon, Smith said he did not know about the probation report or Manning's alleged slur.

"I haven't heard that," Smith said. "I'd be disappointed if that was the case, but I don't know that to be a fact. We have high-character guys, and Ricky is one."

If you're keeping score at home, Manning is the third Bear to get in trouble this year. Tight end John Gilmore was charged with trespassing, resisting arrest, possession of drug paraphernalia and possession of less than 2.5 grams of marijuana after a July incident at a bar. Defensive tackle Tank Johnson was arrested in February, but charges of battery and resisting arrest were dropped when the police officer with whom he had tussled outside a bar decided against proceeding with the prosecution. At the time, Johnson was on probation for an unlawful gun possession charge.

So, yeah, they're all about character at Halas Hall.

Mostly they're worried about Benson, who they say is being portrayed unfairly in the media. He's a team guy, they say. Sure he is, and Urlacher and Mike Brown were big Benson fans when they put a licking on him in training camp.

By their relative silence on Manning, the Bears are offering up one big, public shrug. In the Denny's incident, Manning and a group of friends reportedly were making fun of Soroush Sabzi, who was working on his laptop at a nearby table. After poking the man, Manning claims he walked away before a fight broke out between his friends and Sabzi, who was left unconscious and suffered a knee injury.

Manning's sentence includes three years' probation, one year of anger-management counseling and 100 hours of community service.

But the real bad guy? That would be the media, for having the gall to question Benson's attitude. Not the cornerback with the Popeye arms. Not the guy who apparently makes Ozzie Guillen look like Miss Manners. Reporters are the Bears' biggest problem as they prepare for a big game against Seattle.

It doesn't have to be that way. If media members could learn to run and tackle, Smith surely would see them in a different light.
LINKManning sounds like a swell guy.... :no:

 
Why is every bash on Benson emphasis his holdout his rookie year. It is not a holdout if the player is not under contract. It is only a holdout if a player is under contract and refuses to play.

 
Why is every bash on Benson emphasis his holdout his rookie year. It is not a holdout if the player is not under contract. It is only a holdout if a player is under contract and refuses to play.
What do you call it then?
 
One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box.
Can someone please tell me if defenses were playing 7-8 in the box last year when Kyle Orton was QB, cause TJones did just fine then...
They were playing 8-9 in the box - seriously. Kept the offense very plain for Orton. The defense won most every game. Muhammad had a broken bone in his hand, no #2 receiver stepped up, and D Clark was nowhere to be found. Jones took a real beating. He also earned tons of respect from teammates. Fast-forward to this year. Teams are still playing 7 in the box. Now the Bears are more able to take advantage. Best the passing game has looked since Jim Miller was QB.

Bottom line last year - if Benson didn't hold out, the job was basically given to him. Since he was the last holdout from his draft class, he lost his job. Gridiron Assasin and other Bear followers will back me on this.
I hope you realize this is normal. 3 or 4 DL adn 3 or 4 LB = 7. I don't see many LB's dropping back with their FS.
 
From Sportsline:

Cedric Benson, RB CHINews: Bears RB Cedric Benson is expected to get 8-12 carries in Week 4 vs. Seattle after getting blanked last week when the Bears never really established a ground game.
 
gman8343 said:
From Sportsline:

Cedric Benson, RB CHINews: Bears RB Cedric Benson is expected to get 8-12 carries in Week 4 vs. Seattle after getting blanked last week when the Bears never really established a ground game.
not 7 or 13 :lmao:
 
You guys just do not get it.

The Bears win at Minnesota for the first time since 2001. Pull a victory from the jaws of defeat after recovering an improbable fumble.

And Benson isn't celebrating?!?!?!

Sorry, 'team' comes first. David Haugh was on Mac, Jurko and Harry's Show on ESPN AM1000 - the guy is as solid a reporter as they come.

In training camp Benson said on a couple of occasions "I don't care if I have any friends on this team." In print. And then again in seperate radio interviews. What the hell kind of attitude is that? Is that any way to try to 'fit in' or 'win the support of your teammates'? No wonder why he feels 'alone' now. He is!

Lovie Smith has stated repeatedly "we'll field the players that give us the best opportunity to win" - so obviously he feels that Thomas Jones is that guy.

Hell, the RB coach wasn't even talking to Benson after the game. The WR Coach (Drake) was trying to lift his spirits. Drake also happens to have been at Texas when Benson was there.

When the Bears drafted Benson, Offensive Coordinator Ron Turner thought he was the best fit for the system. A bruising between the tackles RB (which he obviously didn't think Caddy Williams was - and wasn't sure if Benson was). Additionally, Lovie Smith is in love with players from the state of Oklahoma and Texas. I supported the pick at the time - but that doesn't mean that the guy isn't a headcase. He is doing NOTHING to dispel that label.
This post is all you need to know about the Jones/Bensen situation.One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box. Great for the Bears passing game. Since they are passing more, they need a RB who can block. Bensen gives littlle hope in this part of his game. He is a horrible practice player also.
You can't even spell the dude's name right and Lovie already stated that Benson is practicing good. Time will tell if Benson is the real deal or not, but Thomas Jones is not the same rb that he was last yr.
Sorry I misspelled his name wrong. Lovie and his staff are coming under a lot of pressure about the Benson pick and are in full spin-control. I will agree that TJ hasn't been the same player as last year.
 
Getinthemix said:
One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box.
Can someone please tell me if defenses were playing 7-8 in the box last year when Kyle Orton was QB, cause TJones did just fine then...
They were playing 8-9 in the box - seriously. Kept the offense very plain for Orton. The defense won most every game. Muhammad had a broken bone in his hand, no #2 receiver stepped up, and D Clark was nowhere to be found. Jones took a real beating. He also earned tons of respect from teammates. Fast-forward to this year. Teams are still playing 7 in the box. Now the Bears are more able to take advantage. Best the passing game has looked since Jim Miller was QB.

Bottom line last year - if Benson didn't hold out, the job was basically given to him. Since he was the last holdout from his draft class, he lost his job. Gridiron Assasin and other Bear followers will back me on this.
I hope you realize this is normal. 3 or 4 DL adn 3 or 4 LB = 7. I don't see many LB's dropping back with their FS.
Nickel/Dime coverage down? For some teams, it is normal to play a nickle d half the time if not more.
 
i couldn't read all the posts in this thread, but, i really would like to see benson get 30 carries one game. just to see what he's got. if they have to max protect in passing downs, so be it. just run him ragged one game and see what he can do. i don't own either in any leagues but i am a devout bears fan.

 
Getinthemix said:
One major reason TJ hasn't lit it up so far, is the defenses are playing 7-8 in the box.
Can someone please tell me if defenses were playing 7-8 in the box last year when Kyle Orton was QB, cause TJones did just fine then...
They were playing 8-9 in the box - seriously. Kept the offense very plain for Orton. The defense won most every game. Muhammad had a broken bone in his hand, no #2 receiver stepped up, and D Clark was nowhere to be found. Jones took a real beating. He also earned tons of respect from teammates. Fast-forward to this year. Teams are still playing 7 in the box. Now the Bears are more able to take advantage. Best the passing game has looked since Jim Miller was QB.

Bottom line last year - if Benson didn't hold out, the job was basically given to him. Since he was the last holdout from his draft class, he lost his job. Gridiron Assasin and other Bear followers will back me on this.
I hope you realize this is normal. 3 or 4 DL adn 3 or 4 LB = 7. I don't see many LB's dropping back with their FS.
Nickel/Dime coverage down? For some teams, it is normal to play a nickle d half the time if not more.
Not against the Bears. Perhaps agaisnt the Colts or a predominantly passing team, of which the Bears are not even close to.
 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN said:
Rumor has it that Benson was pouting on the toilet trying to pinch one off late Saturday night.
:lmao: Did Lovie and the coaching staff help him wipe? He probably can't do that right either.
 
i couldn't read all the posts in this thread, but, i really would like to see benson get 30 carries one game. just to see what he's got. if they have to max protect in passing downs, so be it. just run him ragged one game and see what he can do. i don't own either in any leagues but i am a devout bears fan.
That day is coming soon my friend.
 
The city of Chicago and the Bears don't deserve to have Cedric Benson. I hope he skips when he's eligible (I know, that isn't for a few yrs). I'm not saying Benson is a saint, he's not, but no city deserves to have a player they've treated this way. In the whole scheme of things, Benson hasn't done that much wrong.
JohnnyU, try to hide that ridiculous Benson chubby for a minute. Geez, the dramatic "Chicago doesn't deserve Benson" stuff is on the fruity side, bud. Give that stuff a rest.
 
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Funny thing is people who write about Benson's college career being THAT impressive IMO weren't watching the same player I was.

In college he was almost always stuffed in the 1st half of games. Not until Vince Young would loosen the defenses by running around the ends would he start "breaking" all those tackles up the middle (always in the 2nd half after VY had worn the D's out). Vince was the star of that team. And if Vince didn't get free, neither did he.

Personally, I was never that impressed by Benson's skill set (unlike many others), although I believe he can be developed into an NFL caliber talent. The offense he ran in college really didn't do him any favors in developing those skills either. Definitely stunted his growth from a blitz recognition/blocking standpoint.

Having said all that, from what I hear, he has been practicing very well over the past few weeks and the fact he didn't roll over on his teammates in the media has gone over well in the locker room. BTW The talk that none of his teammates like him is a bunch of bull. There are some people he doesn't get along with, but there are more he does. Just like every NFL player. Again, not rolling over in the media went a long way towards earning some respect from his teammates, even the ones that don't get along with him.

Bensons time will come, but TJ will remain the starter this season (barring injury). If anything you will see more of Benson when the weather gets cold. Fresh legs in December and everything. He may get some carrries this weekend also more to keep his head in the game than anything else. The coaches don't want to lose him and he has been getting frustrated lately (he is practicing hard and desperately wants to show it in a game).

And by the way, until teams start making adjustments to Rex being an offensive force (did I just say that? :shock: ), the YPC for the Bears is going to remain low. But if Rex puts up numbers like he has been for the past month AND the Bears continue to win, you will see defenses adjusting to stop the pass more and more. THAT is when I think you will see more of Ced.

Until then the Bears are out to prove they CAN take what you give them if you are only going to give them the pass. And that includes the deep pass. And the Tight End. And the #3 WR.

Peace .

 
i couldn't read all the posts in this thread, but, i really would like to see benson get 30 carries one game. just to see what he's got. if they have to max protect in passing downs, so be it. just run him ragged one game and see what he can do. i don't own either in any leagues but i am a devout bears fan.
That means the Bears would have to try to win a game with only 62 yards rushing.
 
Funny thing is people who write about Benson's college career being THAT impressive IMO weren't watching the same player I was. In college he was almost always stuffed in the 1st half of games. Not until Vince Young would loosen the defenses by running around the ends would he start "breaking" all those tackles up the middle (always in the 2nd half after VY had worn the D's out). Vince was the star of that team. And if Vince didn't get free, neither did he. Personally, I was never that impressed by Benson's skill set (unlike many others), although I believe he can be developed into an NFL caliber talent. The offense he ran in college really didn't do him any favors in developing those skills either. Definitely stunted his growth from a blitz recognition/blocking standpoint.Having said all that, from what I hear, he has been practicing very well over the past few weeks and the fact he didn't roll over on his teammates in the media has gone over well in the locker room. BTW The talk that none of his teammates like him is a bunch of bull. There are some people he doesn't get along with, but there are more he does. Just like every NFL player. Again, not rolling over in the media went a long way towards earning some respect from his teammates, even the ones that don't get along with him.Bensons time will come, but TJ will remain the starter this season (barring injury). If anything you will see more of Benson when the weather gets cold. Fresh legs in December and everything. He may get some carrries this weekend also more to keep his head in the game than anything else. The coaches don't want to lose him and he has been getting frustrated lately (he is practicing hard and desperately wants to show it in a game).And by the way, until teams start making adjustments to Rex being an offensive force (did I just say that? :shock: ), the YPC for the Bears is going to remain low. But if Rex puts up numbers like he has been for the past month AND the Bears continue to win, you will see defenses adjusting to stop the pass more and more. THAT is when I think you will see more of Ced.Until then the Bears are out to prove they CAN take what you give them if you are only going to give them the pass. And that includes the deep pass. And the Tight End. And the #3 WR.Peace .
IN college Benson was a Stud long before Young was a stud.
 
shuke said:
Why is every bash on Benson emphasis his holdout his rookie year. It is not a holdout if the player is not under contract. It is only a holdout if a player is under contract and refuses to play.
What do you call it then?
I call it salary negotiations on both parties. Why not bash the Bears for not agreeing earlier on a contract?
 
Funny thing is people who write about Benson's college career being THAT impressive IMO weren't watching the same player I was. In college he was almost always stuffed in the 1st half of games. Not until Vince Young would loosen the defenses by running around the ends would he start "breaking" all those tackles up the middle (always in the 2nd half after VY had worn the D's out). Vince was the star of that team. And if Vince didn't get free, neither did he. Personally, I was never that impressed by Benson's skill set (unlike many others), although I believe he can be developed into an NFL caliber talent. The offense he ran in college really didn't do him any favors in developing those skills either. Definitely stunted his growth from a blitz recognition/blocking standpoint.Having said all that, from what I hear, he has been practicing very well over the past few weeks and the fact he didn't roll over on his teammates in the media has gone over well in the locker room. BTW The talk that none of his teammates like him is a bunch of bull. There are some people he doesn't get along with, but there are more he does. Just like every NFL player. Again, not rolling over in the media went a long way towards earning some respect from his teammates, even the ones that don't get along with him.Bensons time will come, but TJ will remain the starter this season (barring injury). If anything you will see more of Benson when the weather gets cold. Fresh legs in December and everything. He may get some carrries this weekend also more to keep his head in the game than anything else. The coaches don't want to lose him and he has been getting frustrated lately (he is practicing hard and desperately wants to show it in a game).And by the way, until teams start making adjustments to Rex being an offensive force (did I just say that? :shock: ), the YPC for the Bears is going to remain low. But if Rex puts up numbers like he has been for the past month AND the Bears continue to win, you will see defenses adjusting to stop the pass more and more. THAT is when I think you will see more of Ced.Until then the Bears are out to prove they CAN take what you give them if you are only going to give them the pass. And that includes the deep pass. And the Tight End. And the #3 WR.Peace .
IN college Benson was a Stud long before Young was a stud.
IMO I never saw that against better competition. Just my opinion. Pretty sure stats would bear me out if someone looked at them. I had the research at the time, but I just don't have the stats anymore.
 
I guess this is just morbid curiosty: well over 200 posts (and thousands of looks) on a backup loser RB in less than a week? Are there THAT many hard (I do mean hard) core CHI fans here?

 
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I guess this is just morbid curiosty: well over 200 posts (and thousands of looks) on a backup loser RB in less than a week? Are there THAT many hard (I do mean hard) core CHI fans here?
TJ is an ok guy. I assume you mean him as the soon to be backup loser RB. ;)
 
I guess this is just morbid curiosty: well over 200 posts (and thousands of looks) on a backup loser RB in less than a week? Are there THAT many hard (I do mean hard) core CHI fans here?
TJ is an ok guy. I assume you mean him as the soon to be backup loser RB. ;)
Hey! Easy Killer TJ gets the love here! ;) Seriously, savvy FFers are looking for the defenses to adjust later in the season to the Bears improved passing game at which point the Bears running game should improve. I guess there is still debate over who will get the touches then.

There are some angry Longhorns in here too.....damn rednecks...

 

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