I wouldn't draft Larry Fitzgerald in the 1st...2nd...3rd...4th (3 Viewers)

[Shutout]

Looking like the OP had a point - to a point.If you used a 2nd or 3rd on Fitz, you are hurting. Then again, as noted, Fitz is getting a ton of targets. The QB situation is not helping and the injury is still affecting Fitz's play.That said, he has been far from useless and for those teams that are able to wade through these early weeks, we know his upside if things get a little better. Drafting today, for the rest of the season, you really think Fitz would not present value in the 4th round or beyond? And if things do turn for the better, that could be raised quickly.

The other side of that coin though is "you can say the same for A LOT of high draft picks through the first three weeks." There are a lot of big name guys that are killing their FF teams to certain degrees. Look at all these other consensus top 30 picks:RiceMJDSJAXRandy MossCalvin JohnsonBrandon MarshallDWILGreg JenningsRyan MatthewsShonn GreeneMarques ColstonJamal CharlesRyan GrantAll of these guys are killing teams left and right. SO, literarlly half of the field is way under performing right now and you could probably marginally extend that list to include Turner, Brees, AJ, and a few.In all reality, Only about 7 or 8 guys have really come out and done exactly what they were supposed to do all three weeks.So, yeah, it looks bad for Fitz now because he's not where he usually is but, then again, he has A LOT of company! At least in his case he is getting the targets. Based on where they were drafted, I would much rather have him than MJD or Shonn Greene or Calvin Johnson right now. At least you can see the opportunity for Fitz.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I would buy low on Fitz right now.

 

[aimlessgun]

Looking like the OP had a point - to a point.If you used a 2nd or 3rd on Fitz, you are hurting. Then again, as noted, Fitz is getting a ton of targets. The QB situation is not helping and the injury is still affecting Fitz's play.That said, he has been far from useless and for those teams that are able to wade through these early weeks, we know his upside if things get a little better. Drafting today, for the rest of the season, you really think Fitz would not present value in the 4th round or beyond? And if things do turn for the better, that could be raised quickly.

Crazily enough he hasn't been unstartable: 8-10 points will not kill you. You could easily have taken someone FAR worse with your 2nd rd pick or 15% of your cap. I have Fitz in 8 leagues, which are mostly 2-1 or 3-0.

 

[NeverEnough]

Fitz is a buy low IMO. Looks like I am getting a deal done today to get him.

For those that want to gauge his value (redraft non-ppr): I send Romo, Knox & Addai for Flacco, Fitz & Forte.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Through week 3 Fitz has received the third most targets of anyone in the nfl.However unlike the other top 15 target receivers who are catching about 60% of those passes, he is only catching 35% of them.

I see two realistic scenarios:Fitz will stop getting targetsFitz will start catching more passesI'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

 

[Touchdown There]

I'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

A lot of people are saying "buy low" but I am not sure anyone is selling low. If someone drafted Fitz in the first or second, they are going to want substantial compensation for him, even with some bad weeks.

 

[John Windle]

As a value indicator, I got him for Barber and Vernon Davis last week in a redraft non-ppr where WR/TE is a flex.

I'm happy to have him as he will improve. End of year... top 10.

 

[skinsrule05]

Through week 3 Fitz has received the third most targets of anyone in the nfl.However unlike the other top 15 target receivers who are catching about 60% of those passes, he is only catching 35% of them.

I see two realistic scenarios:Fitz will stop getting targetsFitz will start catching more passesI'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

But what is the reason that he is catching less passes? Did he suddenly forget how to catch and it will come back to him? Or is it possible one of these other changes from last year could be a factor:- new QB who is definitely a step down from Warner. Yes he can throw to Fitz but does he have the accuracy to make it catchable- Boldin is gone so they can more easily double FitzIf you believe either of these are the cause of Fitz's problems then he is not going to get better because they aren't going away.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

A lot of people are saying "buy low" but I am not sure anyone is selling low. If someone drafted Fitz in the first or second, they are going to want substantial compensation for him, even with some bad weeks.

This is a very good point. I doubt you can get him that cheaply. But if you have an owner frustrated with his lack of a big game, grab him if you can.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Through week 3 Fitz has received the third most targets of anyone in the nfl.However unlike the other top 15 target receivers who are catching about 60% of those passes, he is only catching 35% of them.

I see two realistic scenarios:Fitz will stop getting targetsFitz will start catching more passesI'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

But what is the reason that he is catching less passes? Did he suddenly forget how to catch and it will come back to him? Or is it possible one of these other changes from last year could be a factor:- new QB who is definitely a step down from Warner. Yes he can throw to Fitz but does he have the accuracy to make it catchable- Boldin is gone so they can more easily double FitzIf you believe either of these are the cause of Fitz's problems then he is not going to get better because they aren't going away.

I believe he is still hurting and he's not on the same page as Anderson. I don't care how awful Anderson is - if he keeps throwing it to Fitz there's no way a wr of his caliber will continue to catch 1 out of every 3 passes. Heck, Braylon Edwards had a better catch percent. Wr's have good weeks and bad weeks. Fitz will have a near perfect catch % in one game and he'll be back on track.

 

[footballdiva]

I'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

A lot of people are saying "buy low" but I am not sure anyone is selling low. If someone drafted Fitz in the first or second, they are going to want substantial compensation for him, even with some bad weeks.

This is a very good point. I doubt you can get him that cheaply. But if you have an owner frustrated with his lack of a big game, grab him if you can.

I got him for Portis & Garcon last week. I drafted heavy RB so it didn't hurt me a bit and the other owner was in a bad RB situation.... he left Hillis on his bench last week & I didn't know about the Garcon injury, was out of town, so I feel a little sorry for him. Honestly, at the time I thought it was a very fair trade .

 

[kutta]

Looking like the OP had a point - to a point.If you used a 2nd or 3rd on Fitz, you are hurting. Then again, as noted, Fitz is getting a ton of targets. The QB situation is not helping and the injury is still affecting Fitz's play.That said, he has been far from useless and for those teams that are able to wade through these early weeks, we know his upside if things get a little better. Drafting today, for the rest of the season, you really think Fitz would not present value in the 4th round or beyond? And if things do turn for the better, that could be raised quickly.

The other side of that coin though is "you can say the same for A LOT of high draft picks through the first three weeks." There are a lot of big name guys that are killing their FF teams to certain degrees. Look at all these other consensus top 30 picks:RiceMJDSJAXRandy MossCalvin JohnsonBrandon MarshallDWILGreg JenningsRyan MatthewsShonn GreeneMarques ColstonJamal CharlesRyan GrantAll of these guys are killing teams left and right. SO, literarlly half of the field is way under performing right now and you could probably marginally extend that list to include Turner, Brees, AJ, and a few.In all reality, Only about 7 or 8 guys have really come out and done exactly what they were supposed to do all three weeks.So, yeah, it looks bad for Fitz now because he's not where he usually is but, then again, he has A LOT of company! At least in his case he is getting the targets. Based on where they were drafted, I would much rather have him than MJD or Shonn Greene or Calvin Johnson right now. At least you can see the opportunity for Fitz.

That's true. But some had warning signs that owners chose to ignore. The warning signs with Fitz were loud and clear and a lot of people chose to ignore them.I, on the other hand, chose to ignore the warning signs with MJD and DeAngelo. Lucky me.

 

[plyka]

I'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

A lot of people are saying "buy low" but I am not sure anyone is selling low. If someone drafted Fitz in the first or second, they are going to want substantial compensation for him, even with some bad weeks.

This is a very good point. I doubt you can get him that cheaply. But if you have an owner frustrated with his lack of a big game, grab him if you can.

I got him for Portis & Garcon last week. I drafted heavy RB so it didn't hurt me a bit and the other owner was in a bad RB situation.... he left Hillis on his bench last week & I didn't know about the Garcon injury, was out of town, so I feel a little sorry for him. Honestly, at the time I thought it was a very fair trade .

I would leave that league immediately! A league with players this dumb cannot be very competitive. Fitz for two scrubs? Makes ZERO sense. Not to mention Portis is about to be out of a job, and Garcon is droppable.

 

[footballdiva]

I'm not sure how he's anything but a buy low right now.

A lot of people are saying "buy low" but I am not sure anyone is selling low. If someone drafted Fitz in the first or second, they are going to want substantial compensation for him, even with some bad weeks.

This is a very good point. I doubt you can get him that cheaply. But if you have an owner frustrated with his lack of a big game, grab him if you can.

I got him for Portis & Garcon last week. I drafted heavy RB so it didn't hurt me a bit and the other owner was in a bad RB situation.... he left Hillis on his bench last week & I didn't know about the Garcon injury, was out of town, so I feel a little sorry for him. Honestly, at the time I thought it was a very fair trade .

I would leave that league immediately! A league with players this dumb cannot be very competitive. Fitz for two scrubs? Makes ZERO sense. Not to mention Portis is about to be out of a job, and Garcon is droppable.

He actually won last year. He was panicking due to his RB situation, that's when you have to strike. My league was drafting QB's, D's way too early. I did my usual RB, RB, WR, WR like I always do which is why I had trade bait for worried owners. Come on now, Fitz only got me 8 points last week and I do think Garcon will be back by the end of the year. Don't make me feel any more guilty than I do.

 

[Raider Nation]

Sucks to see talented WRs get totally neutered by poor QB play. Like Moss in Oakland in '06, and Fitz and Steve Smith (CAR) this year.

Max Hall should see the field soon, not that it will improve anything.

And Fox has to put his pride aside and go back to Matt Moore. Clausen is NOT ready.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Fitz has been around top25, this week has another 12 points but a far cry from late 1st round material for most owners. Owner in one of my leagues is 1-2-1 with Fitzgerald. His tie, and both 1 point losses are due to Fitz not meeting expectations IMO. You can disagree that's fine but I'm sure other owners have had similar situations. You can blame anyone you want but Fitz is not putting up WR1 numbers.

Does anyone think Max Hall is going to help the situation?

 

[Koya]

Fitz has been around top25, this week has another 12 points but a far cry from late 1st round material for most owners. Owner in one of my leagues is 1-2-1 with Fitzgerald. His tie, and both 1 point losses are due to Fitz not meeting expectations IMO. You can disagree that's fine but I'm sure other owners have had similar situations. You can blame anyone you want but Fitz is not putting up WR1 numbers. Does anyone think Max Hall is going to help the situation?

I havent seen much at all of Hall, but you'd expect he would not help at least at first. That said, for those of us who got LFitz in a later round (4 or 5, possibly even the 3rd) that might be a good thing as if we can hold our heads above water, maybe Hall matures enough to make LFitz 70% of what he was last year come playoff drive.Much like I noted in another thread (Cutler), LFitz will cause you pain depending upon the league set up. In one of my leagues, 4 of 12 make the playoffs. You can't wait on an LFitz there, especially if he was a high pick. In the league I have him, I took the chance (in the 4th I think) because a ridiculous 8 of 12 make the playoffs... in that set up, Im all for Hall learning and by week 10 being able to get the ball to LFitz (and it doenst much matter if he throws some to the other team).So again, in the right league set up, if you got him 3, esp. 4th ot somehow 5th round, you still have some upside IF you can survive until then. Obviously is he was a 2nd rounder, especially in a competitive league regular season, its tough.

 

[rjv]

Fitz has been around top25, this week has another 12 points but a far cry from late 1st round material for most owners. Owner in one of my leagues is 1-2-1 with Fitzgerald. His tie, and both 1 point losses are due to Fitz not meeting expectations IMO. You can disagree that's fine but I'm sure other owners have had similar situations. You can blame anyone you want but Fitz is not putting up WR1 numbers. Does anyone think Max Hall is going to help the situation?

I havent seen much at all of Hall, but you'd expect he would not help at least at first. That said, for those of us who got LFitz in a later round (4 or 5, possibly even the 3rd) that might be a good thing as if we can hold our heads above water, maybe Hall matures enough to make LFitz 70% of what he was last year come playoff drive.Much like I noted in another thread (Cutler), LFitz will cause you pain depending upon the league set up. In one of my leagues, 4 of 12 make the playoffs. You can't wait on an LFitz there, especially if he was a high pick. In the league I have him, I took the chance (in the 4th I think) because a ridiculous 8 of 12 make the playoffs... in that set up, Im all for Hall learning and by week 10 being able to get the ball to LFitz (and it doenst much matter if he throws some to the other team).So again, in the right league set up, if you got him 3, esp. 4th ot somehow 5th round, you still have some upside IF you can survive until then. Obviously is he was a 2nd rounder, especially in a competitive league regular season, its tough.

I grabbed him in the 3rd after Gore and White so I'm ok with having Fitz as my #2 behind White, which his performance is ATM. Treat him as a #2 right now and if you took him higher than your 3rd pick, your better off keeping him because your not going to get nowhere near the value for him

 

[joffer]

this sucks

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

this sucks

That about sums it up. He's still startable though.

 

[TWP]

Looking like the OP had a point - to a point.If you used a 2nd or 3rd on Fitz, you are hurting. Then again, as noted, Fitz is getting a ton of targets. The QB situation is not helping and the injury is still affecting Fitz's play.That said, he has been far from useless and for those teams that are able to wade through these early weeks, we know his upside if things get a little better. Drafting today, for the rest of the season, you really think Fitz would not present value in the 4th round or beyond? And if things do turn for the better, that could be raised quickly.

The other side of that coin though is "you can say the same for A LOT of high draft picks through the first three weeks." There are a lot of big name guys that are killing their FF teams to certain degrees. Look at all these other consensus top 30 picks:RiceMJDSJAXRandy MossCalvin JohnsonBrandon MarshallDWILGreg JenningsRyan MatthewsShonn GreeneMarques ColstonJamal CharlesRyan GrantAll of these guys are killing teams left and right. SO, literarlly half of the field is way under performing right now and you could probably marginally extend that list to include Turner, Brees, AJ, and a few.In all reality, Only about 7 or 8 guys have really come out and done exactly what they were supposed to do all three weeks.So, yeah, it looks bad for Fitz now because he's not where he usually is but, then again, he has A LOT of company! At least in his case he is getting the targets. Based on where they were drafted, I would much rather have him than MJD or Shonn Greene or Calvin Johnson right now. At least you can see the opportunity for Fitz.

That's true. But some had warning signs that owners chose to ignore. The warning signs with Fitz were loud and clear and a lot of people chose to ignore them.I, on the other hand, chose to ignore the warning signs with MJD and DeAngelo. Lucky me.

RANK	   NAME 		G 	  RSH 	RSHYD 	 YD/RSH 	RSHTD 	  REC 	RECYD 	 YD/REC 	RECTD 	FANT PT 	  FP/G	46	JCharles		 3		34	   238		   7		 1		 5		92		18.4		 0		  39		13	50		 MJD		 4		83	   322		3.88		 1		 8		49		6.13		 1		49.1	 12.28	55	Marshall		 3		 2		 3		 1.5		 0		22	   290	   13.18		 1		35.3	 11.77	58		SJax		 4		73	   284		3.89		 1		12	   116		9.67		 0		  46	  11.5	65	   RMoss		 3		 0		 0					 0		 9	   139	   15.44		 3		31.9	 10.63	68		  CJ		 4		 2		 4		   2		 0		20	   237	   11.85		 3		42.1	 10.53	89	DeAngelo		 4		56	   266		4.75		 1		 4		34		 8.5		 0		  36		 9	98	Jennings		 4		 0		 0					 0		12	   161	   13.42		 3		34.1	  8.53

These guys are "killing" your teams left and right? They might not be doing as well as you had hoped, but guys who are putting up 10 pts/gm are not killing your team. And Ryan Grant had a season ending injury -- that doesn't make him a bad pick. Fitz was a bad pick. He's putting up fewer points per game than any of these guys and he was getting picked ahead of many of them. And it was predictable that he would put up WR2, not WR1, numbers.

 

[Touchdown There]

And it was predictable that he would put up WR2, not WR1, numbers.

It was very predicable when Lienart was the starter. I thought Fitz would do better with Derek Anderson because he is not afraid to sling it down-field. I personally blame the bum knee and think he should ride the pine until he is 100%.As a general rule, I think playing injured happens too much in the NFL. Players think they have to play hurt because it is the old school approach. Just shut the yapper and play as good as you can. Look what happened to Revis when he tried to take on Moss with a tweaked hammy. Best is playing with turf toe. Ray Rice should not have suited up yesterday. Star athletes, when injured, are worse than their backups at 100% (most of which are drooling to earn additional playing time and contract bucks).

 

[bostonfred]

Week 1 @STL - still hurt, 3/43/1

Week 2 @ATL - still getting back to 100%, played decently, 7/83/0

Week 3 OAK - played Oakland, 2/26/1

Week 4 @SD - #2 and #3 WRs both hurt, changed QBs midgame. 7/56/0

Week 17 - @SF (Not part of most fantasy schedules)

- Arizona has played three road games, and a home game against a top pass defense with the best cover corner in the league

- Of the 11 games left on AZ's fantasy schedule, 7 are home games

- After a home game vs. New Orleans which should feature plenty of garbage time, they have a bye week to get Fitz used to whoever their QB is

- Their remaining schedule is pretty soft (defensive rank against the pass in parentheses)

NO (11)

BYE

@SEA (29)

TB (10)

@MIN (7)

SEA (29)

@KC (25)

SF (20)

STL (21)

DEN (17)

@CAR (16)

DAL (14)

If you can pick him up after the Saints game, or possibly after the bye, you may be able to get him cheap, and he has some very real upside going forward. I say buy.

 

[Steed]

I haven't done a VBD analysis but I'm pretty sure Fitz falls outside the 4th round. Only miday through the season, but nice work here MOP.

 

[Koya]

I have to admit, I was wrong on this one.

That said, in a similar situation next year, if a guy with Fitz's upside lasts until the 4th round, Im going to take that chance. Often its that chance in the 4-6th round plus some luck on a late round flyer that helps win a competitive league rather than going with someone at that point in the draft that you "know" will get you ok production but lacks upside.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I haven't done a VBD analysis but I'm pretty sure Fitz falls outside the 4th round. Only miday through the season, but nice work here MOP.

He has been a solid WR3 in PPR formats, some weeks a WR2 even. But AZ is back to where they were before Kurt Warner, perhaps worse. Was Leinart this bad?Fitz may be a nice buy low right now.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

I haven't done a VBD analysis but I'm pretty sure Fitz falls outside the 4th round. Only miday through the season, but nice work here MOP.

He has been a solid WR3 in PPR formats, some weeks a WR2 even. But AZ is back to where they were before Kurt Warner, perhaps worse. Was Leinart this bad?Fitz may be a nice buy low right now.

Hope you are right MOP, I should have followed your advice in August.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Fitz's schedule looks good. I think he steps up and becomes a top 15-18 WR from here out.

 

[Grahamburn]

Max Hall looked pretty awful against Seattle. Derek Anderson came in and looked like he had a much better grasp of the offense. I'm not sure it matters much for Fitz considering the options though, especially with the other WRs so banged up.

He's such a great WR. It's almost painful to watch him get open and have the QB throw the ball over the wrong shoulder, behind, over his head, etc.

Alot of factors have been working against the Cardinals so far this season, but the NFC West is allowing them to hang around. If Anderson can grab and hold onto the starting job and Arizona gets the running game going, Fitzgerald could become a factor very quickly.

I'm benching him until I see it though. He's no longer a set it and forget it stud.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Max Hall looked pretty awful against Seattle. Derek Anderson came in and looked like he had a much better grasp of the offense. I'm not sure it matters much for Fitz considering the options though, especially with the other WRs so banged up.He's such a great WR. It's almost painful to watch him get open and have the QB throw the ball over the wrong shoulder, behind, over his head, etc. Alot of factors have been working against the Cardinals so far this season, but the NFC West is allowing them to hang around. If Anderson can grab and hold onto the starting job and Arizona gets the running game going, Fitzgerald could become a factor very quickly.I'm benching him until I see it though. He's no longer a set it and forget it stud.

Yep, DA is Fitz's only hope. I think the two of them will get it worked out. At least for us PPR owners of Fitz.

 

[eoMMan]

This is LAUGHABLE!

The regular season can truly not come quick enough.

Talk about an over reaction of epic proportions.

Ok, here's the REALITY in all this.

1) That big drop off that is being mentioned in '06: He only played 12 games that year. I know, it says 13 officially but he got hurt the week before the Chiefs games and played very little in that game and had two catches. He wasn't really involved in the game at all. So basically, he played in 12 games. Pro-rate the production over 16 games and Fitz was Fitz, even with Leinart.

2) Speaking of Leinart. Look at the games Leinart and Fitz played together. You may be surprised to see that the actual production is miniscule at best. Fitz's productivity lessened with Leinart by about .6 catches a game/1 TD per year...nothing. And that was when Leinart had less experience and the Cardinals were A LOT worse.

3) You watch one pre-season play and automatically predict that Leinart is going to get his WR killed? Do you not see, that on EVERY SINGLE WEEK in the NFL, the number of NAME QBs that throw the ball to WRs that get hit hard? Its called "going across the middle in the NFL". DId Leinart get 3 other WRS knocked out too? No. If he really WAS doing that, do you think their coaches would let Leinart play? Are they dumb enough to see that happen and think "its ok if I let my all-world WR get killed because of Leinart"? C'mon.

4) Why on Earth would you say "because a QB is this, Fitz will be that"? I don't remember Kyle Orton being Tom Brady last year, yet Brandon Marshall did pretty good. I don't recall WRoddy WHite having a terrible year when Matt Ryan was a totally unknown rookie. How many no name QBs has Calvin Johnson had? And didn't he actually have his worst year with the supposed "best" QB talent?

You get the point? You talk of Fitz as if he's a one hit wonder that needed Warner but the facts are he has never had a bad year and has actually been a top 3 for the last four. He has succeeded regardless of Warner, Leinart, McCown, or any other scrub they had in there that I have forgotten. Warner was great and I loved him but Warner benefited from Fitz every bit as much as Fitz benefited from Warner. Remember, Warner RE-ESTABLISHED his level of play AFTER coming to Arizona: Fitz has been great since day 1...on a bad team at times.

Its rediculous for anyone to say that they would pass on Fitz 3-4 timese before taking him..its absolutely ludacrious to think there are 10+ WRS that should be taken before him. A lot of you may SAY you'd pass on him multiple times in your draft this year but I would really like to see what you'd do when you're sitting there. I know what I would do: A)Invite you into every league I have and B)Laugh you out of the league at the end of the year.

Go ahead and overreact (this has got to be one of the best ones I have seen in years). I hope I can keep from laughing out loud when you pass over Fitz (you know, there's a reason some guys are universally known by one name) and take Victor Cruz..after all, didn't he have a great game last night? Per your logic, that's THE measure of all things to come.

Good grief.

 

[footballnerd]

Looks like Fitz's schedule is paying off early. In my ppr league he has gotten me the following pt totals in the last 4 weeks, and we haven't even gotten to the juicy part of the schedule yet. Seems like things might pay off well for those patient owners

20.2

15.2

14.6

17

coming up next is SF, STL, DEN, CAR, and DAL (4 of the games at home)

 

[Ghost Rider]

Fitz hasn't been great, but in PPR, he has been mostly solid; double digits every week but one, IIRC. And when you consider that he was probably drafted around or right after guys like R. Moss, Austin or Marshall, it is hard to complain too much.

 

[aimlessgun]

Yeah, he has been much less of a bust than many other players. He's no Shonn Greene, Ryan Matthews, Randy Moss, Deangelo Williams...and frankly he's probably been a better value than Marshall, MJD and Ray Rice. Austin Miles and Reggie Wayne have only slightly outproduced him, and those were guys I saw go for very similar dollar amounts in drafts. Hell even Andre Johnson, from a value perspective, isn't that much better.

Basically, it was a good call on Fitz, but he has actually been a serviceable WR and you definitely could have done worse for yourself in the early rounds.

 

[footballnerd]

ya hes basically WR#17 atm in my 0.5 ppr league but I could see him moving into the Top 10 - 12 by the end of the year.

 

[bbuster]

Yeah, he has been much less of a bust than many other players. He's no Shonn Greene, Ryan Matthews, Randy Moss, Deangelo Williams...and frankly he's probably been a better value than Marshall, MJD and Ray Rice. Austin Miles and Reggie Wayne have only slightly outproduced him, and those were guys I saw go for very similar dollar amounts in drafts. Hell even Andre Johnson, from a value perspective, isn't that much better.Basically, it was a good call on Fitz, but he has actually been a serviceable WR and you definitely could have done worse for yourself in the early rounds.

Fitz actually has a few more points than Austin in my PPR league. At this point, I would take Fitz any day over Austin simply because of the consistency. Austin has put up some huge games, but he kills you with the 3-6pt games. Fitz has consistently put up double digits. He only missed once in week 6 against the Giants.

 

[LawFitz]

This thread was a joke from day 1. I could see passing in fitz in early rd 2, but passing on him in rd 3 or 4 was a mistake. He will finish as a top 15 wr again and will do it with more week to week consistency than almost any other wr. That's where he really differentiates himself from the rest.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Early in the season he was killing owners but he has proven solid as of late.

I am kind of baffled why folks would even hint of rubbing it in like he's been studly or something, his numbers from last year are well off. And it's a 13-14 week season in most leagues, we're in week 11. Early on owners were screaming bloody murder about Fitz.

And in non PPR league he has not been as easy a start.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

ya hes basically WR#17 atm in my 0.5 ppr league but I could see him moving into the Top 10 - 12 by the end of the year.

I could see him sliding out of the top20 too.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

ya hes basically WR#17 atm in my 0.5 ppr league but I could see him moving into the Top 10 - 12 by the end of the year.

I could see him sliding out of the top20 too.

C'mon now. While he hasn't been great this year, he's still #17 in non-ppr leagues. And he looks fantastic. Over the last month there have been few wr's better. I don't see how he could fall from the top 20 moving forward.

 

[Touchdown There]

Shouldn't a WR2 be drafted in round 5 or later? I know that I am still shooting for #1s until the 8th or so. If you drafted Fitz in the second, I am not seeing the value.

 

[aimlessgun]

Shouldn't a WR2 be drafted in round 5 or later? I know that I am still shooting for #1s until the 8th or so. If you drafted Fitz in the second, I am not seeing the value.

Think of the other guys you could easily have drafted in the 2nd though...Austin and Wayne have barely been better than Fitz (and in PPR apparently Fitz is ahead of Austin). Then there are the busts: Moss, Greene, Matthews, DeAngelo, Ryan Grant, Brandon Marshall to an extent. Let's face it, most of the 2nd round was junk. Fitz would have been a decent pick compared to most of the land mines in the area.

 

[plyka]

Shouldn't a WR2 be drafted in round 5 or later? I know that I am still shooting for #1s until the 8th or so. If you drafted Fitz in the second, I am not seeing the value.

This post doesn't make any sense to me. A consistent WR2 in the 5th round, are you loco my man? With most players you have variance, especially in football. You never know if your first round pick will end up sucking balls like Deangelo for instance. So if you are assured a WR2, that is worth a lot more than a 5th round. That's top 3 rounds. Guys like Brandon Lloyd show up, undrafted in most leagues, and turn out to be top 3 WRs in the league, while others like Moss, Brandon Marshall, Austin Miles and even Andre Johnson get selected in the first, second or third rounds and end up producing like Waiver Wire fodder. Tell me, going forward into your fantasy playoffs, how many WRs THAT WERE SELECTED IN THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS can you name that you would have over Fitz the rest of the way?Roddy and Calvin, that's it. In my main two leagues, one a redraft while the other a keeper where you keep 6 at no cost, I got the last pick in both leagues. With 12/13 pick, i went Deangelo/Fitz in the redraft and Fitz/Calvin in the keeper. Let's just say that i am extremely happy with Fitz and Calvin in my keeper league. The reason is that you can always select a bust in the first 3 rounds, in fact you are probably likely to select at least 1 if not more busts in the first 3 rounds. When you can pick up a player like Fitz, who you are certain will be a stud for the next 7 years or longer, you make that selection 10 times out of 10. Not simply because you think he will outproduce all other WRs available that year, but because of consistency. It is more than just production, it is about production, consistency and confidence of production. With Fitz, you are confident that he won't be a bust. Despite all the things going against him, the guy still produces EVERY WEEK! His talent is unmatched at the WR spot.If i was selecting in my keeper league again, with all the information i know right now, i would still go Fitz/Calving with my 12/13, despite Roddy White producing more this year. The reason is that I'm more confident in Fitz than i am in Roddy for the next 5-7 years. And his production this year has been solid and also on the upswing as of late.

 

[PahtyTom]

Early in the season he was killing owners but he has proven solid as of late. I am kind of baffled why folks would even hint of rubbing it in like he's been studly or something, his numbers from last year are well off. And it's a 13-14 week season in most leagues, we're in week 11. Early on owners were screaming bloody murder about Fitz.And in non PPR league he has not been as easy a start.

Well your main premise was Fitz would not be good because of Leinart. It's hard to imagine Leinart is worse than DA, who has played worse than any other starting QB in the league. Maybe Leinart is even worse, but I personally doubt it. Regardless, Fitz is still producing pretty well. I'd call this one a draw right now.

 

[Touchdown There]

Shouldn't a WR2 be drafted in round 5 or later? I know that I am still shooting for #1s until the 8th or so. If you drafted Fitz in the second, I am not seeing the value.

This post doesn't make any sense to me. A consistent WR2 in the 5th round, are you loco my man? With most players you have variance, especially in football. You never know if your first round pick will end up sucking balls like Deangelo for instance. So if you are assured a WR2, that is worth a lot more than a 5th round. That's top 3 rounds. Guys like Brandon Lloyd show up, undrafted in most leagues, and turn out to be top 3 WRs in the league, while others like Moss, Brandon Marshall, Austin Miles and even Andre Johnson get selected in the first, second or third rounds and end up producing like Waiver Wire fodder. Tell me, going forward into your fantasy playoffs, how many WRs THAT WERE SELECTED IN THE FIRST 3 ROUNDS can you name that you would have over Fitz the rest of the way?Roddy and Calvin, that's it. In my main two leagues, one a redraft while the other a keeper where you keep 6 at no cost, I got the last pick in both leagues. With 12/13 pick, i went Deangelo/Fitz in the redraft and Fitz/Calvin in the keeper. Let's just say that i am extremely happy with Fitz and Calvin in my keeper league. The reason is that you can always select a bust in the first 3 rounds, in fact you are probably likely to select at least 1 if not more busts in the first 3 rounds. When you can pick up a player like Fitz, who you are certain will be a stud for the next 7 years or longer, you make that selection 10 times out of 10. Not simply because you think he will outproduce all other WRs available that year, but because of consistency. It is more than just production, it is about production, consistency and confidence of production. With Fitz, you are confident that he won't be a bust. Despite all the things going against him, the guy still produces EVERY WEEK! His talent is unmatched at the WR spot.If i was selecting in my keeper league again, with all the information i know right now, i would still go Fitz/Calving with my 12/13, despite Roddy White producing more this year. The reason is that I'm more confident in Fitz than i am in Roddy for the next 5-7 years. And his production this year has been solid and also on the upswing as of late.

Do you make special man love to your Larry Fitzgerald fathead?Seriously, though, my post was about value. If you drafted Fitz in the second round, you are not value drafting. Value drafting is selecting guys who outperform their draft position. The original poster of this thread was correct, IMO. Fitz was not worth an early pick. I leave you with two words: Andre Johnson.

 

[Shutout]

So, here we are entering the most important part of the season and Fitz, in my PPR, is WR#12 and for those of us that believed in him are being rewarded quite nicely. No, he's not the dominant #1 WR as usual this year, but neither is AJ or Randy Moss or the other consensus guys that would have been drafted back in August. Fitz and AJ are actually about identical in my league right now.

In fact, when you go back to the original post and start talking about Avoid this and that, the people that drafted Fitz are actually being rewarded better than most people:

Fitz is WR#12 in my typical PPR. Five of the guys above him are guys NOBODY would have ben thinking of in the top rounds of a draft (Steve johnson, T.O., Brandon Lloyd, Bowe, Wallace) so only 6 of the top WRs are guys that are the typicals.

But look at all the guys we were advised to pick ahead of Fitz that are actually performing much worse than he is. Guys that, if taken, would have cost you a higher pick but yielded worse (and in some cases, FAR worse) results:

Moss, Marshall, Welker, Q, Austin, Colston, DJAX, etc, etc.

Look at the RBs that Fitz is matching or out producing: Dwill, Greene, Matthews, SJAX, Rice, Turner, Benson, etc, etc.

At the end of the day, this thread was a farce. It wasn't ever like it was breaking "new discovery" news by announcing that Fitz minus Warner =a drop in points. That's like saying if Peyton manning goes down, Reggie Wayne might struggle. But to suggest that we all but dismiss him? Rediculous. As some of us said in the beginning, Fitz is Fitz and Fitz is a talent that is steady in this league. Despite the changes in Arizona, the end result is all that matters and that is, simply, as our fantasy teams come down the stretch and make a push for the playoffs, Fitz is a top starting WR in the vast majority of leagues and his draft spot is completely justified. If you took him above anyone except White, Calvin, Wayne, Jennings, and AJ, you are COMPLETELY justified in the result. If you took him after any of the 20 or so guys mentioned above, your a felon and should be arrested.

Kudos to the faithful that didn't buy into the Chicken Little reports. The savvy owners are rewarded with good matchups down down the stretch and likely some good decisions to make in their flex spots (Hmm...Fitz or Moreno this week?)

 

[urbanhack]

Let's face, Fitz owners have been extremely lucky this year. His point totals through 3 quarters of most of his game have been ####. He's been racking up some late garbage points in the 4th quarter consistently all year. Can this continue? I traded for him a few weeks ago, right before he "broke out." I'm happy with his production, but am very worried when the garbage time points run out.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Early in the season he was killing owners but he has proven solid as of late. I am kind of baffled why folks would even hint of rubbing it in like he's been studly or something, his numbers from last year are well off. And it's a 13-14 week season in most leagues, we're in week 11. Early on owners were screaming bloody murder about Fitz.And in non PPR league he has not been as easy a start.

Well your main premise was Fitz would not be good because of Leinart. It's hard to imagine Leinart is worse than DA, who has played worse than any other starting QB in the league. Maybe Leinart is even worse, but I personally doubt it. Regardless, Fitz is still producing pretty well. I'd call this one a draw right now.

A 1st round pick that is #17 in non PPR, that's a draw?It's not like I was dunking this thread in anyone's face when Fitz struggled early this year. He's had 4 solid weeks in a row in PPR and folks are wanting to heckle? Makes no sense. Guy was a mid 1st round pick in most drafts in August, let's be honest.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Weekly rankings in PPR format

1-24th

2-22nd

3-39th

4-21st

5-21st

6-Bye

7-Outside of the top50

8-4th

9-17th

10-19th

11-11th

I want to make a couple points here. 1st of all his trade value was in the crapper the 1st half of the season so you drafted him in the 1st or 2nd round and if you could find a partner you likely didn't get great value on the trade. 2nd of all his biggest week came afer a bye week and then a real stinker(3/30). Arizona was in flux and a lot of owners benched him that week. That #4 ranking looks great in week 8 but some owners didn't cash in. You can argue that if you like but look at how fickle the SP is, now magine the 1 million leagues around the country.

I'm happy for those that own him and are enjoying solid production right now, good for you. But the consensus early on was that he was hurting owners and there were numerous posts in here to back that sentiment.

Weeks 1-7 he was 37th overall. Weeks 8-11 he is #6th overall. If owners managed to stay afloat then Fitz is paying off heavily at the moment. The true shark did not draft him but picked him up when he was at his worst. I still would not feel comfortable with what Arizona does on offense. As others have said he mostly gets garbage time stats which is fine but he certainly is not running the same path he has done previously.

Fitz owners in most of my redraft leagues are hovering around .500 or worse. Might be different in some of your leagues but usually taking a WR early means a slight drop off at some other positions.

I appreciate the feedback and the spirit of some of the Fitz owners but let's try and keep from name calling etc...Be happy you're prospering for the moment.

 

[Ghost Rider]

2nd of all his biggest week came afer a bye week and then a real stinker(3/30). Arizona was in flux and a lot of owners benched him that week.

How can you possibly know that? I am deep at WR in the league I have Fitz, I start him every week without hesitation.