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IDP Position Spotlight: Eagles Safeties (1 Viewer)

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One of Footballguys best assets is our message board community. The IDP Forum here has grown quickly over the past few years and is probably the best place on the internet to discuss, debate and analyze all things related to IDPs. In what we hope to make an annual tradition, the IDP Spotlight series will be a key part of our preseason effort this year. As many of you know from what has been done with offensive players over the years, we consider the Player Spotlight threads the permanent record for analyzing the fantasy prospects of the player in question. This year, we hope to publish IDP Spotlights for approximately 20-30 players, which should account for many of the most interesting IDP starters for this year and possibly years to come.

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Thread Topic: Philadelphia Eagles Safeties: Quintin Mikell, Sean Jones, Quintin Demps

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one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.

 
one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.
You'll have to get over that, because all signs point that way.Here is just one:

Unofficial Depth Chart
I'd be careful with that. The depth chart is Spadaro's assumption. He posted that a month or so back that he would update it but its not the Eagles "official " one, just his.Could be (I hate to say this) to motivate Jones and keep him from assuming he's the starter just because they signed him.

Again, I really see no way Demps beats Jones out unless Jones' knee is still tweaked.

 
one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.
You'll have to get over that, because all signs point that way.Here is just one:

Unofficial Depth Chart
I'd be careful with that. The depth chart is Spadaro's assumption. He posted that a month or so back that he would update it but its not the Eagles "official " one, just his.Could be (I hate to say this) to motivate Jones and keep him from assuming he's the starter just because they signed him.

Again, I really see no way Demps beats Jones out unless Jones' knee is still tweaked.
I really don't understand this viewpoint. Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that I have heard, seen and read has said that Demps is ahead of Jones. From OTA reports to coaches comments to beat writers - they all agree that Demps is ahead. It is almost like there's this contingent of NFL fans who WANT Sean Jones to be a starter rather than just observing what is actually going on and taking that at face value.While I do follow Philly closely, I'm not biased at all here. I like all 3 options at safety (plus Victor Macho Harris) and I think Mikell, Jones and Demps combined make a very good safety corps.

Look at what the offseason tells us - Jones was on the market a long, long time and then he couldn't get a big deal. The Eagles got him for a veteran backup price of $3 Million - good value for sure but not necessarily guaranteed starter money.

The best players will always play in Philly, that's just what they do. Sean Jones got a home on a team that is a playoff franchise and he gets a 1-year deal to try and boost his 2010 value if he can make big plays and get meaningful playing time this season.

Both players are likely to see the field quite often (Demps, Jones) as Demps can also be a Dime or even a Nickel corner. Getting 3 safeties with one doing some CB-like coverage is a distinct advantage on third and long. I expect both to see 30-40 plays a game if not more and be on the field together at times - but Demps will be the starter if things don't change between now and opening day.

 
one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.
You'll have to get over that, because all signs point that way.Here is just one:

Unofficial Depth Chart
I'd be careful with that. The depth chart is Spadaro's assumption. He posted that a month or so back that he would update it but its not the Eagles "official " one, just his.Could be (I hate to say this) to motivate Jones and keep him from assuming he's the starter just because they signed him.

Again, I really see no way Demps beats Jones out unless Jones' knee is still tweaked.
I really don't understand this viewpoint. Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that I have heard, seen and read has said that Demps is ahead of Jones. From OTA reports to coaches comments to beat writers - they all agree that Demps is ahead. It is almost like there's this contingent of NFL fans who WANT Sean Jones to be a starter rather than just observing what is actually going on and taking that at face value.While I do follow Philly closely, I'm not biased at all here. I like all 3 options at safety (plus Victor Macho Harris) and I think Mikell, Jones and Demps combined make a very good safety corps.

Look at what the offseason tells us - Jones was on the market a long, long time and then he couldn't get a big deal. The Eagles got him for a veteran backup price of $3 Million - good value for sure but not necessarily guaranteed starter money.
Bingo.A monster year or two on a bad team, then he sits in FA forever, and gets a one-year 'prove it' deal. That was one of the more eyebrow-raising developments in free agency.

There's obviously something in Jones' game that we don't know about, that NFL teams see, and it's a problem.

 
one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.
You'll have to get over that, because all signs point that way.Here is just one:

Unofficial Depth Chart
I'd be careful with that. The depth chart is Spadaro's assumption. He posted that a month or so back that he would update it but its not the Eagles "official " one, just his.Could be (I hate to say this) to motivate Jones and keep him from assuming he's the starter just because they signed him.

Again, I really see no way Demps beats Jones out unless Jones' knee is still tweaked.
I really don't understand this viewpoint. Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that I have heard, seen and read has said that Demps is ahead of Jones. From OTA reports to coaches comments to beat writers - they all agree that Demps is ahead. It is almost like there's this contingent of NFL fans who WANT Sean Jones to be a starter rather than just observing what is actually going on and taking that at face value.While I do follow Philly closely, I'm not biased at all here. I like all 3 options at safety (plus Victor Macho Harris) and I think Mikell, Jones and Demps combined make a very good safety corps.

Look at what the offseason tells us - Jones was on the market a long, long time and then he couldn't get a big deal. The Eagles got him for a veteran backup price of $3 Million - good value for sure but not necessarily guaranteed starter money.

The best players will always play in Philly, that's just what they do. Sean Jones got a home on a team that is a playoff franchise and he gets a 1-year deal to try and boost his 2010 value if he can make big plays and get meaningful playing time this season.

Both players are likely to see the field quite often (Demps, Jones) as Demps can also be a Dime or even a Nickel corner. Getting 3 safeties with one doing some CB-like coverage is a distinct advantage on third and long. I expect both to see 30-40 plays a game if not more and be on the field together at times - but Demps will be the starter if things don't change between now and opening day.
This is why i'm confident that by week 1 Sean Jones will be a starting safety, at the expense of Quentin Demps. If not by week 1, i would be very surprised if Jones isn't starting for a significant majority of the season.Sean Jones was ranked better coming out of high school, ranked better coming out of college, has NFL experience, has produced good/very good numbers throughout his 4 year NFL career, is a proven above average safety in the NFL.

I have a hard time seeing that player coming off the bench for a 4th round pick 2nd year safety who made 18 tackles in his rookie season. The only advantage that Demps has over Jones that is obvious to me is that he has a better handle on the playbook. Once that advantage decreases in disparity, i think it will be Jones' job.

 
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Jeff Pasquino said:
Zoomanji said:
one thing that i don't understand is the notion that Sean Jones won't be starting by week 1. I would be shocked if Sean Jones sits for Quentin Demps.
You'll have to get over that, because all signs point that way.Here is just one:

Unofficial Depth Chart
I'd be careful with that. The depth chart is Spadaro's assumption. He posted that a month or so back that he would update it but its not the Eagles "official " one, just his.Could be (I hate to say this) to motivate Jones and keep him from assuming he's the starter just because they signed him.

Again, I really see no way Demps beats Jones out unless Jones' knee is still tweaked.
I really don't understand this viewpoint. Everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that I have heard, seen and read has said that Demps is ahead of Jones. From OTA reports to coaches comments to beat writers - they all agree that Demps is ahead. It is almost like there's this contingent of NFL fans who WANT Sean Jones to be a starter rather than just observing what is actually going on and taking that at face value.While I do follow Philly closely, I'm not biased at all here. I like all 3 options at safety (plus Victor Macho Harris) and I think Mikell, Jones and Demps combined make a very good safety corps.

Look at what the offseason tells us - Jones was on the market a long, long time and then he couldn't get a big deal. The Eagles got him for a veteran backup price of $3 Million - good value for sure but not necessarily guaranteed starter money.

The best players will always play in Philly, that's just what they do. Sean Jones got a home on a team that is a playoff franchise and he gets a 1-year deal to try and boost his 2010 value if he can make big plays and get meaningful playing time this season.

Both players are likely to see the field quite often (Demps, Jones) as Demps can also be a Dime or even a Nickel corner. Getting 3 safeties with one doing some CB-like coverage is a distinct advantage on third and long. I expect both to see 30-40 plays a game if not more and be on the field together at times - but Demps will be the starter if things don't change between now and opening day.
All Sean Jones owners need to be patient. With all due respect to Jeff, Demps should be ahead of Jones after OTAs, minicamp and going into training camp, his speed, athleticism and experience in the system surely makes him look superioir in shorts. If Jones is going to win the starting gig, it will be when the pads come on in training camp and pre season. I'm one of those who feel Jones will win out at some point. My reasoning... experience and Jones should give the Eagles more flexability to interchange their safeties, something they like to do, or at least did like to do. We'll see what happens, this will be fun to watch.
 
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Not to state the obvious here, but numbers mean jack. I used to have Roy Williams (DAL, S) and Michael Lewis (PHI, S) on my idp squad and they were consistently ranked in the top 10-15 DBs in the league (fantasy-wise). But obviously both had issues in their game that caused them to be shown the door.

I agree with Jeff here - everything I've read (that includes media, blogs, and homer message boards) indicate that Demps is ahead of Jones. I'd be mildly suprised if Jones actually starts the season.

 

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