IDP Spotlight: Andre Carter (Group 3) (1 Viewer)

[Aaron Rudnicki]

2008 IDP Spotlight Series

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Thread Topic: Andre Carter, DE, Washington Redskins

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[Jayrod]

Andre Carter is in the coveted every down 4-3 DE role. Ideal situation for a defensive lineman to put up fantasy numbers. Last season he cracked the top 10 for the first time since 2002 and should be more than capable of doing it again this year.

Plus his father, Rubin Carter, was a D-tackle for the Broncos, so he has some pedigree, which is irrelevant but nice.

Something along the lines of 50 solos, 12 assts, 10 sacks, 3 FF & 1 FR is well within his reach.

 

[T Bell]

They haven't done much to change the line from last year. I like the Erasmus James acquisition, and if it turns out to be a home run maybe that takes some attention away from Carter which might give him a bump, but how good can James be at this point?

The scheme is the same but simpler, and the offense probably can't be any worse than last year's, though the passing game is revamped, so the defense probably won't find itself with more leads that will allow Carter to pin his ears back and rush. I think his stats resemble last year's stats all in all:

10.5 sacks

43 tckl/12 asst

2 PD

4 FF

1 FR

 

[bcr8f]

The last 6 games he had 16 tackles, 4 assists and 4 sacks. If he could do that all year it would work out to 64t, 10a and 10 1/5 sacks.

That would be top 5 if he can do it. That's my prediction-

64

10

10.5 sacks

5 PD

4 FF

 

[T Bell]

The last 6 games he had 16 tackles, 4 assists and 4 sacks. If he could do that all year it would work out to 64t, 10a and 10 1/5 sacks. That would be top 5 if he can do it. That's my prediction-641010.5 sacks5 PD4 FF

Do you really think he and the team can match what they did to finish the year all year long? I have my (strong) doubts about that.

 

[bcr8f]

The last 6 games he had 16 tackles, 4 assists and 4 sacks. If he could do that all year it would work out to 64t, 10a and 10 1/5 sacks. That would be top 5 if he can do it. That's my prediction-641010.5 sacks5 PD4 FF

Do you really think he and the team can match what they did to finish the year all year long? I have my (strong) doubts about that.

It's easier to discount what players do the first 6 weeks than the last. Can he do that consistently? I don't know. But with Blache taking over as DC this year I think he will be used more. I'm glad you doubt him. That will make it easier to draft him. In a current draft he was the 16th DE taken. I like him there.

 

[T Bell]

The last 6 games he had 16 tackles, 4 assists and 4 sacks. If he could do that all year it would work out to 64t, 10a and 10 1/5 sacks.

That would be top 5 if he can do it. That's my prediction-

64

10

10.5 sacks

5 PD

4 FF

Do you really think he and the team can match what they did to finish the year all year long? I have my (strong) doubts about that.

It's easier to discount what players do the first 6 weeks than the last. Can he do that consistently? I don't know. But with Blache taking over as DC this year I think he will be used more. I'm glad you doubt him. That will make it easier to draft him. In a current draft he was the 16th DE taken. I like him there.

I think you misread me. I have him on one dynasty team and I've projected him to essentially repeat his year-end stats from last year, when he finished 10th. I agree he's a steal as DE16. I just don't think that he'll perform at the clip he ended the year last year, which would, as you said, put him into elite status at top 5.

 

[bcr8f]

I think you misread me. I have him on one dynasty team and I've projected him to essentially repeat his year-end stats from last year, when he finished 10th. I agree he's a steal as DE16. I just don't think that he'll perform at the clip he ended the year last year, which would, as you said, put him into elite status at top 5.

OK. With a slightly new defense(and d line coach as coordinator) we'll see. Time will tell.

 

[J Andersson]

I truly like Carter as a somewhat underrated DL # 2 on my teams (given a starting roster of 2 DLs) I wouldn't rate him as top 5 DL but definitely a certain top 20 guy with upside.

Predictions often turn out to be god awful and are terribly hard to do but for the sake of argument:

55 tackles

10 assists

9.5 sacks

3 PD's

3 FF's

1 FR'ed

 

[bcr8f]

I truly like Carter as a somewhat underrated DL # 2 on my teams (given a starting roster of 2 DLs) I wouldn't rate him as top 5 DL but definitely a certain top 20 guy with upside.Predictions often turn out to be god awful and are terribly hard to do but for the sake of argument:55 tackles10 assists9.5 sacks3 PD's 3 FF's1 FR'ed

I think he will improve and mav be top 5 but wouldn't draft him there. In current dynasty draft this is where he went(16)3.03 35. Winnebago Derby Domes Allen, Jared MIN DE 5.10 74. NY/NJ MetroStars Williams, Mario HOU DE Fri Jun 13 8:43:07 p.m. ET 20086.08 88. Hangtown Heroes Umenyiora, Osi NYG DE Sun Jun 15 2:28:00 p.m. ET 2008 6.10 90. Should've had the vasectomy sooner Kampman, Aaron GBP DE Sun Jun 15 7:58:36 p.m. ET 20086.11 91. I.D.P Freeley in New Jersey Suggs, Terrell BAL DE Sun Jun 15 7:58:36 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List6.12 92. Scottsdale Scouting Sundevils Tuck, Justin NYG DE Sun Jun 15 10:45:30 p.m. ET 20087.04 100. San Diego Silver Surfers Kerney, Patrick SEA DE Mon Jun 16 7:00:44 a.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.09 105. Hangtown Heroes Cole, Trent PHI DE Mon Jun 16 1:31:24 p.m. ET 2008 Umenyiora/Cole will be a lethal combo at DE.7.12 108. Masked Burglars of Uranus Peppers, Julius CAR DE Mon Jun 16 2:18:40 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List7.16 112. Phoenix Force Smith, Will NOS DE Mon Jun 16 3:36:06 p.m. ET 20088.06 118. New York Chowder Vanden Bosch, Kyle TEN DE Mon Jun 16 4:37:46 p.m. ET 20089.04 132. San Diego Silver Surfers Taylor, Jason MIA DE Mon Jun 16 10:15:12 p.m. ET 2008 Pick made based on Pre-Draft List9.08 136. Brooklyn Ball Busters Ogunleye, Adewale CHI DE Tue Jun 17 1:19:37 a.m. ET 20089.12 140. Masked Burglars of Uranus Schobel, Aaron BUF DE Tue Jun 17 1:10:42 p.m. ET 200810.09 153. Brooklyn Ball Busters Smith, Justin SFO DE Tue Jun 17 3:03:27 p.m. ET 2008 Commish pick via text from BrooklynRob10.16 160. Lake Superior Ojibwa Carter, Andre WAS DE Tue Jun 17 4:52:18 p.m. ET 2008

 

[J Andersson]

I truly like Carter as a somewhat underrated DL # 2 on my teams (given a starting roster of 2 DLs) I wouldn't rate him as top 5 DL but definitely a certain top 20 guy with upside.Predictions often turn out to be god awful and are terribly hard to do but for the sake of argument:55 tackles10 assists9.5 sacks3 PD's 3 FF's1 FR'ed

I think he will improve and mav be top 5 but wouldn't draft him there.

Well, I was merely referring to him as a potentially good # 2 DL on my roster in a 16-man-league (and not as the # 2 DL in a draft). That would mean he would be drafted somewhere in the vicinity of from 17 to 32 of DLs in a complete re-draft.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Year-to-year Andre Carter is more up and down then Jenna Jamison.

Hard for me to guage him after so many volatile campaigns.

Ignoring '04 when he played only 7 games he has played a full slate every year and responded with sack totals of 6.5, 12.5, 6.5, 4.5, 6, 12.5. Egads.

I would like to think as the RDE and primary pass rusher for Washington that Carter will again be as productive as he was last year. Certainly the Redskins will be a comptetive team week in and week out.

I expect a little regression as I dont see him as an elite rusher who will chalk up 15 sacks.

Though he could be about the same as last year... but in the NFL if your not getting better, your getting worse.

Tackles: 44

Assists: 8

Sacks: 8.5

 

[T Bell]

Year-to-year Andre Carter is more up and down then Jenna Jamison.

Hard for me to guage him after so many volatile campaigns.

Ignoring '04 when he played only 7 games he has played a full slate every year and responded with sack totals of 6.5, 12.5, 6.5, 4.5, 6, 12.5. Egads.

I would like to think as the RDE and primary pass rusher for Washington that Carter will again be as productive as he was last year. Certainly the Redskins will be a comptetive team week in and week out.

I expect a little regression as I dont see him as an elite rusher who will chalk up 15 sacks.

Though he could be about the same as last year... but in the NFL if your not getting better, your getting worse.

Tackles: 44

Assists: 8

Sacks: 8.5

Keep in mind when looking at Carter's history that he got switched for a couple of years in SF to a 3-4 ROLB, which was a very poor fit for him. Also, his modest sack total in 2006 was related in part to a huge number of defensive injuries and resulting scheme adjustments the team was forced to make. I'm not making excuses for him, nor do I think he's an elite pass rusher, but last year's numbers are less inflated with those considerations in mind.

 

[T Bell]

They haven't done much to change the line from last year. I like the Erasmus James acquisition, and if it turns out to be a home run maybe that takes some attention away from Carter which might give him a bump, but how good can James be at this point? The scheme is the same but simpler, and the offense probably can't be any worse than last year's, though the passing game is revamped, so the defense probably won't find itself with more leads that will allow Carter to pin his ears back and rush. I think his stats resemble last year's stats all in all:10.5 sacks43 tckl/12 asst2 PD4 FF1 FR

This is going to be interesting with Taylor there now. I'm inclined in theory to add a sack or two to my projections, but to not change the tackle numbers much if at all. Trouble is, I'm wondering whether Carter really can generate a dozen sacks. I'm just not sure at this point.

 

[T Bell]

On the next possession, the Bills went three-and-out.

Neither of those things are earth-shattering. Defenses are supposed to do such things.

But the Redskins kept the Bills out of the end zone on that first possession with Shawn Springs, their best cornerback, playing free safety.

And they got that three-and-out with Andre Carter moving from right defensive end to left defensive end and Jason Taylor moving from left to right. Carter has been at right defensive end for the past 33 games.

"That's something we've been working on at practice," Carter said. "It's a nice changeup, and it makes you a better all-around player. If you can play both sides, it keeps the offensive opponents guessing.

"If a tackle has to prepare for two opponents, it makes his job a lot tougher."

Taylor arrived at Redskins training camp July 21 after spending the previous 11 seasons with the Miami Dolphins. He also had spent most of his time in Miami at right defensive end.

Carter had 10 ½ sacks last season and is one of the team's most diligent workers. When Taylor was acquired, the polite thing to say was that Taylor would start out on the left side.

But when you are one of the best pass rushers in NFL history -- Taylor has 117 career sacks -- it is only a matter of time before your new team finds a way to put you where you are most effective.

The underlying feeling was that Carter would struggle if he moved to the left side. That was not the case last night.

Carter's time at left end was brief, but it was effective. He held his ground and even knocked down a pass on a third down play.

"I felt good," Carter said. "It's a matter of equilibrium. If you stay on a certain side for a long period of time, the muscle groups and everything like that get used to reacting in a certain way.

"When you flip, you've got to train your eyes and train your body. It's all about movement. It's about getting your reps in practice and being comfortable and not thinking about what you're doing and just letting loose."

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